Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Samu Cuenca]

it's the best to check what our hero said about this subject:

Since electric bicycles became fashionable, we have seen that it is not so easy to put a motor in a bicycle. I think it would show, I don't think it's possible to hide it. There were rumors five, ten years ago, but I don't even remember the last time I heard about it. I think we can rest assured now

I think this should end any doubts so rest assured, people!

Mechanical doping no longer something to fear in pro peloton, says Tadej Pogacar: "I think we can rest assured now"

Performances in recent years have gotten stronger and stronger within pro cycling, and that has led to increasing suspicions of doping in the pro peloton - both biological and mechanical. Tadej Pogaca...

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He might soon realise that he misunderstood the question and that he actually has heard recent rumours. Still there's no reason to be worried at the moment. It's much easier to fit an engine inside the body of a rider rather than in his bike.

 

[Froome]

No, there wasn't and you are making stuff up.

Yes, there were, and i already posted the article.

 

[miloslos]

There is one way to get to the bottom of this motor doping business! We need some vigilante to steal Pog's bike after a big stage, and then tear that sh!t apart on facebook live!

I mean a few fans with FLIR thermal cameras at every mountain top finish climb of TDF should be more than enough to spot an e-bike and the same for the ITT stages for good measure. Something along the lines of the 2016 Strade 2 and Corriere della Sera operation.

 

[Rou]

Yes, there were, and i already posted the article.

I don't know what your goal is but whatever. In the article of Portoleau Pogacar or Vingegaard never push 7.3-7.4W/KG for an interval close to 20 mins.
Plateau de Beille is the BEST performance in history but I am talking about the best 20 min power output of POGACAR.
Here is my evidence and I will not post anything more about Combloux.
Contador on Verbier (8.2km at 7.8% avg) - 1860 m VAM. It is widely accepted that Contador pushed 6.9-7.0 W/KG on Verbier.
Pogacar on Combloux (8.76km at 7.13% avg) - 1896 m VAM.
So Pogacar on Combloux did 36 m more VAM on a climb that is 0.67% less steep.
Multiple calculations have Pogacar doing 7.3-7.4 W/KG for close to 20 mins which is his best 20 min performance.
That's all from me.

 

[Froome]

I don't know what your goal is but whatever. In the article of Portoleau Pogacar or Vingegaard never push 7.3-7.4W/KG for an interval close to 20 mins.
Plateau de Beille is the BEST performance in history but I am talking about the best 20 min power output of POGACAR.
Here is my evidence and I will not post anything more about Combloux.
Contador on Verbier (8.2km at 7.8% avg) - 1860 m VAM. It is widely accepted that Contador pushed 6.9-7.0 W/KG on Verbier.
Pogacar on Combloux (8.76km at 7.13% avg) - 1896 m VAM.
So Pogacar on Combloux did 36 m more VAM on a climb that is 0.67% less steep.
Multiple calculations have Pogacar doing 7.3-7.4 W/KG for close to 20 mins which is his best 20 min performance.
That's all from me.

Pogacar didn't pushed 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg on Combloux. Probably you saw something like that on watts2win on those guys from lanterne rouge who don't know anything about calculations.

I showed you the calculations from Chronowatts who are made since twenty years ago by the Engineer Frederic Portoleau. You choose what more credible or not. It's up to you.

You can also easily do the Formula Of FERRARI, the former coach of armstrong, and you will see he didn't close to 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg.

Relative power (watts/kg) = VAM (metres/hour) / (200 + 10 × % grade)

VAM=1888

W/kg= 1888/200 +10 ×7,24=6.92 w/kg


Contador did 6.7 on verbier.

 

[Fos]

I think the less constant is the gradient, the more room for error in calculations. So in Combloux, better ask for the rider's powermeters to check.

 

[Rou]

Pogacar didn't pushed 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg on Combloux. Probably you saw something like that on watts2win on those guys from lanterne rouge who don't know anything about calculations.

