Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I don't buy the motor doping story. I have never seen a hub or a crank where a possible engine is at such a low weight that it would make sense to fit it in. Can anyone provide a link where such a device exists and perhaps weighs around 500gr (that would mean shaving off 500gr elsewhere on an already lean bike).

The motor theories often enough presume that there are no, or fake inspections. So, in this line of reasoning, I guess weight shouldn't be the issue either. Yet it has to be mentioned, that bikes can be much leaner, and much leaner bikes exist, it's just that the UCI has set a specific minimum weight. So I think getting rid of it should not be that hard I guess.

 

[Rico044]

There is one way to get to the bottom of this motor doping business! We need some vigilante to steal Pog's bike after a big stage, and then tear that sh!t apart on facebook live!

 

[danielovichdk2]

The motor theories often enough presume that there are no, or fake inspections. So, in this line of reasoning, I guess weight shouldn't be the issue either. Yet it has to be mentioned, that bikes can be much leaner, and much leaner bikes exist, it's just that the UCI has set a specific minimum weight. So I think getting rid of it should not be that hard I guess.

No doubt, the 7.5kg limit can absolutely be put down. But I still haven't seen any engine design on a low weight scale.

For the inspections, it's a fairly low hanging fruit to scan the top 10-15 riders bikes. Nothing to it really. FIA has great inspection policies, UCI should as well, especially since cycling is becoming more and more about faster bikes/clothes. We know this is primarily a marketing thing and riders are of course still doping.

But there are many small things that can be done, which baffles me still is not being done.

Weigh-ins and weigh-outs of top 10 ten riders, in the presence of an UCI doctor, before the race starts and after the stage ends.

All race computers to be tagged or incorporated with a UCI hardware specific chip and be handed in after each stage.

That would either shut up the people in doubt or raise questions based on actual real data.

 

[Stablo]

There is one way to get to the bottom of this motor doping business! We need some vigilante to steal Pog's bike after a big stage, and then tear that sh!t apart on facebook live!

My thought's exactly 😉who is going to take one for the team? 😂🤌

 

[Froome]

They have played it well, when those numbers look like a walk in the park now. Nothing to see here, just a casual 7,2w/kg for 20 mins in a prep race 😉🙏🏼

It wasn't that much, but it was a great perfomance.

It was something around 7/7.05 W/kg in almost 20 minutes.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It wasn't that much, but it was a great perfomance.

It was something around 7/7.05 W/kg in almost 20 minutes.

Maybe the best ever performance in a prep-race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe the best ever performance in a prep-race.

It was much more than 7 w/kg. If not, everyone underperformed except Pogacar. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It was much more than 7 w/kg. If not, everyone underperformed except Pogacar. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

Maybe both (great performance + slight underperformance by Vingo) but anyway the gap was huge and that's what actually matters in races and it also signals the quality of performance under given circumstances.

 

[Froome]

It was much more than 7 w/kg. If not, everyone underperformed except Pogacar. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

It was much more than 7w/kg if you consider a standard weight of 60 kg.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Maybe the best ever performance in a prep-race.

On German ES Bengtsch called it "The best 20 minutes of cycling history" (in regards to performance)

 

[Froome]

On German ES Bengtsch called it "The best 20 minutes of cycling history" (in regards to performance)

I'm almost sure there was a section of 20 minutes on PDB were probably pogacar did more w/kg than on Combloux.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I'm almost sure there was a section of 20 minutes on PDB were probably pogacar did more w/kg than on Combloux.

Personally I have no idea.
He also didn't put it into any perspective, comparing it to anything or else. He just dropped that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm almost sure there was a section of 20 minutes on PDB were probably pogacar did more w/kg than on Combloux.

I was close to 7 w/kg in the bottom half of the climb and less in the upper (higher elevation + fatigue, slightly positive split). There was some breakdown of that performance into 3 parts.

 

[Froome]

Personally I have no idea.
He also didn't put it into any perspective, comparing it to anything or else. He just dropped that.

I was close to 7 w/kg in the bottom half of the climb and less in the upper (higher elevation + fatigue, slightly positive split). There was some breakdown of that performance into 3 parts.

