Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Peyroteo94]

You can challenge whatever you want. Pre-UAE Pogacar was above average at best. Just compare his results to Primozic who is 3 months younger.

Tadej Pogačar versus Jaka Primožič | Same race results

Comparison of results between Tadej PogaÄar and Jaka PrimožiÄ in races where they both started.

www.procyclingstats.com

Remco's biggest rival, in juniors, retired...

 

[BubbaChuck]

my man still didnot get the point and he is showing primozic,lmaooo.sure,jail pogacar.

 

[DONCA]

The change of coach came at the right time (end of 2023) to justify Pogi's abnormal development.
This provided a suitable narrative to justify this abnormal increase in performance.

I'm not denying that a change of coach can improve performance. Of course it can. But it's highly unlikely that his performance improved by around 10% at this level.

Are they seriously trying to take us for fools by telling us that Pogacar did not do any heat training before Sola and no proper altitude training? That is the most ridiculous fairy tale I have heard in recent years. Almost every amateur knows about the benefits of heat training and altitude training, and San Millan apparently knew nothing about it?

Then why is he still active and working with UAE riders if he's such an amateur? That's completely contradictory.

The change of coach came at just the right time to silence critical voices. At the same time (end of 2023), Twitter user Mou also began to explain Pogis' performance with the change of coach. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

The UAE machine runs like clockwork, even on the internet. Whether it's deleting negative comments about Pogacar or journalists etc. who invented the GOAT nonsense. or reacting to negative comments.
I don't even think it's a coincidence that seated attacks became less frequent as more and more critical comments pointing this out appeared. The critical voices grew louder, and shortly afterwards he began to get out of the saddle more and more. UAE is doing damage control and critical voices are helping them sometimes.

It's wrong to say that Pogacar has always been so consistently strong. Have you already forgotten ‘I'm done, I'm dead’? Have you already forgotten how red he turned? Before 2024, Pogacar was still a ‘normal’ athlete who showed signs of fatigue. Nothing like that can be seen anymore. Now we have to look at a Pogacar who is always in peak form, who doesn't even sweat when he crosses the finish line first and who can do whatever he wants. Even on flat courses where he should actually be at a disadvantage against the big FTP machines like MVDP.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The change of coach came at the right time (end of 2023) to justify Pogi's abnormal development.
This provided a suitable narrative to justify this abnormal increase in performance.

I'm not denying that a change of coach can improve performance. Of course it can. But it's highly unlikely that his performance improved by around 10% at this level.

Are they seriously trying to take us for fools by telling us that Pogacar did not do any heat training before Sola and no proper altitude training? That is the most ridiculous fairy tale I have heard in recent years. Almost every amateur knows about the benefits of heat training and altitude training, and San Millan apparently knew nothing about it?

Then why is he still active and working with UAE riders if he's such an amateur? That's completely contradictory.

The change of coach came at just the right time to silence critical voices. At the same time (end of 2023), Twitter user Mou also began to explain Pogis' performance with the change of coach. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

The UAE machine runs like clockwork, even on the internet. Whether it's deleting negative comments about Pogacar or journalists etc. who invented the GOAT nonsense. or reacting to negative comments.
I don't even think it's a coincidence that seated attacks became less frequent as more and more critical comments pointing this out appeared. The critical voices grew louder, and shortly afterwards he began to get out of the saddle more and more. UAE is doing damage control and critical voices are helping them sometimes.

It's wrong to say that Pogacar has always been so consistently strong. Have you already forgotten ‘I'm done, I'm dead’? Have you already forgotten how red he turned? Before 2024, Pogacar was still a ‘normal’ athlete who showed signs of fatigue. Nothing like that can be seen anymore. Now we have to look at a Pogacar who is always in peak form, who doesn't even sweat when he crosses the finish line first and who can do whatever he wants. Even on flat courses where he should actually be at a disadvantage against the big FTP machines like MVDP.

Who talked about altitude training??? Lying to fit your narrative is not a good indicator of cleverness.
Pogacar didn't make adaptations to the heat. Doping can't justify why he was so good in cold conditions and dropped some watts in very hot weather.

 

[Ripper]

Lol. Of course his training changed too, but non-dope factors don't lift someone already so good so much.

When do you think he started using CO?

+1000

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Remco's biggest rival, in juniors, retired...

Yeah, Vacek should have joined UAE.
Have you checked the rest of his opposition in 2018? Van Wilder, Girmay, Plapp, Fancellu, Tiberi, Waerenskjold...
Not that bad.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah, Vacek should have joined UAE.
Have you checked the rest of his opposition in 2018? Van Wilder, Girmay, Plapp, Fancellu, Tiberi, Waerenskjold...
Not that bad.

So you are a Remco fan, this is very telling. Do you want to see who Pogacar beated in Avenir?

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

So you are a Remco fan, this is very telling. Do you want to see who Pogacar beated in Avenir?

That race after he joined UAE and suddenly started winning?

 

[BubbaChuck]

its hilarius that mostly remco fans,jonas ones know whats up,lmaoo.remco needs riis program on any climb,lets be serious.remco been on juice long time now,almost seixas level.thye start early in fra nad belgium.

 

[DONCA]

Who talked about altitude training??? Lying to fit your narrative is not a good indicator of cleverness.
Pogacar didn't make adaptations to the heat. Doping can't justify why he was so good in cold conditions and dropped some watts in very hot weather.

Tour de France : le plan sans failles de Tadej Pogacar

Programme de courses, stage en altitude, travail en contre-la-montre : la domination sans partage de Tadej Pogacar sur ce Tour peut, en partie, s'expliquer par une approche savamment orchestrée par son staff.

