Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[kingjr]

Mentioning the name Epstein is not in and of itself political, and no political controversy has been entered into. I don't thing that allusion is causing any raising of political hackles on the forum.

Then why bother intervening at all? I'm sure DONCA is already aware of the no politics rule.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I've taken it to PMs with kingjr.

 

[aphronesis]

How are these two things related?

It suggests that Attia’s ethics and norms already lack credibility? That’s more criminal in this instance than on its face political (but no doubt definitions and the spectrum will vary by individual).

 

[pelotonIQ]

Many posts in the clinic are scary, frightening. People have some crazy Ozempic thinking, skip all logic like eating right, exercise, expert advice from doctors, nutritionists, coaches.. No all logical steps are skipped over and utter entitlement takes over, I accomplished all steps, all the hard work with a pill or easy injection. People portray Pogacar as unethical, immoral because he does not disclose his every action, down to medical, nutrition, bathroom habits. Nobody was mad at Col. Sanders for not publishing the secret recipe at Kentucky Fried Chicken but Pogacar is commanded that he lay everything, I mean everything out for some attempt at absolute transparency.
For many a camera crew following him around 24\7, his Strava, power meter, medical records, everything be made public.
Easy posts like, it's drugs, it's a conspiracy, it's a motor.. All made with a period or !.

Easy, fast, no data, motors are used according to who? Pogacar is on a program according to who?
Not where is the fire..no..start with where is the smoke?
Guy racing throughout the world and tested everywhere and nothing.. For years, zip, nada. I get the frustration but accusing people of serious, serious crimes is done far too easily.
How are people not including the dozens and dozens of hours of Pogacar and coaches, staff explaining to the degree that they can, how and why they are successful.

There is no winning with these people, they are resilient to facts (I truly believe that they are the trolls that got laughed out of r/peloton with their bizarre motor-doping theories and found safe haven here). Pogacar could race fully naked on a bike with a transparent frame and have a 24/7 camera following him year round and they would still find something to complain about.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

interesting

Also, I just saw an Indurain vs Pantani video. I forgot just how big Indurain was.

What's the source for that? You didn't indicate it in the quotation. It also would be important what kind of people were talking. I mean, if I was drunk in a fancy restaurant, I'd tell you the exact same thing, and I'd probably be right, but I still would have no inside knowledge what so ever.

As to Indurain:
yeah he was huge. Lance was also super heavy by today's standards. In PCS he is listed 1kg lighter than Ulle, and Ulle is listed with 73kg, being 5cm taller.

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Many posts in the clinic are scary, frightening. People have some crazy Ozempic thinking, skip all logic like eating right, exercise, expert advice from doctors, nutritionists, coaches.. No all logical steps are skipped over and utter entitlement takes over, I accomplished all steps, all the hard work with a pill or easy injection. People portray Pogacar as unethical, immoral because he does not disclose his every action, down to medical, nutrition, bathroom habits. Nobody was mad at Col. Sanders for not publishing the secret recipe at Kentucky Fried Chicken but Pogacar is commanded that he lay everything, I mean everything out for some attempt at absolute transparency.
For many a camera crew following him around 24\7, his Strava, power meter, medical records, everything be made public.
Easy posts like, it's drugs, it's a conspiracy, it's a motor.. All made with a period or !.

Easy, fast, no data, motors are used according to who? Pogacar is on a program according to who?
Not where is the fire..no..start with where is the smoke?
Guy racing throughout the world and tested everywhere and nothing.. For years, zip, nada. I get the frustration but accusing people of serious, serious crimes is done far too easily.
How are people not including the dozens and dozens of hours of Pogacar and coaches, staff explaining to the degree that they can, how and why they are successful.

"People" are rightfully pointing that the explanations of the UAE PR machine for his performances have changed greatly over time. Nice strawman you got going with pretending that we are saying he's not working hard.

Also seems we're back at "never tested positive", that has worked so well in the past. Such a bulletproof argument when there's plenty of known PEDs that can be useed while avoiding a positive if the dosing regimen is done correctly, and that's only talking about what we know.

As for Pogacar ethics, they can absolutely be called into question, he has a questionnable resume there when you scratch the surface.

 

[kingjr]

It suggests that Attia’s ethics and norms already lack credibility? That’s more criminal in this instance than on its face political (but no doubt definitions and the spectrum will vary by individual).

But surely any explanations of his regarding (in)human performance can be judged on their merits?