Since Dekker only moved to Italy/Cecchini end 2006, the talent he had was genuine. Only starting 2007 you can start doubting his results. He didn';t had a rep as 'charger' at the junior/espoirs either.roundabout said:
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+1The Hitch said:Duarte signed for Geox
Damn that is as big news as this. You are right, if Phinney wasnt American this wouldnt be as big an issue.
Oh well. Just thank God hes not dutch, and didnt sign for Rabo. We would have to open up a sub forum for it.
No, the fact we have nearly 60 posts on this thread says it is big news. I guess the thread on Sky wearing green jerseys was important enough for a thread.TeamSkyFans said:
Ah...no, if you read my post I said they were very dissapointing but the past results the riders on that team have in the classics inidicate that it is a very strong classics team.TRDean said:
tgsgirl said:
Your including 5 top cobbled riders into a poor team where i am including only cancellara into BMC. I did that because there are strong rumours that he is going to BMC. I would not just look at victories but those riders consistent results in the cobbled races so BMC does not look that bad.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
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That is like saying that Basso only attempted to dope and never doped in a race before and his talent was genuine in the giro. Your too closely connected to the guy.
Hugh Januss said:
Correction Hugh, I think it's even worse than that. Lance stopped speaking to Taylor the moment he realised that Taylor was speaking to someone else. No deals had been signed. For Lance, even speaking to someone else about a deal was an act of betrayal it would appear. Taylor's future development didn't come in to it.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Thomas Dekker is not a good example to use D/T....we know the rest of this story...EPO....But agree there are lots of good u23 riders entering the pro ranks next year....Mathews will be a champion in the near future.
Great signing by team Bmc looking forward to seeing what Mini Phinney can acheive in the years ahead.
benpounder said:
Actually i have found that many on this forum, like myself have absolutely no heroes in cycling. We love the sport, but at the end of the day, see the riders as just athletes looking for personal glory.
And nation wise, this forum is quite unpatriotic - which is a good thing. Those in America generally hate Lance, those in Britain are not Team Sky or Cav fanboys, and in some cases dislike both. With the exception of a few Cuddles fan boys the Australian posters post impartially as well. The Dutch posters generaly love Rabo but mock them more often than not.
Mr. Gipsy said:
Stuart O'Grady. I'm sure there are probably others as well, but Stu is a multiple track WC, track Olympic champion, yellow jersey wearer (on the back of prologue/sprint bonuses), winner of PR, may not have won his national TT champs, but he would have been up against 3 time world champ Mick Rogers in his prime, not up against Levi who's well past his best.
"Mastering the Cobbles" would mean mastering them at senior level, while his Jr PR is a great win, and I think the guy will deliver on his promise, lets wait till he wins against the big boys before we start saying he's "mastered" anything.
Moose McKnuckles said:
I kept reading that line trying to think if he was being sarcastic or not. I want him to, but I don't think he was.
That sums this up for me. I think this guy is off to an incredible start and I hope he continues to impress us as he gains experience. Having said that we'll have to temper our expectations, most young guys need a couple of years before they shine in the pro ranks. I do think there are very few young riders with his potential and I hope his team is patient and lets him improve at a reasonable pace .PCutter said:
I like Phinney a lot more now that he's extricated himself from the slime of Armstrong and Bruyneel.
Mr. Gipsy said:
Geraint Thomas
Track: Olympic gold medallist. One of the fastest pursuiters of all time.
Cobbles: Junior Paris-Roubaix winner, 2nd on the TdF cobbles stage
TT: A couple of top tens in TdF TTs
He's done all three in the seniors, which Phinney hasn't yet, and comes from just up the road from me, yet I'm not going to call him a phenomenon
OK... Hero is probably the wrong word.The Hitch said:
Anecdotally, since Levi first podiumed at the Vuelta, I have always been a fan. Enough so that I found myself rooting for him (yes, over Lance) when riding for Gerolsteiner and Rabobank. I know that many here detest his riding style, and that's OK by me - opinions differ.
So, no heros - but many here have riders they root for, and become passionate advocates for (conversley those that root against...). Unfortunately, the fanboy, and anti-fanboy moniker has spilled far and deep - poorly thought-out comments and responses are far too common (for my tastes). But that is to be expected when passions range wide.
In fact, while I'd agree that there is little 'hero worship' here amongst the regulars, there certainly seems to exist a strong community believing in the "cycling anti-christ." LA, Cav, Vino, Canc, Ricco, Bos, Valverde, Leipheimer, name your poison.
[passive venting]
Moose McKnuckles said:
yes, very wise move. i'm sure his parents advised him to get away from lance and bruyneel. i'll bet hincapie did the same. i'm a fan now!
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TeamSkyFans said:......
I just fear in a couple of years time there are going to be phinney scratched his nose, phinney buys new car, phinney goes to sleep threads everywhere and each april the forum is going to invaded by fanboys who think cycling only exists for four weeks in the spring.
LOL
Apparently we can already start one for Phinney dates a model
http://twitter.com/DaniellaGrace
am i to believe he is making a smart move moving from a sinking ship, to this ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
The officials Landis named as encouraging doping — including the former USA Cycling board president Jim Ochowicz, who is known as the “Godfather of American cycling” and the Swiss businessman Andy Rihs — are also gearing up for cycling’s most glamorous event. Ochowicz and Rihs are co-owners of the BMC Racing team, which will compete in its first Tour.
Ochowicz, who in 1986 took the first American team to the Tour de France, said Monday by telephone that he had not been contacted by investigators and that the federal fraud inquiry did not worry him.
“It has no effect on me whatsoever,” he said from BMC Racing’s European headquarters in Belgium. He added that his initial reaction to Landis’s claims had not changed. The allegations against him were untrue, unfounded and unproven, said Ochowicz, who is one of Armstrong’s closest friends.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
The officials Landis named as encouraging doping — including the former USA Cycling board president Jim Ochowicz, who is known as the “Godfather of American cycling” and the Swiss businessman Andy Rihs — are also gearing up for cycling’s most glamorous event. Ochowicz and Rihs are co-owners of the BMC Racing team, which will compete in its first Tour.
Ochowicz, who in 1986 took the first American team to the Tour de France, said Monday by telephone that he had not been contacted by investigators and that the federal fraud inquiry did not worry him.
“It has no effect on me whatsoever,” he said from BMC Racing’s European headquarters in Belgium. He added that his initial reaction to Landis’s claims had not changed. The allegations against him were untrue, unfounded and unproven, said Ochowicz, who is one of Armstrong’s closest friends.
The Hitch said:
Hmm...I've generally felt the opposite. I've even considered starting a thread on the topic.
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Ahhh yes wasn't so long ago when Uncle Lance was announcing the Catlin drug program with young Phinny next to him to give the day that extra bit of cleanliness. I think the penny has dropped. The boy was being used. And in true Lance style he won't return the kid's text messages or calls. I'm glad he made the move. Phinny will know so much more in the next 3 months that he'll be glad he did what he did. Interesting that Hincapie played a big part in the move. Maybe things not so sweet between Big George and Tex no more?
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