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People were saying that he did not much altitude training compared to other riders. This is what i meant with no proper altitude training. But anyway it doesn´t change the fact that this training story is a bit stinky. If san Milan would be such a bad coach he wouldn´t work anymore for UAE.

The critical voices will continue to grow. Even within the peloton, there are already a few riders who are expressing their doubts, at least in private.

But you do a good job protecting Pogi

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Even within the peloton, there are already a few riders who are expressing their doubts, at least in private.

Which leaves us wondering how you know about it...

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

my man still didnot get the point and he is showing primozic,lmaooo.sure,jail pogacar.

Your comrade 'gianetti the goat' wanted to compare his pre-UAE results to Primozic's for some strange reason.

People were saying that he did not much altitude training compared to other riders. This is what i meant with no proper altitude training. But anyway it doesn´t change the fact that this training story is a bit stinky. If san Milan would be such a bad coach he wouldn´t work anymore for UAE.

San Millan is a horrible coach. It's been confirmed that Pog didn't do any heat training under his guidance. He started doing that with Sola.

All current studies show that prolonged heat training increases Hb mass by as much as 42 grams, with each g increase in total Hb mass is associated with an ~4 ml/min increase in VO2max

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Your comrade 'gianetti the goat' wanted to compare his pre-UAE results to Primozic's for some strange reason.

Did you actually see how often he was beaten by Primozic?
It's rather important as some of you refer to the immense talent of Pogacar and if they can't find it pre-UAE, they refer to his late date of birth or him not coming from a large cycling nation.
Yet, somehow younger Primozic beat generational talent Pogacar frequently.
Pre-UAE Pogacar, of course.

 

[Salvarani]

I'm starting to wonder if some of the users posting the most ridiculous comments are being paid by Pog or UAE to employ reverse psychology

This just shows what some are suggesting to be absolutely laughable.

He was always much better.

Excellent way of showing that.

 

[kingjr]

Did you actually see how often he was beaten by Primozic?
It's rather important as some of you refer to the immense talent of Pogacar and if they can't find it pre-UAE, they refer to his late date of birth or him not coming from a large cycling nation.
Yet, somehow younger Primozic beat generational talent Pogacar frequently.
Pre-UAE Pogacar, of course.

You misspelled "occasionally."

 

[Stablo]

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View: https://x.com/jwoodmwq/status/1977140241011183747?s=19

This is something I would like to see and the 450w is even a bit less, that he apparently did on Ganda after a long season. Honestly I seriously believe he couldn't replicate the numbers he puts out on the Colnago roadbike.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

I'm starting to wonder if some of the users posting the most ridiculous comments are being paid by Pog or UAE to employ reverse psychology

Such a nice selection. You're a very honest person.
Way to go to skip Pogs junior years to prove a point.
Fortunatly this forum has an ignore function.

 

[SHAD0W93]

They managed to go past that for Armstrong, but I don't recall why exactly.

USADA submitted the results be stripped to UCI due to how severe Armstrong’s doping was, bullying others to dope, and being the ringleader. Armstrong asked UCI to not contest it because he was hoping the USADA wouldn’t release the results if he didn’t contest their decision and could play the victim from a witch hunt and unfair court process. What he didn’t know is USADA could release the results still due to their issues with Hamilton in the past, so they still released it. After this UCI agreed with the decision and did not appeal it with CAS and WADA didn’t appeal the decision at a later date either. So it sounds like UCI was trying to save face due to their collusion with Armstrong from the report.

 

[BubbaChuck]

he is pushing 500 wats on recon,why.

 

[BubbaChuck]

pog is pushing more than estimation,not less,lmao.right noew he is pushing 500 watts easy,lmaoo.he could destroy peleton to alevel never seen.

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

The dude comes up with a narrative that Vingegaard couldn't beat Dani Martinez by 10 minutes in a three-week race without breaking a sweat.

That's the level here, folks.

I know this might not be evident at first sight, but this guy seems to be a true believer in Pogacar, so that's indeed the level here, but from some of his fans, not his critics.

 

[Cookster15]

You can challenge whatever you want. Pre-UAE Pogacar was above average at best. Just compare his results to Primozic who is 3 months younger.

Tadej Pogačar versus Jaka Primožič | Same race results

Comparison of results between Tadej PogaÄar and Jaka PrimožiÄ in races where they both started.

www.procyclingstats.com

Pre UAE Pogacxar was a teenager (junior). But maybe Primozic* wasn't a good example ?

*I looked at others who beat him in junior races, other than a few like Marc Hirschi or Lennard Kämna, none of those riders are a top pro today. There is poor correlation between junior results and result at senior level - that's what results show and sports science also suggests we can't predict with certainty elite level based upon junior level. The data shows you can have a career as a pro but it doesn't suggest you will be the best at professional level.

Paul Seixas is an outlier. But Pogacar won the Tour at just 22.

Before 2024, Pogacar was still a ‘normal’ athlete who showed signs of fatigue. Nothing like that can be seen anymore

Nothing? I agree his level right through the year is suspect but not his appearance of not suffering which is hugely subjective and unscientific.

LR did a good write-up on GdL - below. The photo shows a little fatigue yes? Again this was taken during his attack on Passo di Ganda. Some here seem to have missed that grimace when they watched the race? Of course by the finish line he is likely at or even slightly below his threshold not significantly over threshold like when making the attack.

He also showed fatigue in the 2024 Tour on several occasions but I guess we see (or don't see) what we want.

Pogačar Shatters Records on Passo di Ganda | Il Lombardia 2025 - Lanterne Rouge

Without anyone challenging him, Tadej Pogačar won his fifth consecutive Il Lombardia, destroying the previous Passo di Ganda…

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