I showed you the calculations from Chronowatts who are made since twenty years ago by the Engineer Frederic Portoleau. You choose what more credible or not. It's up to you.

You can also easily do the Formula Of FERRARI, the former coach of armstrong, and you will see he didn't close to 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg.

Relative power (watts/kg) = VAM (metres/hour) / (200 + 10 × % grade)

VAM=1888

W/kg= 1888/200 +10 ×7,24=6.92 w/kg


Contador did 6.7 on verbier.

With a little searching I found out how inconsistent you are, Froome.
Here you say the power output for Jonas on the Tourmalet in the 2023 Vuelta.

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''and 6.1 w/kg during 51 min on Tourmalet(where altitude plays a role, not on Grappa).''.
The Lanterne Rouge guys have his numbers at 6.09 W/Kg for 50:47.

Jumbo-Visma Complete Domination on Tourmalet | La Vuelta 2023 Stage 13 - Lanterne Rouge

Jumbo-Visma continues to impress in the 2023 season, today making a huge leap towards a La Vuelta GC win with their three team leaders Jonas Vingegaard, Sepp Kuss and Primož Roglič finishing 1-2-3 on the Col du Tourmalet, while their main threat Remco Evenepoel lost 27 minutes on the stage and...

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Watts2win have Jonas's performance at 6.00 W/KG for 49:02

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The ultimate database of cycling performance

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One more example:
You say this:
''Vingegaard did 7 w/kg during almost 20 minutes on marie blanque.''

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Lanterne Rouge have him at: ''Vingegaard climbed it in 20:58 min, pushing 6.92 ᵉW/Kg.''

Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge

Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.

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Watts2win: 6.82 for 22:18

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The ultimate database of cycling performance

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Ferrari Formula: 1897/200+10x8.5=6.66 W/KG
So when it suits your narrative you give bigger numbers and when it doesn't you try to diminish the performance when it is not your favorite rider.
What else can I say?

 

[Oldman]

Come on, it’s so obvious he’s riding with a motor. But sure, keep pretending Cancellara was the only one ever to cheat like that. Meanwhile Pogacar is doing carbon-copy seated attacks and no one bats an eye. Funny thing is he used to get out of the saddle to attack. Not anymore. Now he stays seated and magically puts out even more power. It’s a motor tucked neatly in the frame or the wheel or both.

Uninformed people are batting their eyes and scourging their backs against this heresy.
1.They also don't know how to ride a bike, at speed in a pack.
For all: you and some strong pals warm up a bit. Have them lead you out at 25 mph to a base of a 5-10% hill while you stay seated. You can gap off just a bit and take a spinning acceleration to the back end of the leadout. As you feel the grade toughen you can shift while staying in the saddle to maintain cadence. Keep doing that until you can't push a gear without getting out of the saddle.

Duplicate that exercise at a slower entry speed, staying close to the rider in front of you. Jump out of the saddle and gauge the difference in effort and how far you get up the hill until you are out of gears for bailout.
It's been done for years by riders that know how to do it, particularly riders that have raced high-speed and technical criteriums or fixed gear velodrome racing. A smart, not super-powerful rider once told me: "in a fast crit you can't spin too small a gear out of a corner". Saves tons of energy and allows the output to be even and not peak the pulse rate so soon you cannot adjust. It's also much more stable and aero to stay low while others thrash around you. You'll also be faster on an inside line allowing you to pass more thrashers.
If you don't see improvement; keep trying. If it seems impossible to spin that smoothly: see 1 above.
Or let one of your buddies try it.

 

[Froome]

With a little searching I found out how inconsistent you are, Froome.
Here you say the power output for Jonas on the Tourmalet in the 2023 Vuelta.

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''and 6.1 w/kg during 51 min on Tourmalet(where altitude plays a role, not on Grappa).''.
The Lanterne Rouge guys have his numbers at 6.09 W/Kg for 50:47.

