Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Cookster15]

4:25, slow down the video.
What the hell is he touching with his left thumb (and maybe his right one, too)? What the hell is he touching?
It's the same strange movement seen at Fleche and tdf.

View: https://youtu.be/1WaIa5tLaQo?si=v74l2y4vQOaVrHRr&t=262



However, he was not credible in 2021, 2022, 2023. with the PDBF 2020, "coal miner".

Occum’s Razor says he is shifting.

Anyway someone should send a letter to the UCI asking if they inspected Pog’s bike according to their own motor doping regs. I’d be surprised if they didn’t for a monument. And nothing is stopping other teams asking the same questions behind the scene - after all they are the ones potentially losing sponsorship money.

 

[Ripper]

The photo in that post is clearly a grimace. Obviously you missed that when watching live. Yes maybe nearer the top. But that is also where the effort of his attack would show as the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic and lactic acid energy systems.

It was also not a seated attack as others complain of.

Again, of course I think he is doping so our concern here is unfair advantages. I just prefer to try to be objective. A lot of stuff gets posted in The Clinic which isn’t.

I get that the photo shows a grimace! 🤣 But if it was near the top of the climb, wasn't that like 4-5 kilometers after his attack? My point was that typically after a strong effort you will see signs of heavier breathing/physical compensation, especially if you continue to ride hard. This is important because it suggests Pog could have gone much harder if he needed to.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I get that the photo shows a grimace! 🤣 But if it was near the top of the climb, wasn't that like 4-5 kilometers after his attack? My point was that typically after a strong effort you will see signs of heavier breathing/physical compensation, especially if you continue to ride hard. This is important because it suggests Pog could have gone much harder if he needed to.

Pog hardly ever breathes very hard. Recently I saw it during his Rwanda TT so maybe high altitude hit him hard there. It's also true that if you breathe too hard you are too much into the red and your effort intensity is impossible to continue for long.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

The photo in that post is clearly a grimace. Obviously you missed that when watching live. Yes maybe nearer the top. But that is also where the effort of his attack would show as the body switches from anaerobic to aerobic and lactic acid energy systems.

It was also not a seated attack as others complain of.

Again, of course I think he is doping so our concern here is unfair advantages. I just prefer to try to be objective. A lot of stuff gets posted in The Clinic which isn’t.

Who cares?
The point remains that he dominates everywhere all the time against any opposition and beats them by a large margin and this season they crush the number of team victories without a decent sprinter...

 

[Cookster15]

Who cares?
The point remains that he dominates everywhere all the time against any opposition and beats them by a large margin and this season they crush the number of team victories without a decent sprinter...

Plenty. I merely responded to a comment claiming Pogacar showed no pain or effort when he attacked. Clearly untrue.

Take it to the UCI or a journalist you are not going to solve Pogacar or Gianetti here.

I’ve also challenged the meme of the OP that as a yet to turn 20 year old he had achieved nothing before he came to UAE. Few do at that age, even those you presumably believe in. Paul Seixas is an outlier.

 

[Stablo]

The difference between Pogacar in TTs and RRs is something that needs explanation beyond a simple "he is better on a road bike" answer. In an RR he attacks 40, 50, 70, 80 km and gains a minute or more on the best TT rider in decades and in a 20, 30, 40 km TT it's basically the opposite. The difference in aerodynamics between a TT setup and RR setup cannot explain the difference. Pogacar spend a lot of time in windtunnels too. Pogacar's attack during a RR with superior climb speed is also only part of the story as it only explains part of the time gap. So it basically must come down to difference in performance decline during a +200 km race? But this is strange too because the attack on the climb should deplete the reserves of Pogacar faster while Remco has exceptional recovery too during a hard race. So what makes Pogacar the better TT rider during the final of a RR while he is so far off in a TT? Merckx excelled at both. Remco excels at both (relative to everyone except Pogacar as we have seen during his last 3 RRs). Pogacar needs the road bike to excel.

This is truly strange and have also mentioned it before. In the WC the difference was hilarious, a few training days and a week between doesn't explain that. If you leave the ridicilous watt bombs in the climbs behind, it's truly unbeliavable how well he can maintain and open up a gap to everyone else on the flat and rolling terrain, specially to an aerobullet like Remco. Yesterday wasn't even that attritional before the attack, that it should be some recovery thing. It just doesn't make any sense when you compare how the two riders look on the bike.

 

[Stablo]

there are buttons (usually used for shifting) in di2 shifter on top of hoods Pogi has... now of course for the cult around here, this is just a perfect excuse, cause they will say oh how nice, they just re-programmed the buttons to control the motor ^^

I don’t think the pressing the buttons necessary explains anything, but at least i haven't seen others doing it so clearly almost every time they attack. What is more of a cult, the ones that believe this all year around super form and "Landises" or the once that thing something is seriously rotten.

 

[Stablo]

Pog hardly ever breathes very hard. Recently I saw it during his Rwanda TT so maybe high altitude hit him hard there. It's also true that if you breathe too hard you are too much into the red and your effort intensity is impossible to continue for long.

Or is it only cause of the TT-bike, that he really needs to make an effort for once😉

 

[Revelation]

Lol thank you for your attention to this matter and for completely missing the point. I am so glad you are happy with the current "situation" 😍like I said, even the state of the forum has gone bad. (I still really hope I don't get banned again for saying how I feel😅)

You should react with to a couple more thousand posts, that is sure to turn the forum around. Keep up the good work.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This constant thinking on doping, totally ignoring his change of coach is what makes this thread unreadable sometimes.
Is he doping? Of course. Nothing changed after 2023 when we talk about doping. But I can assure you his training methods improved massively but some here just like to hate and try to ignore his change in coaching at all costs.