TDF 2018 Stage 4 - La Baule - Sarzeau 195 km

[DNP-Old]

Someone knows how much Zakarin lost?

59s.

 

[sir fly]

Greipel definitely started the sprint too early.
Faded in the final metres rapidly.
Gaviria looks like he can hold the top speed longer than any rival in the peloton.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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Greipel goes too early not for the first or last time

he had to...bad position and the risk of getting blocked again.

Normally you have to gamble to win a headwind sprint - going early guarantees defeat. He accelerated to get out but there was no need to continue into a full sprint at that point, he could have just moved up alongside Sagan / Gaviria

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

What a leadout from QS. Gaviria might honestly win all the flat stages if they continue like this.

Maybe next year the other teams will try a different tactics rather than waiting for a sprint finish and keep losing to Quickstep. But i doubt it.

Why would teams with a fast sprinter swap a reasonable chance of beating Quickstep in a sprint for nearly no chance of winning with “different tactics” on a flat stage with a headwind?

Sagan has already taken one sprint and was close today. Greipel would have won today with better timing. Groenewegen and Kittel know that they are fast enough to win if they position themselves better. At the Giro QS had a dominant sprint team and the most successful sprinter this year but Bora still won three stages with a sprinter. Quickstep have the best sprinter-train combination at this race as they have at most races but they are entirely beatable and are in fact beaten quite often.

 

[tobydawq]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

 

[Akuryo]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

There are multiple interviews of him in English. Obviously with a strong accent, but still understandable.

 

[Vroome.exe]

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It was the same at the Giro and really it’s been the same all year - Quickstep’s sprinter support is a huge advantage for whoever is on the end of their lead out. It’s actually hard to work out where their sprinters rank against their peers because they always have that advantage.

You should give sprinter more credit. Sometimes having a good leadout isnt even good, look at Viviani losing sprints in Giro because of that. Gav is crazy strong to hold everyone behind him like that.

 

[Screecher]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

Its 100x times better to speak your native language if you dont want to get 2011 Contador or 2004 Basso interviews.

 

[skippo12]

I really thought there was a slight gap in the peleton but I guess it wasn`t big enough to be counted.
Riders like Mollema, Kruijswijk and Landa really benefit from the 3s ruling on flat stages.

 

[slosada]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

It's in France... Why not in French?

 

[Lequack]

What a leadout from QS. Gaviria might honestly win all the flat stages if they continue like this.

Maybe next year the other teams will try a different tactics rather than waiting for a sprint finish and keep losing to Quickstep. But i doubt it.

Why would teams with a fast sprinter swap a reasonable chance of beating Quickstep in a sprint for nearly no chance of winning with “different tactics” on a flat stage with a headwind?

Sagan has already taken one sprint and was close today. Greipel would have won today with better timing. Groenewegen and Kittel know that they are fast enough to win if they position themselves better. At the Giro QS had a dominant sprint team and the most successful sprinter this year but Bora still won three stages with a sprinter. Quickstep have the best sprinter-train combination at this race as they have at most races but they are entirely beatable and are in fact beaten quite often.

Well if they're so beatable why don't they beat them.

 

[VO2 Max]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

By a Spanish speaker. In a French race. In Brittany.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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It was the same at the Giro and really it’s been the same all year - Quickstep’s sprinter support is a huge advantage for whoever is on the end of their lead out. It’s actually hard to work out where their sprinters rank against their peers because they always have that advantage.

You should give sprinter more credit. Sometimes having a good leadout isnt even good, look at Viviani losing sprints in Giro because of that. Gav is crazy strong to hold everyone behind him like that.

Why should I give them more credit? Being on the end of the Quickstep lead out is a very big advantage. Saying that isn’t an attack on the sprinters concerned. They still have to be fast. But they wouldn’t win as often without their advantage and because they have that advantage it’s hard to work out where they stand against their rivals judged only on their own merits. I really don’t see how saying that is controversial.

 

[roosters76]

What a leadout from QS. Gaviria might honestly win all the flat stages if they continue like this.

Maybe next year the other teams will try a different tactics rather than waiting for a sprint finish and keep losing to Quickstep. But i doubt it.

Why would teams with a fast sprinter swap a reasonable chance of beating Quickstep in a sprint for nearly no chance of winning with “different tactics” on a flat stage with a headwind?

Sagan has already taken one sprint and was close today. Greipel would have won today with better timing. Groenewegen and Kittel know that they are fast enough to win if they position themselves better. At the Giro QS had a dominant sprint team and the most successful sprinter this year but Bora still won three stages with a sprinter. Quickstep have the best sprinter-train combination at this race as they have at most races but they are entirely beatable and are in fact beaten quite often.

Very good points

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Pfff, Groenewegen boxed in and too far. Rode by far the fastest sprint but you don't win races like that.

Meanwhile Gaviria gets them at a golden platter with the train

Lol.

Of course you are going faster when coming from behind as opposed to sitting in 2nd wheel that long. Its called aerodynamics.

 

[bob.a.feet]

Not a fan of professional cyclists who don't even bother speaking Breton when they win a stage in Brittany. Disgraceful behaviour

 

[Jancouver]

So Richeze & Gaviria are the new Renshaw & Cav huh?

 

[fantomas]

Zakarin was the only GC contender who lost time. 59 seconds.

 

[Akuryo]

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So Richeze & Gaviria are the new Renshaw & Cav huh?

And usually Keisse does the Eisel

 

[Amazinmets87]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

Is cycling a traditionally English speaking sport? The paradigm may have shifted in recent decades, but 20 years ago I'd bet more cycling fans spoke Spanish as their first language.

 

[The Barb]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

What an arrogant thing to say.

 

[roosters76]

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Btw, Sagan's career TdF's second place no. 20!

Ouch!

 

[Screecher]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

He speaks English pretty well.

And very snobbish comment by the way. Why not learn Spanish if you want to understand what Spanish talking people say?

It was the winner's interview. I feel like English should be spoken but that's just me.

Is cycling a traditionally English speaking sport? The paradigm may have shifted in recent decades, but 20 years ago I'd bet more cycling fans spoke Spanish as their first language.

I don't mind them using their own language but they should also do interviews in English. One in their own language and one in English.

 

[rick james]

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Not a fan of riders that don't bother to learn english. No idea what's Gaviria saying.

His English is ok