Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Koronin]

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Today i had finally time so i watched the last three Radiocorsa in a row, in all three Beppe Conti's indiscreto was about Sky. The first time he said that his sources told to him that Sky wants Thomas as only leader for the Giro and Bernal as backup for Froome at the Tour, Froome will skip the Vuelta in case of a victory in France to be fresher in 2020 for his sixth. The second time he talked about the possible destinations of the riders in case of the folding of the team, Bernal has a lot of offers but he prefers to replace Quintana at Movistar (since last winter he reiterates almost every week that Quintana wants to leave Movistar), Thomas could go to UAE that was interested in him already last winter, CCC wants Kwiatkowski but he has a lot of doubts regarding the level of the team whereas Froome doesn't have offers, but he also added that before the announcement of Sky ending his sponsorship Brailsford had already made of offer to Nibali (him + his brother, Slongo and Pallini only, no support riders) that absolutely wants to leave Bahrain because apparently they are running out of money (McLaren is only technical support, no money) and they are late with payments to riders. The third time he said that in Colombia the government is in search of sponsors to save the team and build the future around Bernal, in this case they'll keep Froome that has a lot of fans in Colombia but not Thomas and other stars are in doubt with this scenario because the budget will be reduced and the team will have a certain number of colombians.

The disclaimer is, as always, that not everything he says is true but between the figments of his immagination usually there are some good rumors and even some exclusives, like Gaviria to UAE last summer well before everyone else, when no one would have put a penny on this scenario.

Rumors about Quintana leaving Movistar is in a lot of places. So that one is likely (the whole where there's smoke there's fire thing). Bernal to Movistar, possible, but unlikely as Movistar has their sights on Mas.

 

[MatParker117]

https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

 

[movingtarget]

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https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

I have no doubts they will find a major sponsor or maybe two depending on the budget they think they need. If Sky can't find sponsors no one can. Even with the controversies, there is too much success there to attract sponsors. The obvious question is the budget as the riders will be the first ones to feel the affect of that. The odds are that Froome and Thomas complete their current contracts and then Sky concentrate on retaining their younger talent.

 

[MatParker117]

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https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

I have no doubts they will find a major sponsor or maybe two depending on the budget they think they need. If Sky can't find sponsors no one can. Even with the controversies, there is too much success there to attract sponsors. The obvious question is the budget as the riders will be the first ones to feel the affect of that. The odds are that Froome and Thomas complete their current contracts and then Sky concentrate on retaining their younger talent.

LVMH reported a turnover of €42 billion in 2017, if it is them I don't forsee any budget cut.

 

[Robert5091]

Louis Vuitton? I expect all the WAGs are keeping their fingers crossed!

 

[yaco]

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https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

I have no doubts they will find a major sponsor or maybe two depending on the budget they think they need. If Sky can't find sponsors no one can. Even with the controversies, there is too much success there to attract sponsors. The obvious question is the budget as the riders will be the first ones to feel the affect of that. The odds are that Froome and Thomas complete their current contracts and then Sky concentrate on retaining their younger talent.

LVMH reported a turnover of €42 billion in 2017, if it is them I don't forsee any budget cut.

Whether they turn over 100 billion is irrelevant - A sponsor needs to have GOOD REASON to sponsor 40M per year.

 

[MatParker117]

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https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

I have no doubts they will find a major sponsor or maybe two depending on the budget they think they need. If Sky can't find sponsors no one can. Even with the controversies, there is too much success there to attract sponsors. The obvious question is the budget as the riders will be the first ones to feel the affect of that. The odds are that Froome and Thomas complete their current contracts and then Sky concentrate on retaining their younger talent.

LVMH reported a turnover of €42 billion in 2017, if it is them I don't forsee any budget cut.

Whether they turn over 100 billion is irrelevant - A sponsor needs to have GOOD REASON to sponsor 40M per year.

Pinarello's value would likely plummet without the results Sky bring.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/sky-rivals-expect-brailsford-to-save-team_482648

Apparently, LVMH the French luxury goods company that owns Pinarello might take over sponsorship. If this does happen would Sky become the Pinarello factory team or would Louis Vuitton be the name sponsor?

I have no doubts they will find a major sponsor or maybe two depending on the budget they think they need. If Sky can't find sponsors no one can. Even with the controversies, there is too much success there to attract sponsors. The obvious question is the budget as the riders will be the first ones to feel the affect of that. The odds are that Froome and Thomas complete their current contracts and then Sky concentrate on retaining their younger talent.

LVMH reported a turnover of €42 billion in 2017, if it is them I don't forsee any budget cut.

Whether they turn over 100 billion is irrelevant - A sponsor needs to have GOOD REASON to sponsor 40M per year.

Pinarello's value would likely plummet without the results Sky bring.

The reported growth rate and revenues in their yearly results have been constant for many years. Sponsoring Movistar didn't change that, getting dumped by Movistar didn't change that, and sponsoring Sky hasn't changed that.

It will eventually stop growing, as there's only so much market, but team sponsorship seems to be irrelevant judging by their yearly accounting summaries

 

[Rollthedice]

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Louis Vuitton? I expect all the WAGs are keeping their fingers crossed!

Louis Vuitton jiffy bags, bring some style to the party.

 

[Robert5091]

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Louis Vuitton? I expect all the WAGs are keeping their fingers crossed!

Louis Vuitton jiffy bags, bring some style to the party.

I suppose LV could just sponsor TdF musettes?

 

[Savant12]

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Louis Vuitton? I expect all the WAGs are keeping their fingers crossed!