Jumbo-Visma Complete Domination on Tourmalet | La Vuelta 2023 Stage 13 - Lanterne Rouge

Jumbo-Visma continues to impress in the 2023 season, today making a huge leap towards a La Vuelta GC win with their three team leaders Jonas Vingegaard, Sepp Kuss and Primož Roglič finishing 1-2-3 on the Col du Tourmalet, while their main threat Remco Evenepoel lost 27 minutes on the stage and...

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Watts2win have Jonas's performance at 6.00 W/KG for 49:02

Segments rankings, famous cycling climbs, comparison of the best times - Watts2Win

The ultimate database of cycling performance

watts2win.eu

One more example:
You say this:
''Vingegaard did 7 w/kg during almost 20 minutes on marie blanque.''

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Lanterne Rouge have him at: ''Vingegaard climbed it in 20:58 min, pushing 6.92 ᵉW/Kg.''

Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge

Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.

lanternerouge.com

Watts2win: 6.82 for 22:18

Segments rankings, famous cycling climbs, comparison of the best times - Watts2Win

The ultimate database of cycling performance

watts2win.eu

Ferrari Formula: 1897/200+10x8.5=6.66 W/KG
So when it suits your narrative you give bigger numbers and when it doesn't you try to diminish the performance when it is not your favorite rider.
What else can I say?

According to Frederic Portoleau, Vingegaard did 6.1 w/kg on Tourmalet Vuelta 2023.

Vingegaard did 7/7.1 w/kg during almost 20 min on Marie blanque. You can see in the next link, by Frederic Portoleau.

ChronosWatts.com

chronoswatts.com Chronos et simulations en Watts des grandes performances cyclistes dans les ascensions mythiques des Grands Tours.

www.chronoswatts.com

 

[TrekCyclist]

it's the best to check what our hero said about this subject:

Since electric bicycles became fashionable, we have seen that it is not so easy to put a motor in a bicycle. I think it would show, I don't think it's possible to hide it. There were rumors five, ten years ago, but I don't even remember the last time I heard about it. I think we can rest assured now

I think this should end any doubts so rest assured, people!

Mechanical doping no longer something to fear in pro peloton, says Tadej Pogacar: "I think we can rest assured now"

Performances in recent years have gotten stronger and stronger within pro cycling, and that has led to increasing suspicions of doping in the pro peloton - both biological and mechanical. Tadej Pogaca...

cyclinguptodate.com

There was several years ago the episode from 60 minutes, where they had Istvan Varjas put a motor in a Trek bike. Tyler Hamilton tested it, and confimed that it had a small but distinct effect. "Just enough to make the difference and ride away, when everybody is on the limit" was what he said, I think.

 

[Rou]

According to Frederic Portoleau, Vingegaard did 6.1 w/kg on Tourmalet Vuelta 2023.

Vingegaard did 7/7.1 w/kg during almost 20 min on Marie blanque. You can see in the next link, by Frederic Portoleau.

ChronosWatts.com

chronoswatts.com Chronos et simulations en Watts des grandes performances cyclistes dans les ascensions mythiques des Grands Tours.

www.chronoswatts.com

The article you just posted proves my point that you exaggerate numbers when it suits you. If you can see the numbers for Marie Blanque are 7.10 W/Kg for 16:13 which is not the full climb and is about 4:30 min less than the total length of the climb.
So why don't you just accept when you are wrong? Is it that hard to accept when a rider is that good?
I won't argue anymore.

 

[DONCA]

The 2024 Paris-Roubaix was the moment I became convinced that he is motor doping. He did not win, but the fact that he nearly matched a significantly heavier more experienced classics rider on the cobbles Is beyond suspicious.

