Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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The user that instigated this discussion is one, and his post has led to multiple responses. The same of course goes for the non-clinic thread where haters like me contribute a lot, too.
Well, the non-clinic rider threads always lean sychopantic and fan-type folks, that's nothing new tbh.

I remember a lot of Sky fans in clinic explaining how their performance is super clean for years and years while producing 3 rather absurd British Tour winners in 7 years, I really don't see that level of fandom in clinic or in other places like reddit, I feel like people enjoy the freakshow performances and the insanity of what he is pulling race after race.
 
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Even though the peloton is going faster every year, Pogi can still ride away from everyone with 50 km to go.
(https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...ed-as-average-pace-reaches-new-all-time-high/
ProCyclingStats has tracked WorldTour speeds since 2001, and the shift in recent years is remarkable. Between 2001 (40.015 km/h) and 2020 (40.437 km/h), the average barely changed. Since the pandemic season, though, speeds have climbed year after year: 41.286 km/h in 2022, 41.807 km/h in 2023, 42.229 km/h in 2024 and now 42.874 km/h in 2025. That means the peloton now rides 6 per cent faster than just five years ago.
 
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Very curious pattern whenever Pogacar wins this thread blows up and when he loses this thread is as quiet as a library despite Pogacar pushing the same ''doping'' numbers you all claim. Paris-Roubaix 2025.
Just out of interest what makes you think he isn't doping ?
 
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Even though the peloton is going faster every year, Pogi can still ride away from everyone with 50 km to go.
(https://www.domestiquecycling.com/e...ed-as-average-pace-reaches-new-all-time-high/
Turns out that sky era performance hallmarks (pillows, swimming workouts, hand washing, and pineapple flavoured water) are no match to hahaha era magical gains such as food.

More generally, the point is not that Pogo is the only one doing batcrap performances. It's that most top riders are, and yet he clubs them at any kind of prestigious race, often with ease. So one has to explain the general rise in the performance level as well as him specifically rising a level above that.

But of course Mr IQ knew that (because of the IQ).
 
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It's pretty clear as day that he's doping but my mind always circles back to why he didn't compete at the Olympics. And its the simple fact they hold samples for 10yrs.

That speaks volumes to me that everyone else felt it was fine to compete yet ET thought it was too much of a risk. Obviously huffing something that they fear will catch him out down the line. Same with the bleached hair. It's embarrassing.
 
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It's pretty clear as day that he's doping but my mind always circles back to why he didn't compete at the Olympics. And its the simple fact they hold samples for 10yrs.

That speaks volumes to me that everyone else felt it was fine to compete yet ET thought it was too much of a risk. Obviously huffing something that they fear will catch him out down the line. Same with the bleached hair. It's embarrassing.
Yup. For someone who is obviously determined to win everything, the decision not to compete in the Olympics is a massive red flag.
 
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I don't even know what I'm watching anymore. Yesterday was so weird.

He crashed, came back effortlessly with the help of teammates/car, no one else dropped the hammer to distance him, he made it comically easily to the front on Cipressa where Del Toro and another teammate drilled it for him then he just rode off whilst Pidcock looked like he was fighting to stay alive and VdP bonked. He did all the work on Poggio as well where nothing happened in the group behind (60 or so in the bunch just climbed Poggio with seemingly zero attacks because reasons) and then after the sprint versus Pidcock they're both super man-love best buddies patting each other like "whoo what a fun gay-as-in-festive time! Whoohoo!".

The end.

That's pretty much MSR 2026.
 
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I don't even know what I'm watching anymore. Yesterday was so weird.

He crashed, came back effortlessly with the help of teammates/car, no one else dropped the hammer to distance him, he made it comically easily to the front on Cipressa where Del Toro and another teammate drilled it for him then he just rode off whilst Pidcock looked like he was fighting to stay alive and VdP bonked. He did all the work on Poggio as well where nothing happened in the group behind (60 or so in the bunch just climbed Poggio with seemingly zero attacks because reasons) and then after the sprint versus Pidcock they're both super man-love best buddies patting each other like "whoo what a fun gay-as-in-festive time! Whoohoo!".

The end.

That's pretty much MSR 2026.

Cheer up: Pogi finally conquered MSR so maybe somehow Rogla can conquer the Tour before retirement?
 
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On a side note, there's a video doing the rounds of Pogacar on the Poggio and the motorpacing is absolutely ridiculous, 5 motos less than 10 meters in front. That gives a huge advantage.
Hey now, don't be a salty hater smh.

The funniest part is the motopacing was way, way worse in the 1990s when they rode around with hematocrits in the 60s and were still slower than Pogacar is now
 
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The stuff that just makes me *sigh* is the stuff like yesterday.

He bins it and lets be honest, it wasn't a small crash. Look at the road rash he had. He then gets back on, you can easily say that for the chase he's buzzing on adrenaline. But most riders on such a race would get to the Cipressa and *bang* that adrenaline wears off and you're at the wall. But nah, not the mutant. He flies to the front and then attacks. There is absolutely zero affects of the road rash at all. It happened at Strade too.

It's just stuff of make believe.
 
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Pog is binning it more than the great Primož Roglič these days as well, i.e. he's become a regular crash merchant. But there's no effect on performances, or at least not visibly. Magnus Backstedt in the commentary was saying "this has definitely changed the result of this bike race!"... and yet NOOO it didn't.
 
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The stuff that just makes me *sigh* is the stuff like yesterday.

He bins it and lets be honest, it wasn't a small crash. Look at the road rash he had. He then gets back on, you can easily say that for the chase he's buzzing on adrenaline. But most riders on such a race would get to the Cipressa and *bang* that adrenaline wears off and you're at the wall. But nah, not the mutant. He flies to the front and then attacks. There is absolutely zero affects of the road rash at all. It happened at Strade too.

It's just stuff of make believe.
Probably also high as a kite on some sort of stimulants.
 
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Pog is binning it more than the great Primož Roglič these days as well, i.e. he's become a regular crash merchant. But there's no effect on performances, or at least not visibly. Magnus Backstedt in the commentary was saying "this has definitely changed the result of this bike race!"... and yet NOOO it didn't.

Yeah, Pogi hits the deck quite often nowadays. I thought Rogla was the master of crashing but it's changed.
 
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Pogi can still ride away from everyone with 50 km to go.

He literally won by half a bike wheel against a third-tier rider yesterday.

Pog is binning it more than the great Primož Roglič these days as well, i.e. he's become a regular crash merchant. But there's no effect on performances, or at least not visibly. Magnus Backstedt in the commentary was saying "this has definitely changed the result of this bike race!"... and yet NOOO it didn't.

It has clearly changed the race. If the crash hadn't happened, I reckon MvdP would've won.
 
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I don't even know what I'm watching anymore. Yesterday was so weird.

He crashed, came back effortlessly with the help of teammates/car, no one else dropped the hammer to distance him, he made it comically easily to the front on Cipressa where Del Toro and another teammate drilled it for him then he just rode off whilst Pidcock looked like he was fighting to stay alive and VdP bonked. He did all the work on Poggio as well where nothing happened in the group behind (60 or so in the bunch just climbed Poggio with seemingly zero attacks because reasons) and then after the sprint versus Pidcock they're both super man-love best buddies patting each other like "whoo what a fun gay-as-in-festive time! Whoohoo!".

The end.

That's pretty much MSR 2026.
Do you release Pogacar, MVP and VWA all crashed and made it to the front of the race.