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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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Doesn't the mod censor pretty obvious false statements here?

UK Sport is the government agency responsible for investing money sourced from the National Lottery and the government, into Olympic and Paralympic sport in the United Kingdom.[1][2] It is an executive non-departmental public body sponsored by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport.

 
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My thought is that with all the high-profile busts in the early 2010s, the guys somehow got cleanish or didn't go too extreme.

With the British UCI presidency and eventually the WADA presidency, the guys were kept on a very short leash while Sky was allowed to do all sorts of dirty things that helped them win races with less talented British riders.

Something similar has happened in athletics, where the British government has installed its man as IAAF president to ensure that "British interests are protected".

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What later turned out to be in the British interest was that Paula Radcliffe's blood should not be tested again, and that the mediocre British long distance runner Mo Farah should not be busted after which he magically became a world-beater approaching his thirties.

With the French UCI presidency, other teams have probably been emboldened and have also started to move into or across grey areas. Which led to Sky/INEOS slowly losing its advantage.... and again, I'm not saying Pog or any of them are clean these days, just the situation is not as extreme as many people try to make it out to be.

This theory may not be correct, but then I would like to hear people's explanation about Froome. How is it possible that a talentless rider at the age of 26 with zero wins and never even close to winning has improved so much overnight that he enters the GT GOAT conversation? While his opponents are all moving backwards in performance..

As for the quality or scouting of talent in the current era. Just look at the 4 most successful GT drivers at the moment:
  • 19yo Pogacar rides for a small Slovenian CT team, do you think 30 years ago the next step for him would have been to ride for the richest team in cycling? Of course not, and it would probably never have reached its full potential.
  • Vingegaard in his early 20's in the modest Danish CT team, do you think 30 years ago one of the most successful teams would have discovered that with help and professionalism this guy could have a lot?
  • Remco did a completely different sport to cycling until he was 17.
  • Roglic is even more incredible how he became a cyclist...
30 years ago maybe none of these 4 guys would have been professional cyclists.
First of all "government" can mean more than one things: According to the Cambridge dictionary it can mean (depending on context)
the group of people who officially control a country
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the system used for controlling a country, city, or group of people (also known as machinery of government)
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the activities involved in controlling a country, city, group of people
It is clear that in the above post you are referring to the british government as a group of people, the implication being that the british government actively promoted Cookson much like it promoted Coe. This is incorrect as it was pointed out to you. Once it was pointed out to you you claimed that UK sport is the British Government (below)
Who's counting the pittance of £120,000 that the British government spent on Cookson's presidential campaign?


View: https://x.com/SportsOrla/status/383515567438962688


A £120,000 bribe is about 6 votes. Exactly what he needed to beat his opponent in a close vote who wasn't even supported by his own country :tearsofjoy:
UK sport however, is an executive non-departmental public body (NDPB) it belongs to the machinery or system of government, it operates at arms-length from the elected government with independent board and executives. There are close to 300 ALBs (Arms Length bodies in the UK), public bodies that deliver public services. Therefore, your argument that the british government actively promoted Cookson is factually incorrect (and according to your logic the moderator should have deleted it). If you find it abhorrent or at least strange that UK sport funded his campaign, Lappartient too had the backing of the FFC (and of the ASO, perhaps more importantly). So it's not uncommon, in fact it's the norm. Nothing to see here...

I asked you more than once how is Coe relevant to cycling. You deflected without addressing the question something that from what I've seen is a tactic of yours along with marginally (or not so marginally) shifting your position when challenged claiming that "you don't understand my point" then making a different one.
Regarding Froome. His FTP was 6/1-6.4 W/kg and his peak power output was 7.5 W/kg. Both of those values were nowhere near close to the values produced over the past 4 years by a multitude of athletes. If you claim that Froome was a fraud or suspect I can only guess how enraged you must be by all of those that eclipsed him.
 
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So now Pogacar will change the script in 2025, winning too much creates enemies and envy. Who would ever have thought it? Can't wait to see domestique Pog next year, wink, wink. Read between the lines: Gianetti-Matxin: "We gotta tone it down a bit or you're screwed".

If it weren't so comical, it would be tragic.

 
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So now Pogacar will change the script 2025, winning too much creates enemies and envy. Who would ever have thought it? Can't wait to see domestique Pog next year, wink, wink. Read between the lines: Gianetti-Matxin: "We gotta tone it down a bit or you're screwed".

If it weren't so comical, it would be tragic.


Teddy needs a spectacular loss to be loved by everyone again (except Van Baarle maybe). "I'm gone I'm dead" on Loze would do even if he wins MSR, Flandres, Liege, Lombardy, Vuelta and WC in 2025 :p
 
To discover any potential corruption between UAE and official sports bodies, the financial flows should be unmasked. I wonder what agreements are in place? They have a deep partnership. https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...ep-partnership-with-the-uae-for-years-to-come
I found this part of the January article pretty comical until I read Pog (and even ole Sagan) will actually be attending the UCI Esport World Championships in Abu Dhabi this weekend. Follow the money...