The sudden acceleration It was eerily reminiscent of Cancellara’s attacks. Out of nowhere, he launches an explosive burst not a gradual buildup, but an instant surgeright on the edge of the cobblestones where the ground is sketchy and full of loose dirt. Any cyclist knows that kind of sudden acceleration on loose uneven cobbles/dirt is nearly impossible there’s simply not enough traction to pull it off without slipping or losing control(unless you used a motor)
The bike change: This is the smoking gun for me. Late in the race with no visible mechanical issue, he swaps bikes. On the new bike his pace noticeably drops suddenly he is losing time to Van der Poel. Before the change, he was holding the gap with ease. Almost as if he knew the win was out of reach, so he switched to a regular bike to play it safe.

It´s not the only suspicious thing about this race. I just rewatched his crash and saw something
very strange. It reminds me of the motor doping video of a rider whose bike spun after the crash.

It was different with Pogacar. His rear wheel spun even though he wasn't pedalling. You can see it very clearly if you look at the Envie logo. First the wheel turns normally and then it suddenly spins very fast. Then he brakes and shortly afterwards the wheel spins again even though he is not pedalling. After he crashed at Minute 8:09 he looked on his backwheel. Why did he look on his backwheel? Did he want to make sure that the wheel would stop turning?

Did he panic and try to switch off the motor and hit the wrong button or why does the wheel spin for a short time without him pedalling?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oS45Jyvm14&ab_channel=TourdeFrance


If you can´t open the video then use a VPN France or look for other Videos from the race.
1. set the playback speed to 0.25
2. skip to minute 8:06

 

[Froome]

The article you just posted proves my point that you exaggerate numbers when it suits you. If you can see the numbers for Marie Blanque are 7.10 W/Kg for 16:13 which is not the full climb and is about 4:30 min less than the total length of the climb.
So why don't you just accept when you are wrong? Is it that hard to accept when a rider is that good?
I won't argue anymore.

I said 7/7.1 w/kg during almost 20 minutes. I never said it was all of the climb considered, since the first part was almost flat.

I am giving you facts, you can't say i am wrong.

Pogacar did a great perfomance in combloux, it is also a fact.

 

[Unchained]

I am still curious as how would the other riders catch it? If I order myself a state of art e-assisted roadbike and we would go for a 100km Sunday ride, you wouldn't notice that i have assistance, unless i would tell you.

If you are in NYC, Southern, Northern California or larger city metro Texas, Miami, Mexico City not only would riders know you were on an ebike, they would discuss colors available in the model year, many would own similar bike or have one in social circle.
And pro bikes are inspected often, but especially after results, so if you win you and your bike are chaperoned until " it's " over.. Meaning bike is turned over and they have your sample. Days of returning to the team bus until you can go are in the past. Person watching winning rider does not leave their eyesight.. And huge database on part specs from approved manufacturers, including titanium hardware.. So inspectors know what a bike should weigh just by spec sheet calculations. So if you have a battery and actuator motor on your bike so far those dimensions will likely fit in seat, down tube, or maybe exaggerated bottom bracket shell assembly. going to be extra grams somewhere..Specialized, Colnago, few others don't have largest downtubes, if you wanted to motor dope Cervelo would be first pick w seat tubes and downtubes that are a little bigger than other manufacturers. The seldom used Y1Rs has chubby tubes to hide stuff for Colnago riding would be cheaters.

 

[Oldman]

It´s not the only suspicious thing about this race. I just rewatched his crash and saw something
very strange. It reminds me of the motor doping video of a rider whose bike spun after the crash.

It was different with Pogacar. His rear wheel spun even though he wasn't pedalling. You can see it very clearly if you look at the Envie logo. First the wheel turns normally and then it suddenly spins very fast. Then he brakes and shortly afterwards the wheel spins again even though he is not pedalling. After he crashed at Minute 8:09 he looked on his backwheel. Why did he look on his backwheel? Did he want to make sure that the wheel would stop turning?