Louis Vuitton jiffy bags, bring some style to the party.

I suppose LV could just sponsor TdF musettes?

Louis Vuitton don't do cycling musettes but if they did they would probably...

 

[Tim Booth]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

seems they might be around a little bit longer
According to the Gazzetta dello Sport report, Comcast, the new owner of the Sky brand, "would have guaranteed 70% of the team's budget for 2020 and 2021 (40 million euros per season)"
https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/sky-indiscrezioni-gazzetta-magnate-americano-vicino-allacquisto-intanto-sponsor-pronto-a-garantire-comunque-70-del-budget-per-due-anni/
and in La Gazzetta today
"In 2018 he was the first Welshman to win the Tour and Geraint Thomas has already announced that he will return to the Grande Boucle, with the No. 1 on his back. But it is not yet ruled out that, like Nibali and Dumoulin, the 32 year-old from Sky decides to take part in the Giro d'Italia"
https://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/08-01-2019/thomas-c-ancora-porta-aperta-il-giro-320210895678.shtml

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-a-us-millionaire-save-team-sky/

Pinarello-Israel Cycling Academy?

 

[yaco]

Could one of these potential sponsors end up at Mitchelton Scott - After all, Gerry Ryan has committed funding for 2 more years and the Chinese option seems to have fallen off the table.

 

[MatParker117]

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Could one of these potential sponsors end up at Mitchelton Scott - After all, Gerry Ryan has committed funding for 2 more years and the Chinese option seems to have fallen off the table.

Does Gerry Ryan have seven grand tour wins under contract for two years, a bunch of top prospects, elite support riders and staff, plus one of the largest media companies paying for 70% of the budget for two years?

 

[CTQ]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-a-us-millionaire-save-team-sky/

Pinarello-Israel Cycling Academy?

but Sylvan Adams is an Israeli-Canadian-Jewish billionaire not a US. EDIT'' i would bet on Kevin Systrom, the cofounder of Instagram.'' he rides a bike himself and already trained with Team Sky in 2017 https://www.instagram.com/p/BXgOIAiAI5d/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

 

[rick james]

Thomas is going to struggle to be ready for the Tour never mind the Giro

 

[yaco]

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Could one of these potential sponsors end up at Mitchelton Scott - After all, Gerry Ryan has committed funding for 2 more years and the Chinese option seems to have fallen off the table.

Does Gerry Ryan have seven grand tour wins under contract for two years, a bunch of top prospects, elite support riders and staff, plus one of the largest media companies paying for 70% of the budget for two years?

Wow - I am creating discussion about potential sponsors or PCT's like the Israel Cycling Academy who wish to join the World Tour - Israel Cycling Academy team would look at any WT team who doesn't have guaranteed backing long term - And Mitchelton Scott is a very DECENT team in the WT - Maybe take off your Sky goggles !

 

[jarvo]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-a-us-millionaire-save-team-sky/

Pinarello-Israel Cycling Academy?

but Sylvan Adams is an Israeli-Canadian-Jewish billionaire not a US. EDIT'' i would bet on Kevin Systrom, the cofounder of Instagram.'' he rides a bike himself and already trained with Team Sky in 2017 https://www.instagram.com/p/BXgOIAiAI5d/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Any billionaire who loves cycling could be interested. $30-40 million per year would be passion project money for someone with that kind of wealth, so sure why not throw it out there. Billionaires love to buy sports teams, so why not buy the most successful (global recognition, not wins per season) current cycling team and run it as a hobby project? I know i would if I was worth over a billion

 

[Tim Booth]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Axel Zingle, Thomas Acosta and Andrea Bagioli spent three days at the last Team Sky training camp on Mallorca.

 

[Nirvana]

According to Tuttobiciweb sources inside Sky report as almost certain that Thomas will ride Giro and Vuelta because the team want to focus solely on Froome in France.

 

[Singer01]

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According to Tuttobiciweb sources inside Sky report as almost certain that Thomas will ride Giro and Vuelta because the team want to focus solely on Froome in France.

Bit confusing this one for me. On the one hand it appears absolutely the best thing for the team, having said that you cant tell someone they can't defend the tdf.

 

[Salvarani]

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According to Tuttobiciweb sources inside Sky report as almost certain that Thomas will ride Giro and Vuelta because the team want to focus solely on Froome in France.

Bit confusing this one for me. On the one hand it appears absolutely the best thing for the team, having said that you cant tell someone they can't defend the tdf.

Froome low-key furious that Thomas actually won the TDF last year

Hopefully some turbulence behind the scenes in that team happening all spring.

Be great if both Thomas and Froome went to TDF and they imploded

 

[Nirvana]

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According to Tuttobiciweb sources inside Sky report as almost certain that Thomas will ride Giro and Vuelta because the team want to focus solely on Froome in France.

Bit confusing this one for me. On the one hand it appears absolutely the best thing for the team, having said that you cant tell someone they can't defend the tdf.

The article says that Thomas knowing the team want to focus on Froome for the Tour prefers to go to the Giro as leader and then to the Vuelta to prepare for the WC. I don't think that they are going to force him to skip the Tour, probably they only said to him something like "at the Tour you can be only second fiddle/backup and the team will be all behind Froome". And based on that he drew his conclusions.

 

[Koronin]

Which means Bernal will be working for either Thomas or Froome in whichever GT he's sent to after very likely being told he'd be able to race the Giro. This could be interesting. Also Sky can't send their "A" team to all 3 GTs.