Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Rackham]

It's true. Pogacar had a lot of doping question during his long reign in yellow in 2021. Also in 2023 with Vingo after the miraclous TT. Now basically no rumours and no questions. There can be only one explanation: those guys must really be riding paniagua.

You could actually be right.

With that in mind maybe it's time someone checked what's really in their energy gels and water bidons...

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

You could actually be right.

With that in mind maybe it's time someone checked what's really in their energy gels and water bidons...

Electrolytes for example. It's in the word, they make them electric, this excess electricity is directed through the saddle into the motor to avoid an actual battery. Genius.

 

[yaco]

Guy wins 4th TDF, is current world champion and at post race interview the best formed question, hey do you know an ex employee over at Ineos and what he did years ago at Sky to get fired? You should know because he is from Slovania

Just as bad as asking Arensmann after his stage win a question about the Ineos soigneur. For heavens sake, the question is referring to events in 2012 which is outside the remit of Arensmaaa. Another case of journalists grandstanding!

 

[AlpRaid]

pog fans are real internet snowflakes.

why even come to this thread?
why go to the remco thread constantly just to belittle another rider and make misrepresentations?

and then they are so sensitive.

how hard is it to just stay in the race threads and their devoted pog thread?

 

[dr.eve]

pog fans are real internet snowflakes.

why even come to this thread?
why go to the remco thread constantly just to belittle another rider and make misrepresentations?

and then they are so sensitive.

how hard is it to just stay in the race threads and their devoted pog thread?

This all has to do with the GOAT-illness. In any sport people who worship a GOAT will say anything to defend that person and will belittle anyone else.

 

[Rackham]

pog fans are real internet snowflakes.

why even come to this thread?
why go to the remco thread constantly just to belittle another rider and make misrepresentations?

and then they are so sensitive.

how hard is it to just stay in the race threads and their devoted pog thread?

The very first thing a realistic cycling fan needs to do is square with what cycling always was.

In that respect I can't sit here and name a Tour de France champion in my lifetime who I believe did it 'clean' according to the rulebook definition of what clean is.

 

[AlpRaid]

This all has to do with the GOAT-illness. In any sport people who worship a GOAT will say anything to defend that person and will belittle anyone else.

it's very reminiscent of the armstrong fanboys who would berate anyone posting doubts.

and what happened there? lol.

 

[AlpRaid]

The very first thing a realistic cycling fan needs to do is square with what cycling always was.

In that respect I can't sit here and name a Tour de France champion in my lifetime who I believe did it 'clean' according to the rulebook definition of what clean is.

I guess you were born after 1990.

 

[kingjr]

pog fans are real internet snowflakes.

why even come to this thread?
why go to the remco thread constantly just to belittle another rider and make misrepresentations?

and then they are so sensitive.

how hard is it to just stay in the race threads and their devoted pog thread?

Several Remco and Roglic fans in this thread, too.

 

[Rackham]

I guess you were born after 1990.

A few years prior. When Laurent Fignon (RIP) spoke candidly about everything he did in the 80's and considering what we know about the stuff that happened in the 70's, I think a certain culture of performance at any cost relative to the era and available methods becomes apparent in cycling. As science evolved... so did the rocket fuel these riders abused.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Another yellow jersey in the books for Tadej. The palmares is starting to thicken up and the claim for 'GOAT' status is becoming more and more of a reality for every season that passes by. The ever increasing anti-doping tests doesn't faze him, he welcomes and clears them. They say he has a motor but the bicycle checks disagree, maybe the motor after all, are his legs pushing the pedals up Hautacam and Ventoux towards the pantheon of cycling.

 

[Unchained]

I get why you think asking Pogacar about Rozman, since their both Slovenian, is irrelevant to you. Because you appear to not know that Sagan is Slovakian and not Slovenian.

 

[AlpRaid]

A few years prior. When Laurent Fignon (RIP) spoke candidly about everything he did in the 80's and considering what we know about the stuff that happened in the 70's, I think a certain culture of performance at any cost relative to the era and available methods becomes apparent in cycling. As science evolved... so did the rocket fuel these riders abused.

fignon is not every rider.

but, yes, long history.

it is my belief there have been clean riders, and one in particular who won until rocket fuel appeared on the scene.

 

[Unchained]

I get why you think asking Pogacar about Rozman, since their both Slovenian, is irrelevant to you. Because you appear to not know that Sagan is Slovakian and not Slovenian.

You prove the point again, and over again,
I type in a list of absolutely ridiculous questions to Pogacar after leading, winning the TDF, for the forth time!! And after all the questions, you think that there was some geographical carelessness about Slovakia ,Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Scotland, Sudan!!
Peter Sagan's home country has nothing to do with Pogacar..or him winning..Being a chef,car dealer, golfer, hairdresser!! Why would any reporter ask Pogacar after winning questions about any of those silly completely unrelated subjects!