Did he panic and try to switch off the motor and hit the wrong button or why does the wheel spin for a short time without him pedalling?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oS45Jyvm14&ab_channel=TourdeFrance


If you can´t open the video then use a VPN France or look for other Videos from the race.
1. set the playback speed to 0.25
2. skip to minute 8:06

This is the most contorted remake of reality.
The wheel slow spinning under braking because he may be sliding on the Pave and, when he knows it's late he'd let off the brake to control the slide with the front brake.
While crashing you can see him bail out and the rear wheel ends up on it's side. There is the front wheel still turning....backwards. A clear product of the crash. He's messing with the rear wheel to either get the chain back on or get it out of a cog that won't turn. The rear wheel might even have continued turning with the chain off.

The other video you may be referencing was a Tour years ago with a Trek rider. Similalry, he had crashed, dropped his chain and reset it. He spun the pedals to re-engage the correct cog as he was holding the bike and turning it to remount.
Conspiracy theorists lost their minds. Like now.

 

[Cookster15]

Some people who watched cycling long enough know this is too good to be true but the entire cycling industry is basically omerta as killing Pogacar would mean killing the entire sport once again.

Been watching closely since 1993 (Indurain / EPO era). Pogacar might well be too good to be true but nobody here has provided convincing evidence or reasoning how. And when did the sport die last time? It wasn't destroyed when Lance Armstrong - an American cancer survivor - was uncovered and Pogacar doesn't come close to Lance's global reach.

Ask the average non cycling fan outside of Europe who Pogacar is and many won't know - that is completely different to Armstrong. The sport also wasn't destroyed by the Festina affair or Operación Puerto.

This is also nothing like the doping omerta - that protected rival teams and sponsors. The doping omerta held because you don't spit in the soup you are all drinking.

If Pogacar is doing things other teams and riders are not - particularly motor doping - then this is costing rival teams, their sponsors and the cycling industry millions. They all employ lawyers who can advise how to lift the lid without inviting a civil law suit. Walsh and Kimmage did it on Lance.

I just don't believe motor doping is possible without UCI collusion. Bikes are checked and Pogacar has been winning for long enough now. No way did they just not happen to check his bikes on every win and every day he held a leaders jersey (as the UCI's own rules state). And no way can motor technology be hidden in plain sight of qualified and experienced bike mechanics. Even mooted technology like magnetic wheels.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He is a cheater, period. Protected by a team of proved cheaters and UCI which gets oil money from UAE to protect him. He is not a nice person, despite his PR training made some people thought about him. A cheater who mocks the entire peloton and everyone who watches cycling. His entire persona is fake and it's a mockery comparing to other sportsmen. I look at other several sports and nobody at the top takes it as some form of game.

You can live in Narnia and believe in your miracles all you want, it doesn't change anything. Nobody gives a damn about "domination", this isn't domination, this is insulting people's intelligence and believing that he's untouchable. If you're going by the evidence route, then I'm afraid you also believed in the Narnia stories from Armstrong&co. Some people who watched cycling long enough know this is too good to be true but the entire cycling industry is basically omerta as killing Pogacar would mean killing the entire sport once again.

Putting words in my mouth don't give your post more credibility. I agree with some things you wrote, he is doping and I'm pretty sure no one will catch him because he is the face of cycling. Just like Bolt or Phelps never got caught.
And you should be more cautious when you say I don't follow cycling for too long. Why do you write things like that? It is again to win the argument? I'm very aware of Armstrong and his career. I was a big fan of him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar didn't pushed 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg on Combloux. Probably you saw something like that on watts2win on those guys from lanterne rouge who don't know anything about calculations.

I showed you the calculations from Chronowatts who are made since twenty years ago by the Engineer Frederic Portoleau. You choose what more credible or not. It's up to you.

You can also easily do the Formula Of FERRARI, the former coach of armstrong, and you will see he didn't close to 7.3 or 7.4 w/kg.

Relative power (watts/kg) = VAM (metres/hour) / (200 + 10 × % grade)

VAM=1888

W/kg= 1888/200 +10 ×7,24=6.92 w/kg


Contador did 6.7 on verbier.

This formula is silly to be honest specially in irregular climbs.