Plus two wildcards per gender, alludes Lappartient: "It would be interesting to see a rider like Tadej Pogacar compete against indoor specialists in the 2024 UCI Cycling Esports World Championships here in Abu Dhabi."

 
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I found this part of the January article pretty comical until I read Pog (and even ole Sagan) will actually be attending the UCI Esport World Championships in Dubai this weekend. Follow the money...

Plus two wildcards per gender, alludes Lappartient: "It would be interesting to see a rider like Tadej Pogacar compete against indoor specialists in the 2024 UCI Cycling Esports World Championships here in Abu Dhabi."

Pog and Sagan not on the start list - https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7g.../24_CEWC_Final_Men___Women_Start_List__1_.pdf

So I guess they're just visiting the event to pose on social media, as these are the two most followed road cyclists. Otherwise people might never have heard about this event.
 
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Yes, they'll just be attending and not competing... how did they drag Sagan away from running his resort in Slovakia? Money must have been good...
If you take a look at his instagram profile, you will see that he has become an Instagram influencer for low-level racing. So don't be surprised if he turns up at this Esport event, as drunken nights in Monaco don't pay for themselves.
 
So now Pogacar will change the script in 2025, winning too much creates enemies and envy. Who would ever have thought it? Can't wait to see domestique Pog next year, wink, wink. Read between the lines: Gianetti-Matxin: "We gotta tone it down a bit or you're screwed".

If it weren't so comical, it would be tragic.

I think it's mostly an internal issue, it's hard to keep so many stars motivated throughout the year if they know that they'll only be asked to do domestique duties. At some point they'll look elsewhere.
 
If you take a look at his instagram profile, you will see that he has become an Instagram influencer for low-level racing. So don't be surprised if he turns up at this Esport event, as drunken nights in Monaco don't pay for themselves.
Ah, I don't follow any riders (or any celebrities) on social media because social media just isn't my thang, so I wasn't aware Sagan was involved in low-level races. I'd understand if he needed the money if his resort wasn't doing too well...

I would consider watching the Esport championship if Pog and Sagan were actually competing, I think it would be amusing. But seeing as they'll be there just for some photo ops I'll merrily skip it.
 
I think it's mostly an internal issue, it's hard to keep so many stars motivated throughout the year if they know that they'll only be asked to do domestique duties. At some point they'll look elsewhere.
They will only look elsewhere if someone is willing to pay them more money. Mega-budget teams are supposed to prevent that from happening, until they can't do the job anymore and then nobody wants them anyway.
 
Allowing Gianetti to access unlimited sport washing petrol dollars was a really bad idea.
Sounds like UAE has Pog firmly by the balls and he's more than happy with it, do they expect him to produce seasons like this year's to repeat for another six years? Do they expect him to get even better? Does he think, with the aid of Gianetti, he can? Inquiring minds want to know!

Btw., I want my only halfway mutant Pogi back, I fear as long as he's with UAE and Gianetti this won't happen because he'll be a full-on mutant and then some! :sob:
 
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Sounds like UAE has Pog firmly by the balls and he's more than happy with it, do they expect him to produce seasons like this year's to repeat for another six years? Do they expect him to get even better? Does he think, with the aid of Gianetti, he can? Inquiring minds want to know!

Btw., I want my only halfway mutant Pogi back, I fear as long as he's with UAE and Gianetti this won't happen because he'll be a full-on mutant and then some! :sob:
If he is indeed the new Merckx, then yes, but in the modern sport of advanced doping no. You, to quote Jack Daniels, can't handle the Truth! Joker sardonic smile.
 
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Allowing Gianetti to access unlimited sport washing petrol dollars was a really bad idea.
This is absolute bs for cycling in whole. Makes me sad for the state of the sport. UAE has UCI in their pocket too, the new sponsor deals only made it more clear. So the shitshow is propably just going to continue. Can't see who or how will they put a stop to this. Im still annoyed and baffled why are so many buying this Gianetti and petro dollars show.
Well was pleased for the comments and the amount of likes they got under that GCN white washing video, lol. More and more people are at least starting to ask questions and get annoyed about the state of affairs.
 
Sounds like UAE has Pog firmly by the balls and he's more than happy with it, do they expect him to produce seasons like this year's to repeat for another six years? Do they expect him to get even better? Does he think, with the aid of Gianetti, he can? Inquiring minds want to know!

Btw., I want my only halfway mutant Pogi back, I fear as long as he's with UAE and Gianetti this won't happen because he'll be a full-on mutant and then some! :sob:
Only a full alien mutant Pogi can take on Jonas version 2.5.
 
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