But yes I spelled Slovakia correctly when referring to Peter Sagan!!
And if Sagan won a race I wouldn't ask him about his feelings about were his country stood in WW2 or does he have strong opinions on the Ottoman empire!!

 

[bNator]

Back in those days, there was no real stigma around doping. It's basically a gradient, even in the early 90s to 00s the stigma wasn't that large. Social media didn't exist back then so the public shaming wasn't really a thing. The public outrage over Armstrong in many ways was orchestrated by mainstream media as a story to sell. These days the culture around pro-cycling from the publics perspective is extremely puritanical now, so the indictment of guilt or how bad doping is now is far greater than in the past.
I think there is a greater variation in how people of different countries perceive doping, with the US probably the most puritanical these days...South American countries and East European have a much more laissez faire attitude.

How convenient😁

 

[Unchained]

fignon is not every rider.

but, yes, long history.

it is my belief there have been clean riders, and one in particular who won until rocket fuel appeared on the scene.

There are 2 categories of riders, users and those not caught. Look no further than discussion, ruling and wiggle room for asthma medications, pain meds topical and taken as tablets, injections and most recently CO rebreathing devices.. Not outlawed but instead can be used with a bunch of pre use criteria..

 

[peterfin]

There are 2 categories of riders, users and those not caught. Look no further than discussion, ruling and wiggle room for asthma medications, pain meds topical and taken as tablets, injections and most recently CO rebreathing devices.. Not outlawed but instead can be used with a bunch of pre use criteria..

It's not all equal. Yes, there is probably a lot of stuff out there. There are things on the edge and over the edge. Then there are those that gain nothing, those that only have a placebo effect, those that gain something and the handful that make unusual jumps in progress, sometimes beyond what is physical possible, even accounting for all legal marginal gains. The latter signals a program, most likely with a part of the team involved. The clinic exists in the first place to discuss these cases, those potentially on a program, first of all because the indirect evidence is there (unexplainable performance jump) and second because we do want a sport that is at least somewhat "real" and where riders battle with similar means, knowing that some level of doping will always be part of the game.

 

[anti -e-bike]

You prove the point again, and over again,
I type in a list of absolutely ridiculous questions to Pogacar after leading, winning the TDF, for the forth time!! And after all the questions, you think that there was some geographical carelessness about Slovakia ,Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Scotland, Sudan!!
Peter Sagan's home country has nothing to do with Pogacar..or him winning..Being a chef,car dealer, golfer, hairdresser!! Why would any reporter ask Pogacar after winning questions about any of those silly completely unrelated subjects!

But yes I spelled Slovakia correctly when referring to Peter Sagan!!
And if Sagan won a race I wouldn't ask him about his feelings about were his country stood in WW2 or does he have strong opinions on the Ottoman empire!!

you took too much doping?
logic seems quite lost there
take care with the level of defending and ascending
the fall might be really uncomfortable

we got your pointless point

but very lazy thinking to skip all the other uncofortamble truths about slovenia
or in your case could be Indonesia or Kamtsjatka around 1173 A.D
territorial pissings

 

[anti -e-bike]

you took too much doping?
logic seems quite lost there
take care with the level of defending and ascending
the fall might be really uncomfortable

we got your pointless point

but very lazy thinking to skip all the other uncofortamble truths about slovenia
or in your case could be Indonesia or Kamtsjatka around 1173 A.D
territorial pissings

Milan Erzen/Operation Aderlass/Gianetti/Hauptman (see tour 2000) etc the list goes on
this is only the basics that is there out in the open
what is happening behind the (smoke) screen is the same story but on a another (complex) level
we can all gues the layers of lies

naivity is worse than lack of intelligence

 

[noob]

A few years prior. When Laurent Fignon (RIP) spoke candidly about everything he did in the 80's and considering what we know about the stuff that happened in the 70's, I think a certain culture of performance at any cost relative to the era and available methods becomes apparent in cycling. As science evolved... so did the rocket fuel these riders abused.

(OT) I always assumed that people who has been here for a looong time and are jaded (or bitter) were like really old

 

[Ripper]

I will go with it ..but there appears to be something humanitarian in the Tadej soul, he has helped half dozen get into a program and he has said he has a multi year friendship with Thymen Arensman, so if I am taking bets, a dirty employee of the team is different than Pogacar throwing shade on a friend, who just happened to take 2 out of 21 stages at TDF despite a cheesy support system!!. Surely his federation outreach helping young Slovenian racers progress might have a bump here or there.. Pogacar is responsible if someone staff or rider gets popped? Guy says every chance he gets he hates chitty weather.. Probably not in a hurry for cold winters.. I hope someone asks me about some recent criminal arrest in Scottsdale!! I am going to act like I know everything, everyone!!
The premise that Pogacar would want details, names about Ineos incest is absolutely crazy.. Why would he care!!?