 

[Blobs]

Been watching closely since 1993 (Indurain / EPO era). Pogacar might well be too good to be true but nobody here has provided convincing evidence or reasoning how. And when did the sport die last time? It wasn't destroyed when Lance Armstrong - an American cancer survivor - was uncovered and Pogacar doesn't come close to Lance's global reach.

Ask the average non cycling fan outside of Europe who Pogacar is and many won't know - that is completely different to Armstrong. The sport also wasn't destroyed by the Festina affair or Operación Puerto.

This is also nothing like the doping omerta - that protected rival teams and sponsors. The doping omerta held because you don't spit in the soup you are all drinking.

If Pogacar is doing things other teams and riders are not - particularly motor doping - then this is costing rival teams, their sponsors and the cycling industry millions. They all employ lawyers who can advise how to lift the lid without inviting a civil law suit. Walsh and Kimmage did it on Lance.

I just don't believe motor doping is possible without UCI collusion. Bikes are checked and Pogacar has been winning for long enough now. No way did they just not happen to check his bikes on every win and every day he held a leaders jersey (as the UCI's own rules state). And no way can motor technology be hidden in plain sight of qualified and experienced bike mechanics. Even mooted technology like magnetic wheels.

I don't think the comparison to Lance makes sense. He was brought down years after his retirement. It would have sent a whole different level of shockwaves through the sport if he was popped during his reign, which he could have been, but the UCI colluded to cover it up.

But still, that was for regular doping. If the biggest name in the sport, who has been absolutely dominating like never before seen, is suddenly shown to have ridden with a motor, it would be a completely different level of disaster. The sport would become a giant joke.

As to why other teams don't speak up; if you don't have any proof, I just don't see what you would get out of it, other than a giant lawsuit, that you will definitely lose. Unless they catch them red-handed, there is really nothing they can do.

I would also bet that if other teams start accusing UCI of collusion, without hard evidence, they would probably get banned from the sport.

 

[DONCA]

Been watching closely since 1993 (Indurain / EPO era). Pogacar might well be too good to be true but nobody here has provided convincing evidence or reasoning how. And when did the sport die last time? It wasn't destroyed when Lance Armstrong - an American cancer survivor - was uncovered and Pogacar doesn't come close to Lance's global reach.

Ask the average non cycling fan outside of Europe who Pogacar is and many won't know - that is completely different to Armstrong. The sport also wasn't destroyed by the Festina affair or Operación Puerto.

This is also nothing like the doping omerta - that protected rival teams and sponsors. The doping omerta held because you don't spit in the soup you are all drinking.

If Pogacar is doing things other teams and riders are not - particularly motor doping - then this is costing rival teams, their sponsors and the cycling industry millions. They all employ lawyers who can advise how to lift the lid without inviting a civil law suit. Walsh and Kimmage did it on Lance.

I just don't believe motor doping is possible without UCI collusion. Bikes are checked and Pogacar has been winning for long enough now. No way did they just not happen to check his bikes on every win and every day he held a leaders jersey (as the UCI's own rules state). And no way can motor technology be hidden in plain sight of qualified and experienced bike mechanics. Even mooted technology like magnetic wheels.

From what we know the Bikes are not checked regularly and not checked thoroughly enough. The tablets are a joke. Chris Marshall-Bell said in his podcast that he contacted race organisers who in turn told him that there were no controls on some stages of the Giro. For example at the TT. No controls at all and often they only use the tablets.

The UCI president himself has doubts about the controls and one of the inventors of motor doping Stefano Varjas said 10 years ago that you can only find his motors if you take the bikes apart. The technology has evolved and it would not be the first time in history that dopers are not detected by the UCI.

 

[Froome]

Putting words in my mouth don't give your post more credibility. I agree with some things you wrote, he is doping and I'm pretty sure no one will catch him because he is the face of cycling. Just like Bolt or Phelps never got caught.
And you should be more cautious when you say I don't follow cycling for too long. Why do you write things like that? It is again to win the argument? I'm very aware of Armstrong and his career. I was a big fan of him.