Tour de France 2024, Pogacar le nouveau mutant. Par Frédéric Portoleau

Tadej Pogacar vient de réaliser le doublé Tour d'Italie / Tour de France, une performance inattendue dans ce cyclisme dense en coureurs de très haut niveau. Performance historique au plateau de Beille. Le Slovène a vraiment pris le dessus sur son rival danois Vingegaard au Plateau de Beille...

www.chronoswatts.com

"Power estimates allow us to realize the athletic performance on this climb. In Jorgenson's wheel for 13min27sec at the bottom of the pass, Pogacar and Vingegaard are at 460 standard watts while the American at the head of the group develops 476 standard watts. On the intermediate section of 6.65 km at 8.36% (from 2 to 3 on the map), from his attack, Vingegaard develops the equivalent of 487 standard watts (7.1 w/kg if 60 kg) for 17min27sec. This is not enough to drop Pogacar. On the sheltered forest section of 11.68 km at 8.36% without the final exposed to the wind (from 1 to 3 on the map), Pogacar develops a standard power of 472 standard watts over a duration of 30min36sec. Vingegaard does as well with 474 standard watts for 30min54sec. The Scandinavian weakened a little on the top and lost another 50 seconds while Pogacar continued at a pace never seen before on the Plateau de Beille. Over the entire climb, Pogacar's power output was estimated at 473 standard watts (6.78 w/kg if 66kg). Vingegaard also achieved an incredible performance with 463 standard watts."



They did something close in the intermediate section.

 

[Luthor]

Don't you think this is too much? I will not report your post because this post was already seen and edited by a moderator but wishing a rider to crash out (and probably get injured) is too much.
I can understand people getting angry about this dominance but wishing a rider to crash out is not pretty!

He is a cheater, period. Protected by a team of proved cheaters and UCI which gets oil money from UAE to protect him. He is not a nice person, despite his PR training made some people thought about him. A cheater who mocks the entire peloton and everyone who watches cycling. His entire persona is fake and it's a mockery comparing to other sportsmen. I look at other several sports and nobody at the top takes it as some form of game.

You can live in Narnia and believe in your miracles all you want, it doesn't change anything. Nobody gives a damn about "domination", this isn't domination, this is insulting people's intelligence and believing that he's untouchable. If you're going by the evidence route, then I'm afraid you also believed in the Narnia stories from Armstrong&co. Some people who watched cycling long enough know this is too good to be true but the entire cycling industry is basically omerta as killing Pogacar would mean killing the entire sport once again.

 

[danielovichdk2]

He is a cheater, period. Protected by a team of proved cheaters and UCI which gets oil money from UAE to protect him. He is not a nice person, despite his PR training made some people thought about him. A cheater who mocks the entire peloton and everyone who watches cycling. His entire persona is fake and it's a mockery comparing to other sportsmen. I look at other several sports and nobody at the top takes it as some form of game.

You can live in Narnia and believe in your miracles all you want, it doesn't change anything. Nobody gives a *** about "domination", this isn't domination, this is insulting people's intelligence and believing that he's untouchable.

I feel more insulted by Froome. And his wife.

 

[daking123]

The 2024 Paris-Roubaix was the moment I became convinced that he is motor doping. He did not win, but the fact that he nearly matched a significantly heavier more experienced classics rider on the cobbles Is beyond suspicious.

The sudden acceleration It was eerily reminiscent of Cancellara’s attacks. Out of nowhere, he launches an explosive burst not a gradual buildup, but an instant surgeright on the edge of the cobblestones where the ground is sketchy and full of loose dirt. Any cyclist knows that kind of sudden acceleration on loose uneven cobbles/dirt is nearly impossible there’s simply not enough traction to pull it off without slipping or losing control(unless you used a motor)
The bike change: This is the smoking gun for me. Late in the race with no visible mechanical issue, he swaps bikes. On the new bike his pace noticeably drops suddenly he is losing time to Van der Poel. Before the change, he was holding the gap with ease. Almost as if he knew the win was out of reach, so he switched to a regular bike to play it safe.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

it's the best to check what our hero said about this subject:

Since electric bicycles became fashionable, we have seen that it is not so easy to put a motor in a bicycle. I think it would show, I don't think it's possible to hide it. There were rumors five, ten years ago, but I don't even remember the last time I heard about it. I think we can rest assured now

I think this should end any doubts so rest assured, people!