Why in the world, meaning literally on the planet would a 26 year old professional athlete who lives primarily outside of Slovenia, travels extensively for his job ,spends months a year in buses, hotels and rental properties, airports and airplanes, spends 30-50 hours a week training and doing work related things, like testing, massage, cross training, stretching, yoga..why would that guy Pogacar randomly know, know about one of 2 million+ people in Slovenia?
That makes sense to you?
Western wasteland of knowledge is portraying Slovenia as a tiny village where everyone knows each other?
Why not ask Pogacar diet, dating habits, sexual orientation, travel or sleep habits of someone he doesn't know.. The answers to all of those crazy random questions will be as accurate.
If Pogacar being a gentleman, a professional is forced to answer a question about a random person that's wrong. If the" journalist" wanted to ask a question.. Don't load it up, make it a question, not a narrative..
Do you know Mr.X from Ineos? Pog answers no..everyone moves on..
the " journalist " goes on about scandal, doping, dismissal without first establishing if Pogacar even knows the guy.. Completely ridiculous!! Trying to tie Tadej to a guy he doesn't know because they come from the same country of 2+ million people is insane..
If someone walks up and says. I have a cousin named James who lives in Phoenix, Los Angeles, Dallas, Frankfurt, London, you just smile and walk away.. The statement \ question is stupid..
If the " journalist " wanted to ask Tadej if he knows ex Ineos employee.. OK.. It's a stretch but OK.. and when he answers no..end..not another add on..

Erm, because Rozman does have connections with staff around pogocar, that is why. It's more than one data point. If it was an American 'carer' and someone connected to staff at VLAB, then I think it would be fair game to ask Vingo. And they asked the ineos rider because the ineos press team and leadership boffed it big time.

Pog gets a comparatively easy ride of it with the media, he's not exactly getting attacked. I mean, how much has he been absolutely grilled for having a team principal like Gianetti? I don't think he has really faced a lot of heat and even with Rozman, he has not exactly been badgered. You sound like when it comes to a rider you favor, then you are 100% in support of omerta.

This is professional sports. It is entertainment. Part of it is dealing with the press and the press' questions. Personally, I don't think ay rider should not get asked doping related questions. And given the press training the pros get, and their salaries at the top, I think they can deal with it just fine.

 

[Ripper]

I'd understand the journalists reasoning if Rozman was a previous colleague to Pogacar but he's not so the only logical conslusion is that the question was asked to Pogacar because they're from the same country. Very bizarre that the journalist targeted Pogacar with such question and not Ineos riders whom are colleagues and personally know Rozman.

Umm, they did ask Arensman. It was awkward. Ineos basically threw him under the bus by not getting ahead of it or supporting him to be somewhat prepared.

 

[Ripper]

List of relevant questions to ask Tadej Pogacar after TDF victory:
Have you talked with Peter Sagan about his hotel occupancy rate?
Why did Time bicycles pick there current manufacturing location?
Are you good at golf? Are you thinking about switching from bike racing to pro golf for the 2027 season?
Have you ever considered a career as a professional chef? That's a tradition in Slovenia right?
Do you have plans to enter the priesthood? They have priests in Slovenia right?
Have you ever thought about opening a Grenadier car dealership in Slovenia? You do know about Ineos right?

Here is another one: "is it an issue for you, as a clean athlete, racing for Mauro Gianetti, who has a shady history himself when it comes to racing, and of course famously has led numerous teams where there were doping scandals? Please expand on your answers"

 

[Ripper]

He doesn't know him well enough to get a massage from him.

That would be next level knowledge

 

[yaco]

Erm, because Rozman does have connections with staff around pogocar, that is why. It's more than one data point. If it was an American 'carer' and someone connected to staff at VLAB, then I think it would be fair game to ask Vingo. And they asked the ineos rider because the ineos press team and leadership boffed it big time.

Pog gets a comparatively easy ride of it with the media, he's not exactly getting attacked. I mean, how much has he been absolutely grilled for having a team principal like Gianetti? I don't think he has really faced a lot of heat and even with Rozman, he has not exactly been badgered. You sound like when it comes to a rider you favor, then you are 100% in support of omerta.

This is professional sports. It is entertainment. Part of it is dealing with the press and the press' questions. Personally, I don't think ay rider should not get asked doping related questions. And given the press training the pros get, and their salaries at the top, I think they can deal with it just fine.

Nah. they asked Arensmann because they were grandstanding. They knew full well that he could shed no light on events of 2012. I'll also add they are mean-spirited people who took away the joy of Arensmann's victory.