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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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His dominate win in Strade tells me that he and his doctors and Manager have him on some new drug that is undetectable and clears his system fast, or he has a great masking agent ? Its just a matter of time before we see negative L'Equipe headlines but this time they will go unnoticed as there is no David Walsh reporter who will go after him and he'll ride into the twilight of his career with 5 or more tour wins.
 
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I think some people are just very reactive to what rider's facial expressions are like when they're racing, when in reality it's a pretty soft data point, if anything.
Yeah this. I am not claiming to be rational in wanting to see effort in their faces and of course those things can also be faked. But the way in which he just seems to tick of boxes rubs me in so many wrong ways so this just makes it even worse.
 
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Double for UAE. McNulty with the already patented UAE-Bahrain long-range solo attack and Pog doing whatever he wants with the rest, no sweat. It looks so easy for these guys. McNulty from a guy who got dropped in Itzulia on the first big climb, now puts 2 minutes into the next guys from the breakaway and honestly he could've probably gone even further, his gap on the climb was rising ridiculously fast. Roglic is kinda lucky McNulty&Almeida got screwed by the wind.

It's interesting how these solo long-range attacks(30km+) occur only from these 2 teams with incredible frequency and they almost never lose when they go in these attacks. There is nothing special with this tactic and actually it's harder to win this way in most cases than with a closer attack as the rest of the teams do. Whatever drug these teams are using it's clearly suited for this kinda of tactic tho and it allows them to keep great pace over a very long time and the fatigue comes much slower than normal. The fatigue effect also works great in reduced sprints, where are very hard races, these guys sprint much better than the rest(Pog LBL, Colbrelli Roubaix). But so far we haven't seen it having any spectacular effects in bunch sprints.

This year Bahrain has looked pedestrian so far, personally I think this is their real level. It might be because of the investigation or they will get a "boost" right before Giro like it happened last year. While UAE is clearly expanding the usage of the drug from Pog to the rest of the team. These long-range attacks are already recognised by the guys in the peloton with Ewan saying that Milano-San Remo is gonna depend on how Pogacar is gonna attack and probably this is also the reason Roglic goes there, to help WvA to cover such an attack.

I wonder how much this domination is gonna stay, for me it's already boring. When I saw McNulty in the breakaway I already knew he is gonna go long-range again but what was ridiculous is how he destroyed everyone there. It was funny how the moto had to drive a lot before finding McNulty, they didn't expect him to get such a gap either. :eek:
 
How can everyone be so far away in performance from Pogacar? I am puzzled. I understand that most of the big hitters dope. But this is unreal. The closest I saw was Armstrong. And then we got our explanation why he was the best compared to the others that were doping as well. But this? you can't tell me that he is doing something similar. Unless the UCI is practically not doing anything at all. I know he is talented but so are many other riders. One day we'll find out.
 
Double for UAE. McNulty with the already patented UAE-Bahrain long-range solo attack and Pog doing whatever he wants with the rest, no sweat. It looks so easy for these guys. McNulty from a guy who got dropped in Itzulia on the first big climb, now puts 2 minutes into the next guys from the breakaway and honestly he could've probably gone even further, his gap on the climb was rising ridiculously fast. Roglic is kinda lucky McNulty&Almeida got screwed by the wind.

It's interesting how these solo long-range attacks(30km+) occur only from these 2 teams with incredible frequency and they almost never lose when they go in these attacks. There is nothing special with this tactic and actually it's harder to win this way in most cases than with a closer attack as the rest of the teams do. Whatever drug these teams are using it's clearly suited for this kinda of tactic tho and it allows them to keep great pace over a very long time and the fatigue comes much slower than normal. The fatigue effect also works great in reduced sprints, where are very hard races, these guys sprint much better than the rest(Pog LBL, Colbrelli Roubaix). But so far we haven't seen it having any spectacular effects in bunch sprints.

This year Bahrain has looked pedestrian so far, personally I think this is their real level. It might be because of the investigation or they will get a "boost" right before Giro like it happened last year. While UAE is clearly expanding the usage of the drug from Pog to the rest of the team. These long-range attacks are already recognised by the guys in the peloton with Ewan saying that Milano-San Remo is gonna depend on how Pogacar is gonna attack and probably this is also the reason Roglic goes there, to help WvA to cover such an attack.

