Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Stablo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977020352032305540

View: https://x.com/Lv_Cycling/status/1977020352032305540?s=19

If you are tired with the UAE&pog clownshow like i am, here is something to entertain you over the long winter months. Also imho it is absolutely astonishing how differently pog climbs with the TT-bike than the road one. I get the setup, position etc is different, but the gap shouldn't be this enermous. Where are the 450-500 watts 20 minutes efforts on TT-bike and the solo quality he has on the roadbike, often for tens of kilometers in a row.

 

[Divergence]

So how many times do you think normal peds are being used and not being caught? Motors are there and the technology has advanced massively since the first inside the tube battery was made in the late 90s. Even since the bust of Femke Van den Driessche almost ten years back, the size of batteries have gone down and power up. And this is only the technology that is publicly available. You have a smartphone, how did they look over 20 years back? So how can you be sure that something is not being used in a UAE owned Colnago, when there are also the monster watts, attacks, UCI sponsoring and never dropping form. I also think that the UAE team with Gianetti, Matxin and other fraudsters wouldn't have any problem morally using some sophisticated e-assistance.

You can think/believe whatever you want. The truth is that there is zero evidence of him using e-bikes.
I believe that there is a huge difference between PEDs and using motors. Sure, PEDs are still being used and people are rarely getting caught. Also, there are many procedures sportsmen are undertaking which fall into the so called gray area. And, sure, I believe Pog is fully utilizing everything at his disposal.
I also believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and probably top 3 sportsmen ever (although this is difficult to judge).
I cannot reliably say how would the relative dominance levels compare if everybody were panyagua, but my song believe is that Pog would be head and shoulders above everybody regardless.

 

[SorelyBoy]

So how many times do you think normal peds are being used and not being caught? Motors are there and the technology has advanced massively since the first inside the tube battery was made in the late 90s. Even since the bust of Femke Van den Driessche almost ten years back, the size of batteries have gone down and power up. And this is only the technology that is publicly available. You have a smartphone, how did they look over 20 years back? So how can you be sure that something is not being used in a UAE owned Colnago, when there are also the monster watts, attacks, UCI sponsoring and never dropping form. I also think that the UAE team with Gianetti, Matxin and other fraudsters wouldn't have any problem morally using some sophisticated e-assistance.

I mean, isn’t it obvious by now? They probably don’t even need the PEDs. And again, it’s the unexpected one off isolated and unexpected drops in performance that give the game away. To merely argue that it’s ‘incontheivable’ is to ignore the empirical evidence and the factual context.

 

[Stablo]

You can think/believe whatever you want. The truth is that there is zero evidence of him using e-bikes.
I believe that there is a huge difference between PEDs and using motors. Sure, PEDs are still being used and people are rarely getting caught. Also, there are many procedures sportsmen are undertaking which fall into the so called gray area. And, sure, I believe Pog is fully utilizing everything at his disposal.
I also believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and probably top 3 sportsmen ever (although this is difficult to judge).
I cannot reliably say how would the relative dominance levels compare if everybody were panyagua, but my song believe is that Pog would be head and shoulders above everybody regardless.

Pog wouldn't be head and shoulders above everyone if they all were riding on paniaqua. The team behind him and his transformation first after joining UAE and then again in 23/24 winter is enough to judge on that. So just another one who thinks his goldenboy can't be cheating on a higher level than others, oh the memories from Armstrong era. In a state sponsored team lead by possible the dirtiest backround team in cyclings history, well everyone is allowed to believe what they want.

 

[SorelyBoy]

You can think/believe whatever you want. The truth is that there is zero evidence of him using e-bikes.
I believe that there is a huge difference between PEDs and using motors. Sure, PEDs are still being used and people are rarely getting caught. Also, there are many procedures sportsmen are undertaking which fall into the so called gray area. And, sure, I believe Pog is fully utilizing everything at his disposal.
I also believe that Pog is the best cyclist ever and probably top 3 sportsmen ever (although this is difficult to judge).
I cannot reliably say how would the relative dominance levels compare if everybody were panyagua, but my song believe is that Pog would be head and shoulders above everybody regardless.

I was you once. Twenty years ago. I thought Armstrong was the greatest living sportsman. Then I got my eyes opened. And Pogacar is making what Armstrong did look like amateur hour. There’s not a cat in hell’s chance any of it is real and it sure as hell isn’t sport.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No.
Even if I knew, I wouldn't be stupid enough to post it here, sorry.

But hey if you want to know more about hidden motors you can contact the monegasque company hps.
Very friendly people.

The World’s lightest e-bike system :: HPS Sarl

HPS design and develop world-class technology using Formula 1 engineering fused with a passion for cycling.

hps-bike.com

Or even better just come to Monaco like this you can also meet Pogi in his fav bakery

I've trekked a lot in the Alps but never been to the Maritime Alps. Maybe I should to go there, do some nice hikes and ask Pogi what's really going on.

