I have a feeling you are completely missing the point of what i'm saying. I'm not saying everybody is riding clean(z). I'm not saying Pogacar, Evenepoel, van der Poel, van Aert are definitely riding clean(z). My opinion regarding hypocrites was not towards people wanting to know what's happening and being skeptical. That's not what i'm saying and that's completely besides the point that i've been making.I welcome you to our dwelling. Now you can never leave.
Really the pretense that cycling is cleanz just because you like a current rider is much more magical thinking than a scepticism fed by decades of cycling history. If wanting to engage in an open minded discussion about the whats, whys and how of doping makes one a hypocritic dweller, thats your problem.
Or maybe I should just be really sorry I don't believe in miracles.
It is however hypocritical for the "clinic" subforum as a community and some of its frontrunners, to single out certain riders, point fingers at certain riders based on little more than gut feelings, while completely ignoring other riders. I don't defend a rider because i like him, i do think the opposite happens here all the time.
Please explain to me, where people could be defending Bernal at all costs, if he doesn't have a clinic thread to begin with, and if clinic talk isn't allowed in the general forum. How does that work exactly, Rick? Youngest TDF winner in half a century, but apparently you (and many others here) don't seem to think that's suspicious. But let's talk about doping because we don't trust what we're seeing? Give me a break. And if people do find it suspicious, then why hasn't there been a thread for ages? Evenepoel got one because he became JUNIOR world champ. See, it's completely the other way around, people will make accusations and point fingers about riders they don't like. This is why i'm saying many people here are posting with an agenda (and being hypocrites). And when people are posting with an agenda, they will not go for an honest discussion and they will try to steer the narrative. You said the video of Evenepoel taking something from a small white bottle and putting it in his back pocket was "grasping at straws", but you didn't think a video of Bramati taking something from his pocket was grasping at straws. A plausible explanation is grasping at straws, but vague footage which ultimately shows nothing, isn't. Most of the debate is based on hunches, gut feeling, personal preference (hypocrisy) and skepticism. How can you expect to have an honest and in depth discussion that way, that doesn't stray into tinfoil-hat territory?The reason Bernal and Pogacar don't have huge Clinic threads is nobody defends them at all costs. That's basically the reason Sky threads and Armstrong threads were so big.
I'm sure there are some posters here who actually know what they're talking about, but i can't tell who they are at this point.
Also in this topic, regarding Pog's performance. Stating there was advantageous wind, the stage was short, it was the first week, only 3 mountains in the stage... is being ridiculed as being naïve BS. Then, was Pogacar pretending not to be as good the next day, or was whatever he was having very short term? As long as it is about spreading suspicion, anything goes. But when you post possible explanations it's laughable, naïve or "grasping at straws". That's why you can't have a serious/honest discussion.