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You wrote a lot but did not say much. Right off the bat you try to make a mockery out of my post by calling me an apologist and claiming I am disingenuous in my dislike of Pog. Let me make it very clear. I always root against Pog (maybe except the case when he is against Vingo 1vs1 in which case I root against both of them).Indeed, let us not go there any more. My examples were of a somewhat humorous nature anyway, just to demonstrate how misplaced those apologists' comparisons of Pogo with Newton and Euler were. Plus, this particular off-topic does not appear to be your forte. I could guess that in your rankings the old fool Bertie Russell sits higher than Marx and Hegel combined. But, for a systemic apologist, nothing else is expected.
Here is another apologist "move" on display : siding with the opponent. "I am with you, guys, do not like Pogo, but you have to acknowledge his greatness." Like, I am sorry, but there is no way around it. Surely, this phrase is coming soon.
Yeah, reluctantly you admit his "dominance" and invite your opponents and by now buddies to do the same. Then we can all go, get some beer and rue the unfortunate -- for all of us now -- Pogo's "greatness and dominance" a bit more.
Here comes that "smoking gun" the apologists adore and keep bringing up. And the tactics of "siding with the opponent" continues. Of course you were looking for that "gun" and, in spite your best efforts, could not find it having to reluctantly admit defeat and begrudgingly sing kumbaya to the great "generational" Pogo. "See, folks, I do not like it but it's unavoidable in the name of truth itself." Yeah, right."Gray area" though is fine and dandy, like gray (in body color) motors.
I never brought up those miracle wheels. Such a system is too bulky and complex to be used in bikes. What they use is good old brushless (possibly in a more distributed execution, especially for summer) with lithium batteries. The latter have quite sufficient energy density for "enhanced" bike riding we are witnessing from "generational" Pogo. But yes, those small brushless motors can output in excess of 500W for a shorter period, especially in cool and wet weather.
Again, the discussion is redirected from the facts under our nose to the perceived (by the apologist in question, of course) technical difficulties of pulling off the fraud. The numbers of people in the full know get invented on the fly and then speculations begin on whether or not one should "feel" or "find" (subjectively, of course) that freshly invented scale "plausible". The opponent -- who is a buddy by now, remember, -- is again gently invited to join such an evaluation. And then that "ground prep" (or, rather, opponents' mind prep) with sweeping generalizations of "achievements" with Newton, Euler and, maybe. if needed, the Gospel authors (indeed, if we look at influential books, how many "standard deviations" those guys John, Luke etc. should be considered above an average writer?) comes handy. By equating Pogo with a pedal pushing analogue of Newton, the apologist has "proved" his point. But the opponent should never forget that the apologist is fundamentally in the same "skeptical and objective" boat and is always 'happy to reevaluate".
So, hopefully, by now the opponent has been distracted enough to start thinking about Newton and Euler exact "metrics" of greatness, how prolific they were etc,, to forget about that "smoking volcano" he has just witnessed with his own eyes. Namely, to be specific, and to use the most recent "experimental" data, that seated, low cadence comical acceleration up the Muur gapping a bunch of world class hilly specialists -- who were by then in pretty much full standing sprint -- by 20-30 meters in just a few seconds. One more time: low cadence implies high gear and a lot of force on the pedals, the latter demands a standing stance. The absence of the latter points unequivocally -- due to laws of mechanics that Newton was so kind to discover for us -- to a source of forward propulsion other than rider's legs. Just how much more smoke is needed? But the smooth apologist prefers to discuss the perceived numbers of folks in the know, Pogo's and other riders' perceived hypothesized feelings and anything else but the direct physical (from the word "physics") evidence.
P.S. An interesting observation about TV translations of that Muur "generaltional" episode. Right before an up to the said "attack", an overhead view is shown. Once the attack begins, the view switches to the one in front of Pogo who is performing that lazy low cadence scorching seated acceleration. So the exact speed of his separation from the group is made not quite obvious. One has to wonder why.
P.P.S. For the benefit of people who might have paid some attention to the content of my philosophy related example. When we speak about Hegel as philosopher, it is very important to distinguish Hegel as the "Science of Logic" author and Hegel as the author of everything else he wrote. The former is much, much above the latter as philosopher. And the one who is "interesting to read" for a typical apologist is almost certainly the latter.
I am no philosopher, but I have read most of the important works and I know the ideas which are discussed. I am not a big fan of Hegel or Russel and I certainly believe that Marx's work did not result with anything good and his ideas are flawed. However, it seems to me that you did not understand why I even mentioned exceptional people and you certainly did not try to give any counter arguments to my statements.
The only thing you mentioned is the seated acceleration by Pog on FW. I invite you to make some calculations of the amount of force/torque needed to produce 600W or 700W and if it possible to do it seated.
Lastly, I actually am happy to reevaluate if some new evidence appears (or if you actually try to make an effort to provide a real argument).
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