Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ashhutch1997]

*** that give me Sky back. They were boring like 1 GT and the Dauphine per year and the rest they sometimes lost, sometimes did something funny, and in classics they were usually just nowhere.

Facts.

 

[AlpRaid]

…and when he loses this thread is as quiet as a library…

When did he last lose? Cant remember. Certainly not since mega-transform after 2023 loss to Vingo.

 

[canina82]

When did he last lose? Cant remember. Certainly not since mega-transform after 2023 loss to Vingo.

Vingegaard and Remco also did a mega transform according to your argument (10% increase in numbers).

 

[aphronesis]

Vingegaard and Remco also did a mega transform according to your argument (10% increase in numbers).

How does that change anything in regard to all three?

 

[burning]

The user that instigated this discussion is one, and his post has led to multiple responses. The same of course goes for the non-clinic thread where haters like me contribute a lot, too.

Well, the non-clinic rider threads always lean sychopantic and fan-type folks, that's nothing new tbh.

I remember a lot of Sky fans in clinic explaining how their performance is super clean for years and years while producing 3 rather absurd British Tour winners in 7 years, I really don't see that level of fandom in clinic or in other places like reddit, I feel like people enjoy the freakshow performances and the insanity of what he is pulling race after race.

 

[Rob5091]

He wasn't sacking off as much he was crashing out.

LRP had a bad habit of not making it past the first week in GT's ...

 

[Rob5091]

Even though the peloton is going faster every year, Pogi can still ride away from everyone with 50 km to go.
(https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...ed-as-average-pace-reaches-new-all-time-high/

ProCyclingStats has tracked WorldTour speeds since 2001, and the shift in recent years is remarkable. Between 2001 (40.015 km/h) and 2020 (40.437 km/h), the average barely changed. Since the pandemic season, though, speeds have climbed year after year: 41.286 km/h in 2022, 41.807 km/h in 2023, 42.229 km/h in 2024 and now 42.874 km/h in 2025. That means the peloton now rides 6 per cent faster than just five years ago.

 

[Abedfo]

Very curious pattern whenever Pogacar wins this thread blows up and when he loses this thread is as quiet as a library despite Pogacar pushing the same ''doping'' numbers you all claim. Paris-Roubaix 2025.

Just out of interest what makes you think he isn't doping ?

 

[meat puppet]

Even though the peloton is going faster every year, Pogi can still ride away from everyone with 50 km to go.
(https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...ed-as-average-pace-reaches-new-all-time-high/

Turns out that sky era performance hallmarks (pillows, swimming workouts, hand washing, and pineapple flavoured water) are no match to hahaha era magical gains such as food.

More generally, the point is not that Pogo is the only one doing batcrap performances. It's that most top riders are, and yet he clubs them at any kind of prestigious race, often with ease. So one has to explain the general rise in the performance level as well as him specifically rising a level above that.

But of course Mr IQ knew that (because of the IQ).

 

[Abedfo]

It's pretty clear as day that he's doping but my mind always circles back to why he didn't compete at the Olympics. And its the simple fact they hold samples for 10yrs.

That speaks volumes to me that everyone else felt it was fine to compete yet ET thought it was too much of a risk. Obviously huffing something that they fear will catch him out down the line. Same with the bleached hair. It's embarrassing.

 

[SorelyBoy]

It's pretty clear as day that he's doping but my mind always circles back to why he didn't compete at the Olympics. And its the simple fact they hold samples for 10yrs.

That speaks volumes to me that everyone else felt it was fine to compete yet ET thought it was too much of a risk. Obviously huffing something that they fear will catch him out down the line. Same with the bleached hair. It's embarrassing.

Yup. For someone who is obviously determined to win everything, the decision not to compete in the Olympics is a massive red flag.