I wonder how much this domination is gonna stay, for me it's already boring. When I saw McNulty in the breakaway I already knew he is gonna go long-range again but what was ridiculous is how he destroyed everyone there. It was funny how the moto had to drive a lot before finding McNulty, they didn't expect him to get such a gap either. :eek:

To be fair McNulty had to ride hard in the wind trying to catch the Roglic group in Itzulia and was gassed by the time they got to the climb, but then again it didn’t stop Pog from continuing to gain on the climb.
It will be really interesting to watch a long range attack in a race that involves Roglic or Van Aert both in proper form. I wonder if Pog would be willing to attempt that with Van Aert nearby on a non pure mountain stage.
 
Double for UAE. McNulty with the already patented UAE-Bahrain long-range solo attack and Pog doing whatever he wants with the rest, no sweat. It looks so easy for these guys. McNulty from a guy who got dropped in Itzulia on the first big climb, now puts 2 minutes into the next guys from the breakaway and honestly he could've probably gone even further, his gap on the climb was rising ridiculously fast. Roglic is kinda lucky McNulty&Almeida got screwed by the wind.

It's interesting how these solo long-range attacks(30km+) occur only from these 2 teams with incredible frequency and they almost never lose when they go in these attacks. There is nothing special with this tactic and actually it's harder to win this way in most cases than with a closer attack as the rest of the teams do. Whatever drug these teams are using it's clearly suited for this kinda of tactic tho and it allows them to keep great pace over a very long time and the fatigue comes much slower than normal. The fatigue effect also works great in reduced sprints, where are very hard races, these guys sprint much better than the rest(Pog LBL, Colbrelli Roubaix). But so far we haven't seen it having any spectacular effects in bunch sprints.

This year Bahrain has looked pedestrian so far, personally I think this is their real level. It might be because of the investigation or they will get a "boost" right before Giro like it happened last year. While UAE is clearly expanding the usage of the drug from Pog to the rest of the team. These long-range attacks are already recognised by the guys in the peloton with Ewan saying that Milano-San Remo is gonna depend on how Pogacar is gonna attack and probably this is also the reason Roglic goes there, to help WvA to cover such an attack.

I wonder how much this domination is gonna stay, for me it's already boring. When I saw McNulty in the breakaway I already knew he is gonna go long-range again but what was ridiculous is how he destroyed everyone there. It was funny how the moto had to drive a lot before finding McNulty, they didn't expect him to get such a gap either. :eek:
Which 2 teams do all the long range attacks? I don't think Alaphilippe or Van Aert or van der Poel are any of them on UAE or Bahrain, and yet I've seen them all pull off long range attacks. It's kind of Ala's calling card.
 
Which 2 teams do all the long range attacks? I don't think Alaphilippe or Van Aert or van der Poel are any of them on UAE or Bahrain, and yet I've seen them all pull off long range attacks. It's kind of Ala's calling card.
UAE and Bahrain. When was the last time Ala, Van Aert or Van der Poel did a 30km+ solo? They all make selections early but they are still in a group. Being in a group it allows them to save some energy. If they do a solo then it's a much shorter one, less than 20km like Van Aert in Omloop or Ala at WC RR. Pogacar broke the record for the biggest solo attack in Strade which means he soloed even more than guys like Cancellara.
 
To be fair McNulty had to ride hard in the wind trying to catch the Roglic group in Itzulia and was gassed by the time they got to the climb, but then again it didn’t stop Pog from continuing to gain on the climb.
It will be really interesting to watch a long range attack in a race that involves Roglic or Van Aert both in proper form. I wonder if Pog would be willing to attempt that with Van Aert nearby on a non pure mountain stage.
So going from being gassed by doing some pulls on the flat while in a big group to 2 big solo long-range attacks in less than 2 weeks?(25 km solo also in Faun-Ardeche) That doesn't sound normal at all. And the difference in fatigue last year between McNulty and Pog was striking. Now suddenly McNulty is at the same level. I really doubt this McNulty would lose Itzulia like last year. He dropped Roglic, Kuss, Alaphilippe, Martin on the climbs in Faun-Ardeche,
 
UAE and Bahrain. When was the last time Ala, Van Aert or Van der Poel did a 30km+ solo? They all make selections early but they are still in a group. Being in a group it allows them to save some energy. If they do a solo then it's a much shorter one, less than 20km like Van Aert in Omloop or Ala at WC RR. Pogacar broke the record for the biggest solo attack in Strade which means he soloed even more than guys like Cancellara.