 

[hrotha]

I was you once. Twenty years ago. I thought Armstrong was the greatest living sportsman. Then I got my eyes opened. And Pogacar is making what Armstrong did look like amateur hour. There’s not a cat in hell’s chance any of it is real and it sure as hell isn’t sport.

Why are you replying to "I think Pogačar's performance is adequately explained by PEDs" with "you're so naïve to think Pogačar is clean"

 

[DONCA]

Talking about Armstrong. Look at this video.

What was he always pressing under his saddle? Did his bum itch?

The motor allegedly used by Lance Armstrong to cheat

The latest scandal to surround ex-cyclist Lance Armstrong is the accusation of having used technological doping during some of the sport's biggest events. The American was strippe

www.marca.com

 

[kingjr]

Talking about Armstrong. Look at this video.

What was he always pressing under his saddle? Did his bum itch?

The motor allegedly used by Lance Armstrong to cheat

The latest scandal to surround ex-cyclist Lance Armstrong is the accusation of having used technological doping during some of the sport's biggest events. The American was strippe

www.marca.com

Probably the same thing he's "pressing" here at 5:32

View: https://youtu.be/QBSUc6yV-rA?si=uYWMzYEpV4g7voHb&t=331

 

[topcat]

Oh, no. Not the moto doping again .

Can we sign a petition to bring Benotti and a few of the other legends back to the forum of love?

 

[topcat]

Any moderator is one because they have been a long standing member of the forum, which will only be the case if they have a high level of interest in the sport and something to say about it. Unless acting as a moderator (and it is usually very clear if we are), we have exactly the same rights to express an opinion here as any one else.

I'm a Nibali fan. Suppose I was a mod during Nibali's heyday. If I treated Nibali fans better than anti-Nibali posters, then that would be wrong.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I'm a Nibali fan. Suppose I was a mod during Nibali's heyday. If I treated Nibali fans better than anti-Nibali posters, then that would be wrong.

Of course it would be, but nobody is even suggesting that that is what is at play here. Moderators can still have preferences, but would be expected to put those aside when adjudicating on posts. Of course, if anyone did believe that a moderator were acting out of bias, it shouldn't be raised on the public forum, but challenged in PM or addressed to an admin or to community@futurenet.com.

The post I quoted seemed to say that becoming a moderator excludes somebody from being confident about their opinions when posting in a manner when their moderator status is irrelevant.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Which leaves us wondering how you know about it...

Because some of us have friends/family members that are directly involved in cycling or cyclists themselves. Since I was born (50 years ago) I've had direct connections to cycling.

My father's best friend who died from complications from doping was a former neo-pro in the Merckx era.
One of his other friends was a muckity muck for a long time in Swiss cycling

My best friend has been a race announcer for the Tour de France and ASO events for about 15+ years and still is working as an announcer.

He sent me a personalized signed white jersey from Remco as a favor because I have stage IV cancer.

I've never brought anything I've heard from them to this board because they'd stop trusting me. My best friend mostly sends me photos before races from Le Tour and other cycling events. Occasionally I also get archery photos from the Olympics as he also does coverage there and has been since Vancouver 2012.

 

[Divergence]

Pog wouldn't be head and shoulders above everyone if they all were riding on paniaqua. The team behind him and his transformation first after joining UAE and then again in 23/24 winter is enough to judge on that. So just another one who thinks his goldenboy can't be cheating on a higher level than others, oh the memories from Armstrong era. In a state sponsored team lead by possible the dirtiest backround team in cyclings history, well everyone is allowed to believe what they want.

How is that enough to judge anything? How would you know how other would theoretically perform? It is a senseless discussion anyway...
Armstrong's cheating was not on a higher level than everybody. They were just more dedicated as a team. Nothing other teams could not do.

I was you once. Twenty years ago. I thought Armstrong was the greatest living sportsman. Then I got my eyes opened. And Pogacar is making what Armstrong did look like amateur hour. There’s not a cat in hell’s chance any of it is real and it sure as hell isn’t sport.

Well, I do not like Armstrong's personality either, but he was a damn good sportsmen. Drugs or no drugs...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Because some of us have friends/family members that are directly involved in cycling or cyclists themselves. Since I was born (50 years ago) I've had direct connections to cycling.

My father's best friend who died from complications from doping was a former neo-pro in the Merckx era.
One of his other friends was a muckity muck for a long time in Swiss cycling

My best friend has been a race announcer for the Tour de France and ASO events for about 15+ years and still is working as an announcer.

He sent me a personalized signed white jersey from Remco as a favor because I have stage IV cancer.

I've never brought anything I've heard from them to this board because they'd stop trusting me. My best friend mostly sends me photos before races from Le Tour and other cycling events. Occasionally I also get archery photos from the Olympics as he also does coverage there and has been since Vancouver 2012.

OK: I wasn't the one challenging Donca when he replied with his source of knowledge.
All the best with your health issues.