Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[GuntherL1]

Only a full alien mutant Pogi can take on Jonas version 2.5.

Vingegaard has never beaten a top fit Pogacar 1v1. That's a myth.

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard has never beaten a top fit Pogacar 1v1. That's a myth.

It's the opposite, including 2021.

 

[peterfin]

A top fit Vingegaard owns Pogacar. Skeletor needs to break his bones and damage his lungs to give Pogacar his moment to shine.

 

[snipeheem]

It's the opposite, including 2021.

U mean 2v1 with Roglic and the whole Visma dream team

 

[Froome]

U mean 2v1 with Roglic and the whole Visma dream team

Roglic also helped Vingegaard in the last ITT.

 

[ppanther92]

Will Remco turn to the Dark side or drown his ambitions in a pot of B&J?

What do you mean with “will… turn”?

 

[ManicJack]

This is absolute bs for cycling in whole. Makes me sad for the state of the sport. UAE has UCI in their pocket too, the new sponsor deals only made it more clear.

What did I miss?

 

[Pannenkooky]

Has anyone translated this article yet? If no I can https://www.radiofrance.fr/francein...rets-d-info-du-samedi-26-octobre-2024-2351786 I'd be happy to
it's linked in this https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...t-be-behind-tadej-pogacars-great-performances

 

[SHAD0W93]

Roglic also helped Vingegaard in the last ITT.

There’s a difference though when one just has to ride defensively with a far superior team while the other attacks.

 

[Stablo]

What did I miss?

It was this article that was linked by @peterfin

'It builds bridges and brings many opportunities': UCI announces deep partnership with the UAE for years to come

UCI welcomes MyWhoosh as main virtual cycling partner while the UAE gears up to host various world championship events

www.cyclingweekly.com

Seems a bit too much, that the shadiest team is also a major sponsor of cyclings governing body.

 

[Ripper]

It was this article that was linked by @peterfin

'It builds bridges and brings many opportunities': UCI announces deep partnership with the UAE for years to come

UCI welcomes MyWhoosh as main virtual cycling partner while the UAE gears up to host various world championship events

www.cyclingweekly.com

Seems a bit too much, that the shadiest team is also a major sponsor of cyclings governing body.

It's hiding in plain sight. Totally legal, and obviously dodgy.

So many pro sports are ultra corrupt at the top. I mean ... IOC? FIFA? The latter is so obviously problematic and yet seems almost untouchable. Truly crazy stuff.

 

[Extinction]

It's hiding in plain sight. Totally legal, and obviously dodgy.

So many pro sports are ultra corrupt at the top. I mean ... IOC? FIFA? The latter is so obviously problematic and yet seems almost untouchable. Truly crazy stuff.

This is the end, my friend, the end, my friend, my friend....ohhh yeaaah!

 

[Extinction]

To quote Oldmanish in the Pogacar pro racing thread: "That critics of Pogacar cite Jonas' breakthrough wattage metrics to confirm some illicit supplementation by Tadej is pure BS".

Well, do you believe this says nothing and that Pogacar is clean?

At any rate, now we read UAE, a state backed team, is going to pay him 8 million euros per year until 2030. The UCI receives money from UAE, in an appalling conflict of interests that knows no shame. Like I said, this is what happens when you allow a Gianetti to have unlimited access to sport-washing petrol dollars. "On my word, unleash hell".

 

[Nick2413]

To quote Oldmanish in the Pogacar pro racing thread: "That critics of Pogacar cite Jonas' breakthrough wattage metrics to confirm some illicit supplementation by Tadej is pure BS".

Well, do you believe this says nothing and that Pogacar is clean?

At any rate, now we read UAE, a state backed team, is going to pay him 8 million euros per year until 2030. The UCI receives money from UAE, in an appalling conflict of interests that knows no shame. Like I said, this is what happens when you allow a Gianetti to have unlimited access to sport-washing petrol dollars. "On my word, unleash hell".

Are we really to assume Gianetti is the mastermind behind all the doping advancements of the last handful of years? He’s just one small piece imo.

 

[pastronef]

At any rate, now we read UAE, a state backed team, is going to pay him 8 million euros per year until 2030. The UCI receives money from UAE, in an appalling conflict of interests that knows no shame. Like I said, this is what happens when you allow a Gianetti to have unlimited access to sport-washing petrol dollars. "On my word, unleash hell".

how do the Emirates pay UCI? through Whoosh?

 

[Barkintheeye]

Are we really to assume Gianetti is the mastermind behind all the doping advancements of the last handful of years? He’s just one small piece imo.