VDP at Tirreno last year, probably.
 
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So going from being gassed by doing some pulls on the flat while in a big group to 2 big solo long-range attacks in less than 2 weeks?(25 km solo also in Faun-Ardeche) That doesn't sound normal at all. And the difference in fatigue last year between McNulty and Pog was striking. Now suddenly McNulty is at the same level. I really doubt this McNulty would lose Itzulia like last year. He dropped Roglic, Kuss, Alaphilippe, Martin on the climbs in Faun-Ardeche,
Getting a bit offtopic but this is really comparing apples and oranges. In Itzulia last year, McNulty was in very good form and capable of climbing with the majority of the favorites on the normal climbs. Then on said last stage after the Roglic and Movistar group got a gap he got dropped on the steepest climb of the whole race because Roglic was putting on the pressure in the first group and Pogacar was chasing in his group. Not being among the best on a 10 minute super steep effort is a totally different thing than attacking from a breakaway and riding your tempo for 45 minutes, especially given that he was a TT specialist in his earlier years.
And "big solo long-range attacks" also is a term that needs a bit perspective. This wasn't a case of a rider holding off a chasing peleton on the flat for 50km. Faun-Ardeche was a preseason race that plenty of guys clearly didn't take too serious and yesterday he was in a breakaway with a bunch of nobodies, attacked on the last proper climb and then just road his tempo with a dysfunctional chase behind him and a terrain (up and down, small curvey roads) that suits solo pacing.
McNulty might be onto something, who knows, but his career trajectory so far seems far more plausible than plenty of other guys. Talented guy that is probably about to enter his prime years now after steady improvements in the last years. Had some great performances last year (Basque Country, Olympic road race) but also some proper no-shows (Tour de France), now looks to be on very good form early in the season when plenty of guys are still building for their targets so lets see if he can hold that up.

Pogacar and UAE is a weird case for me. Pogacar is clearly a crazy outlier in every clinical and non-clinical way.
If they're having a new super juice, a new masking agent they're definitely using it in a stupid way or have a very high risk tolerance. What exactly is the benefit of him slapping around the competition in these medium relevant early season races like UAE Tour or Tirreno (especially two years in a row) apart from bringing even more attention to his case.
And while I don't trust there management and that sponsor one bit, unlike other teams that have sudden high levels across the board I don't even see UAE riders thaaat questionable. Sure, that 1-23 earlier this year was interesting but outside of that and Mcnulty? Last two years they were a big letdown outside Pogacar and plenty of signings haven't performed at all. Hirschi has fallen off a cliff since 2020, Almeida has looked very meh so far, Ackermann even worse than his last year at Bora.
 
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18'46'' for Pogi on the 2nd ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1893 m/h, [Dr.F] = 6.31 W/kg

~20'13'' for the four chasers on Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1757 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.86 W/kg

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~20'53'' for the favourites on the first ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1701 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.67 W/kg
 
18'46'' for Pogi on the 2nd ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1893 m/h, [Dr.F] = 6.31 W/kg

~20'13'' for the four chasers on Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1757 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.86 W/kg

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~20'53'' for the favourites on the first ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1701 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.67 W/kg
Not too shabby given he only really pushed it for part of the climb
 
18'46'' for Pogi on the 2nd ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1893 m/h, [Dr.F] = 6.31 W/kg

~20'13'' for the four chasers on Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1757 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.86 W/kg

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~20'53'' for the favourites on the first ascent of Carpegna (5.9 km @ 10.0 %, 592 m), VAM = 1701 m/h, [Dr.F] = 5.67 W/kg

Dr. F's formula underestimates for steep gradients so I assume the true values are even higher. It's sweet spot is 6-8%, where it is quite good for calm conditions.
 
Dr. F's formula underestimates for steep gradients so I assume the true values are even higher. It's sweet spot is 6-8%, where it is quite good for calm conditions.
Yes, in cases like this it mostly work as an illustration of the gap between the riders.

More accurately, and with better timing (I relied on the assumption that they rode the same pace until the KOM banner):
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1502745439543697412
 
The sheer manner in which he is winning (and in every race he touches at that) is bound to piss off a lot of teams and riders. I think we'll see him dial things in a little bit soon or else he's jeopardising himself. Usually we're used to seeing the big guys confine this sort of nonsense to the Tour and the Tour alone in years gone by and allow other teams to share the spoils in the "smaller" races.