Mechanical doping no longer something to fear in pro peloton, says Tadej Pogacar: "I think we can rest assured now"

Performances in recent years have gotten stronger and stronger within pro cycling, and that has led to increasing suspicions of doping in the pro peloton - both biological and mechanical. Tadej Pogaca...

cyclinguptodate.com

 

[Rou]

It was much more than 7 w/kg. If not, everyone underperformed except Pogacar. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

It's okay. If our friend poster feels better claiming that Pog was average that day so be it. People who see reality can realise that this was the best 20 min interval of Pogacar's career.

 

[Rou]

I'm almost sure there was a section of 20 minutes on PDB were probably pogacar did more w/kg than on Combloux.

No, there wasn't and you are making stuff up.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

it's the best to check what our hero said about this subject:

Since electric bicycles became fashionable, we have seen that it is not so easy to put a motor in a bicycle. I think it would show, I don't think it's possible to hide it. There were rumors five, ten years ago, but I don't even remember the last time I heard about it. I think we can rest assured now

I think this should end any doubts so rest assured, people!

Mechanical doping no longer something to fear in pro peloton, says Tadej Pogacar: "I think we can rest assured now"

Performances in recent years have gotten stronger and stronger within pro cycling, and that has led to increasing suspicions of doping in the pro peloton - both biological and mechanical. Tadej Pogaca...

cyclinguptodate.com

He might soon realise that he misunderstood the question and that he actually has heard recent rumours. Still there's no reason to be worried at the moment. It's much easier to fit an engine inside the body of a rider rather than in his bike.

 

[Froome]

No, there wasn't and you are making stuff up.

Yes, there were, and i already posted the article.

 

[miloslos]

There is one way to get to the bottom of this motor doping business! We need some vigilante to steal Pog's bike after a big stage, and then tear that sh!t apart on facebook live!

I mean a few fans with FLIR thermal cameras at every mountain top finish climb of TDF should be more than enough to spot an e-bike and the same for the ITT stages for good measure. Something along the lines of the 2016 Strade 2 and Corriere della Sera operation.

 

[Rou]

Yes, there were, and i already posted the article.

I don't know what your goal is but whatever. In the article of Portoleau Pogacar or Vingegaard never push 7.3-7.4W/KG for an interval close to 20 mins.
Plateau de Beille is the BEST performance in history but I am talking about the best 20 min power output of POGACAR.
Here is my evidence and I will not post anything more about Combloux.
Contador on Verbier (8.2km at 7.8% avg) - 1860 m VAM. It is widely accepted that Contador pushed 6.9-7.0 W/KG on Verbier.
Pogacar on Combloux (8.76km at 7.13% avg) - 1896 m VAM.
So Pogacar on Combloux did 36 m more VAM on a climb that is 0.67% less steep.
Multiple calculations have Pogacar doing 7.3-7.4 W/KG for close to 20 mins which is his best 20 min performance.
That's all from me.

 

[Froome]

I don't know what your goal is but whatever. In the article of Portoleau Pogacar or Vingegaard never push 7.3-7.4W/KG for an interval close to 20 mins.
Plateau de Beille is the BEST performance in history but I am talking about the best 20 min power output of POGACAR.
Here is my evidence and I will not post anything more about Combloux.
Contador on Verbier (8.2km at 7.8% avg) - 1860 m VAM. It is widely accepted that Contador pushed 6.9-7.0 W/KG on Verbier.
Pogacar on Combloux (8.76km at 7.13% avg) - 1896 m VAM.
So Pogacar on Combloux did 36 m more VAM on a climb that is 0.67% less steep.
Multiple calculations have Pogacar doing 7.3-7.4 W/KG for close to 20 mins which is his best 20 min performance.
That's all from me.

Pogacar didn't pushed 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg on Combloux. Probably you saw something like that on watts2win on those guys from lanterne rouge who don't know anything about calculations.

I showed you the calculations from Chronowatts who are made since twenty years ago by the Engineer Frederic Portoleau. You choose what more credible or not. It's up to you.

You can also easily do the Formula Of FERRARI, the former coach of armstrong, and you will see he didn't close to 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg.

Relative power (watts/kg) = VAM (metres/hour) / (200 + 10 × % grade)

VAM=1888

W/kg= 1888/200 +10 ×7,24=6.92 w/kg


Contador did 6.7 on verbier.