Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[aphronesis]

Sure there is, but when it's inconvenient you can always just raise the bar for what passes as evidence.

Also that.

Which also depends on the relative stake.

 

[red_flanders]

That's my point

I was trying to support your point.

I think the language is where the hangup is happening.

• "I don't believe Lemond about his V02 max", might sound to some like you believe Lemond to be lying, but this isn't a claim I see you making.
• "I'm unconvinced by Lemond's unsupported claims about his V02 max" is probably more accurate to what you're saying, which is simply that Lemond hasn't provided enough evidence for you to be convinced of his claim.
• "Lemond is lying about his V02 max" would be its own, very different claim which would need to be supported. Not what I read you as saying.

 

[aphronesis]

Maybe when he retired there was no evidence to denounce Indurain. There was no hematocrit restriction, no EPO test. It could have also been too close to his retirement to internslise and react to the "new culture." Perhaps Greg, after the shell shock, took umbrage with someone who was stealing his throne, as the greatest American cyclists, who he knew was massively enhanced with Ferrari and did not have his natural physiologcal gifts. It's normal.

“Perhaps Greg, after the shell shock, took umbrage with someone who was stealing his throne, as the greatest American cyclist, who he knew was massively enhanced with Ferrari”

Without question. But all the rest could just as easily be a means of branding at a moment when US cycling moved from obscurity to a more general consciousness.

 

[red_flanders]

Indurain didn't personally and financially attack Lemond, and run his bike brand out of business. So a very different reaction.

Occam's razor and all that.