Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Lorzenz08]

I have never understood the argument of people saying Pogi isn't a generational talent because he didn't dominate when he was 18 years old.
He is already the youngest TdF winner in like 100 years, but OH MY GOD he didn't dominate when he was 18...

Seixas didn't dominate when he was 17yo ! What next is it going to be ? If you don't dominate when you are 16yo, it means you are not a generational talent ?

 

[dr.eve]

Guys, let's stop asking questions and just embrace this magnificent era of superheroes/metahumans/mutants/whatever. They are simply that good: not just Teddy (the alpha of superheroes) but also Van der Poel, Vingegaard, Evenepoel...

I mean people don't suspect demigods (like Superman or Wonder Woman) of doping. It would be ridiculous.

Nahh pass.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Its hard to do doping discussion without numbers,lmaoo.cycling debate still stuck in old ways.this feels like basketball debate 20 yaers ago.

 

[Squire]

Seixas didn't dominate when he was 17yo !

He did, actually.

 

[Extinction]

I still remember the story about a Slovenian talent scout at a junior race in Slovenia. He showed up when the circuit race was already on and got into the director's car. At this point there was a break composed of 17-18 year-old riders, iirc, when from behind the 15 year-old Pogacar suddenly appeared. Looking out the rear window, the talent scout said something to the effect of let's hope the young wipper snapper catches up. Only to be told by the others in the car, catches up? He is about to lap them! At the same time, however, Pogacar didn't dominate the international junior field. He did not come close to winning Junior Worlds, for example. And while he did go on to win the Tour d'Avenir, there wasn't any indication at the time that he would become the "new Merckx" until Saroni got word of him and then hooking up with Gianetti at UAE.

 

[aphronesis]

Most of the posts are pure or at least partially creationism, continuing to elaborate about a crime, a crime nobody is even accused of let alone convicted of, and the list of co conspirators is endless.
Bora knows that Pogacar is dirty but need to gently, secretly negotiate with UCI in a backroom in seclusion.

ITA knows but are staying quiet.. Because..

Races( dozens, dozens) of races that don't use ITA are also in on the conspiracy and are not even going to accuse UAE, Pogacar of a crime for one of multiple reasons fear, payment or wanting to push the Pogacar world domination narrative.

In the US we have a popular game show named Wheel of Fortune, based on a roulette wheel which is arbitrarily subdivided with dollar values, misc prizes and penalties, including bankrupt and lose your turn.
The idea that a roulette wheel with Pogacar accomplishments since @2017 and those are his positives, which is tests from wins, podiums, random and then out of competition tests. All those on the roulette wheel.. and many posts are of some premise that Pogacar continues to spin the wheel and he has never been caught for anything, by anyone, anywhere since 2017 and it's some hypersonic version of omerta.
Can someone, an organization be that lucky?
Can a rider in the post Armstrong spotlight really avoid everything since 2017? Sounds sort of sci-fi that would be possible.
Tadej Pogacar has not been accused of ,or convicted of anything. Sounds more somber, sobering. He is not a criminal, that's a fake news, it didn't happen, but much of the discussion is as if it's a given that he is guilty of something. And Pogacar is certainly not complaining or upset with due process, he has happily lived with due process results since 2017.

Well given military actions, for example, within the world and interior, why can’t cycling dope away?

 

[Rob5091]

If anyone is feeling brave, there's a great deal of digging to do on UAE and Slovenian contacts going back a whiles.