Why you are not a fan of Armstrong anymore? There is no reason from somebody who was a fan of him, suddendly not being his fan anymore.

If i were a big fan of Armstrong, i would "demand" the 7 Tours France back, who were unfairly taken from him. It is probably one of the biggest injustices in the history of sport.

 

[Cookster15]

From what we know the Bikes are not checked regularly and not checked thoroughly enough. The tablets are a joke. Chris Marshall-Bell said in his podcast that he contacted race organisers who in turn told him that there were no controls on some stages of the Giro. For example at the TT. No controls at all and often they only use the tablets.

The UCI president himself has doubts about the controls and one of the inventors of motor doping Stefano Varjas said 10 years ago that you can only find his motors if you take the bikes apart. The technology has evolved and it would not be the first time in history that dopers are not detected by the UCI.

So who is asking Lappartient why bikes are not being taken apart? The UCI's own rules on motor doping say they should be?

The UCI unveils its programme to combat doping and technological fraud for the 2024 Tour de France

www.uci.org

 

[DONCA]

So who is asking Lappartient why bikes are not being taken apart? The UCI's own rules on motor doping say they should be?

The UCI unveils its programme to combat doping and technological fraud for the 2024 Tour de France

www.uci.org

Good question. He has already been confronted in the podcast. He says that it is very time-consuming. There he says also that they are in the process of developing new control processes, as the current processes do not rule out the possibility of motor doping being used. Those are his words.

But ultimately they can do what they want as they are the only body authorised to control the bikes.

It is inexplicable to me that there is so little and inadequate control. There is really only one question I have to ask myself. Are they really trying to find something or is it just to look like it fot the good image of the sport?

Above all, we must not forget that they only check 1 bike per rider, if at all. What about all the bike changes? Like the one from Pogacar at Roubaix, for example. Why did he change his bike at all? He didn't have a flat tyre. In general, we've seen a lot of bike changes in recent years where I, as an amateur, always ask myself how shitty these high-end racing bikes must be. I ride more than 10k a year and have a maximum of 2 punctures a year. How can it be that the professionals with better material change their bikes that often?

 

[Oldman]

This formula is silly to be honest specially in irregular climbs.

Any calculations on irregular and particularly switchback climbs are a guess at best. You need the rider's computer.
You're right, irregular climbs have varied wind exposures and constantly changing pitch that my Garmin can't track. Even the best cyclocomputer is fooled by covering trees and obstacles. If it came from the rider, who provided a neutral witness then I'd accept that data. I'd wager, particularly with those conditions that the rider is watching heart rate as it is a direct feed and not reliant on GPS. Red zone is RED ZONE. Wattage is history.

 

[Cookster15]

Good question. He has already been confronted in the podcast. He says that it is very time-consuming. There he says also that they are in the process of developing new control processes, as the current processes do not rule out the possibility of motor doping being used. Those are his words.

But ultimately they can do what they want as they are the only body authorised to control the bikes.

It is inexplicable to me that there is so little and inadequate control. There is really only one question I have to ask myself. Are they really trying to find something or is it just to look like it fot the good image of the sport?

Above all, we must not forget that they only check 1 bike per rider, if at all. What about all the bike changes? Like the one from Pogacar at Roubaix, for example. Why did he change his bike at all? He didn't have a flat tyre. In general, we've seen a lot of bike changes in recent years where I, as an amateur, always ask myself how shitty these high-end racing bikes must be. I ride more than 10k a year and have a maximum of 2 punctures a year. How can it be that the professionals with better material change their bikes that often?

Then the UCI is in breach of its own rules. Below is from the above linked UCI motor doping programme:

After each stage, checks will be carried out on bikes ridden by:

• the stage winner,
• riders wearing a leader’s jersey (yellow, green, polka dot, white),
• several randomly-selected riders, and
• any rider who gives rise to suspicion, for example following the pre-stage control, or incidents picked up by the UCI Video Commissaire.