He's surely not alone but a Dr Strangelove / John von Neumann can cause a great deal of havoc if unleashed.

I'm really looking forward to Visma's countermove. Would be hilarious with an upgraded 3.0 VingoAI-terminator-bot that goes uphill at 9.9W/kg backed by an anonymous web account at CN claiming motor-pacing / double-a-day FTP sessions / continous lactate sampling / shorter cranks / and whatever...

 

[Extinction]

how do the Emirates pay UCI? through Whoops?

This was posted up thread: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...ep-partnership-with-the-uae-for-years-to-come

 

[Extinction]

Are we really to assume Gianetti is the mastermind behind all the doping advancements of the last handful of years? He’s just one small piece imo.

Somebody is always ahead in the arms race. Give a guy like Gianetti all that money and he will get ahead.

 

[Extinction]

Not even Greg Lemond questions anything, so he must be totally legit.😇

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5mbEUTk8qA67dozOLrWWSK?si=sA7BL3XhRyC7e_TRT1nVAw&t=661

 

[Pannenkooky]

So, if Pogi produces more "unhuman" results at next year's super hard TDF, do you think UCI will have to cave and launch a doping investigation? With Pogi, it's becoming increasingly obvious something is not normal, and you can't chalk it up to super calculated clever team tactics--when he attacks he just goes by himself, sometimes making his teammates work harder than others think they should, like this year's TDF stage 11. How long before he *really* gets investigated?

 

[Nick2413]

So, if Pogi produces more "unhuman" results at next year's super hard TDF, do you think UCI will have to cave and launch a doping investigation?

Yes, on Miguel Angel Lopez some random Latin American rider with a couple .pro wins.

 

[ManicJack]

So, if Pogi produces more "unhuman" results at next year's super hard TDF, do you think UCI will have to cave and launch a doping investigation? With Pogi, it's becoming increasingly obvious something is not normal, and you can't chalk it up to super calculated clever team tactics--when he attacks he just goes by himself, sometimes making his teammates work harder than others think they should, like this year's TDF stage 11. How long before he *really* gets investigated?

Based on what exactly?

 

[Cookster15]

So, if Pogi produces more "unhuman" results at next year's super hard TDF, do you think UCI will have to cave and launch a doping investigation? With Pogi, it's becoming increasingly obvious something is not normal, and you can't chalk it up to super calculated clever team tactics--when he attacks he just goes by himself, sometimes making his teammates work harder than others think they should, like this year's TDF stage 11. How long before he *really* gets investigated?

It is spelt “inhuman”.

Launch a doping investigation? What are the existing doping controls for then?

In fact, I am pretty sure Pogacar gets tested more because he wins more? So you are claiming the UCI don’t test him or are not tracking his blood profiles? Please come up with something concrete else this is as bad as the motor doping nonsense.

 

[ppanther92]

So, if Pogi produces more "unhuman" results at next year's super hard TDF, do you think UCI will have to cave and launch a doping investigation? With Pogi, it's becoming increasingly obvious something is not normal, and you can't chalk it up to super calculated clever team tactics--when he attacks he just goes by himself, sometimes making his teammates work harder than others think they should, like this year's TDF stage 11. How long before he *really* gets investigated?

You sound like Armstrong calling Verbruggen - “hey, this Mayo gut set a new record on Ventoux at Dauphine. Thats not normal. Do something.”

The automatic procedure for increased testing if you win a lot is anyway in place through mandatory tests for race winners.

 

[romanzat]

Some fishy Pogi's situation, when 1+1 isn't 2:
- TDF 2020 ITT LPDBF: 1:21 ahead of 2nd, he had no watt meter on TT bike
- ITT TA 2022: Pogi averaging 320 W and been in the red zone for 2 % total time. Ganna averaging 530 W and been in the red zone 86 % of total time. Ganna was 2nd, Pogi 3rd only 7 sec behind Ganna (found on reddit)
- most stage wins in Giro 2024 and TDF 2024: no signs od fatigure whatsoever despite breaking all the records
- TDF 2024: constatly you could see around 30 % less calories burned during mountain stages than his main rivals
- Lombardia 2024: Remco had same watts as Pogi in the valley after last climb, but he gained 2 minutes over Remco. This is from cyclinguptodate: Although Evenepoel was a clear second, finishing well ahead of the race for 3rd, the Soudal - Quick-Step leader was in turn, clearly distanced by Pogacar by the time the finish line arrived. "There was about an Instagram post by Velon with his average wattage of the last hour and a half. That couldn't be right, because I had the same wattage and was three minutes behind. So I sent him: I want to know what you really pedalled," recalls Evenepoel. "Tadej didn't tell me