Team Ineos Discussion thread

[yaco]

It was always likely that Tinkoff would make a play for Sky - He's a big admirer of the team and particularly Brailsford, though it's not mutual.

 

[staubsauger]

Tinkov should rather set up his old Tinkoff team again and buy Bernal & Sosa + a bunch of South American climbing domestiques like Anacona etc.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Re:

It was always likely that Tinkoff would make a play for Sky - He's a big admirer of the team and particularly Brailsford, though it's not mutual.

Exactly why Tinkoff would be perfect as the subject of a nonsense story fed by Sky to invent demand and inflate the price

 

[Salvarani]

Surely... if they is able to find a new sponsor. They will be on a smaller budget and some riders will probably leave the team right?

 

[Robert5091]

Re:

Surely... if they is able to find a new sponsor. They will be on a smaller budget and some riders will probably leave the team right?

A new sponsor might come up with all the cash - who knows?

 

[Salvarani]

Re: Re:

Surely... if they is able to find a new sponsor. They will be on a smaller budget and some riders will probably leave the team right?

A new sponsor might come up with all the cash - who knows?

Okay.

I was asking a question from the standpoint that the new sponsor is not coming up with all the cash though. Will a portion of their "best riders" be leaving if that would be the case?

 

[Robert5091]

I would guess that a UK based sponsor would keep G/Froome & the UK riders, but a Continental sponsor might well look to the future and keep the young riders (Bernal, Sousa) at the expense of the UK guys. It's all up in the air now, so nobody knows. Even the effects of Brexit might play a role.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bra...-lipped-about-team-sky-sponsorship-prospects/

Asked if the UCI's new rule that teams wishing to apply for a 2020 WorldTour licence must do so by April 1 would pose a problem for him and the team, Brailsford again declined an answer.

That's another headache for SDB then.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Dave B looking for a Colombian deal

https://www.elespectador.com/deportes/ciclismo/sera-el-sky-el-primer-equipo-colombiano-en-el-world-tour-articulo-839157

 

[samhocking]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Explain's Froome being there too, why Bernal was given a 5 year contract on Year 0 & Sosa's desperate move too. Colombia was perhaps set to arrive in Tour Racing Ltd for 2021 anyway when Sky were supposed to be ending natural 10 year sponsorship in 2020. It's just been pushed forward a season maybe?

 

[Anderis]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Dave B looking for a Colombian deal

https://www.elespectador.com/deportes/ciclismo/sera-el-sky-el-primer-equipo-colombiano-en-el-world-tour-articulo-839157

I was thinking about this a while ago. Having Bernal on a long-term deal and a few other riders from the region under contract might be attractive for some South-American companies.

 

[MatParker117]

The obvious candidate for sponsorship would be Ecopetrol the Colombian state oil company

 

[Escarabajo]

That won't happen with Ecopetrol. This was more in the lines of Coldeportes. But I am not sure if they have the money. It would be a really reduced budget team.

No wonder why Froome was doing campaign since November of last year. LOL. If something happens they keep him and the Thomas would be the odd man out.

 

[pastronef]

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That won't happen with Ecopetrol. This was more in the lines of Coldeportes. But I am not sure if they have the money. It would be a really reduced budget team.

No wonder why Froome was doing campaign since November of last year. LOL. If something happens they keep him and the Thomas would be the odd man out.

lol? if you are trying to get a sponsor, you send the best rider, the public knows him. that´s how the circus work.

Comcast warrants 70% of the current budget for 2020-21 so in Coldeportes needs to splash 30% for 2 years it´s good.
Comcast has Colombian tv interests too

 

[pastronef]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

this from a comment on cyclingnews FB page (under the Sky-Colombia piece)

From what I hear, it is a certain London-based Colombian billionaire who is putting up the money, through one of his Colombian businesses, and that Team Sky's reception in Colombia would be a deciding factor ahead of an announcement closer to the Giro .. and also that Brailsford has had him lined up all along and that those hoping for the team's budget to be clipped are going to be in for a big disappointment.

 

[CTQ]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Explain's Froome being there too, why Bernal was given a 5 year contract on Year 0 & Sosa's desperate move too. Colombia was perhaps set to arrive in Tour Racing Ltd for 2021 anyway when Sky were supposed to be ending natural 10 year sponsorship in 2020. It's just been pushed forward a season maybe?

but he announced on November 7 that he would be at the Tour of Colombia, a few days after he came back from the Rigoberto Grand Fondo.

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

That won't happen with Ecopetrol. This was more in the lines of Coldeportes. But I am not sure if they have the money. It would be a really reduced budget team.

No wonder why Froome was doing campaign since November of last year. LOL. If something happens they keep him and the Thomas would be the odd man out.

lol? if you are trying to get a sponsor, you send the best rider, the public knows him. that´s how the circus work.

Comcast warrants 70% of the current budget for 2020-21 so in Coldeportes needs to splash 30% for 2 years it´s good.
Comcast has Colombian tv interests too

If I remember right, Comcast said that only rider contracts would be covered for 2020 and nothing beyond that by them. It's also possible that IF there is new sponsorship they can then void even paying contracts for next season.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

this from a comment on cyclingnews FB page (under the Sky-Colombia piece)

From what I hear, it is a certain London-based Colombian billionaire who is putting up the money, through one of his Colombian businesses, and that Team Sky's reception in Colombia would be a deciding factor ahead of an announcement closer to the Giro .. and also that Brailsford has had him lined up all along and that those hoping for the team's budget to be clipped are going to be in for a big disappointment.

The Duke of Wellingtons son in law?

 

[CTQ]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

this from a comment on cyclingnews FB page (under the Sky-Colombia piece)

From what I hear, it is a certain London-based Colombian billionaire who is putting up the money, through one of his Colombian businesses, and that Team Sky's reception in Colombia would be a deciding factor ahead of an announcement closer to the Giro .. and also that Brailsford has had him lined up all along and that those hoping for the team's budget to be clipped are going to be in for a big disappointment.

The Duke of Wellingtons son in law?

no idea who is the son in law but i've found one colombian bilionnaire who lives in London: Jaime Gilinski Bacal (born 14 December 1957) is a Colombian banker and real estate developer. Gilinski resides in London. According to Forbes, he is the second richest person in Colombia, with a net worth of US$3.9 billion as of May 2018.[1]

 

[MatParker117]

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That won't happen with Ecopetrol. This was more in the lines of Coldeportes. But I am not sure if they have the money. It would be a really reduced budget team.

No wonder why Froome was doing campaign since November of last year. LOL. If something happens they keep him and the Thomas would be the odd man out.

About that:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ecopetrol-linked-with-taking-over-team-sky-sponsorship/

 

[Robert5091]

The Duke of Wellingtons son in law? is ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...-church-rural-Spain-200-glamorous-guests.html

Alejandro Santo Domingo ...
Alejandro, son of the late billionaire businessman Julio Mario Santo Domingo whose net worth according to Forbes is around $4.9 billion (£3.47 billion), announced his engagement to Lady Charlotte with a notice in The Telegraph last year.(2015)

Hans wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Santo_Domingo

Father's wikipage at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Mario_Santo_Domingo - old money including a TV station. The son now runs the family business.

No visible interest in pro-cycling, but ... who knows!

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

If this actually happens I wonder what the reception of british fans will be. Like will they still root for the team when it's focused around Colombians because if not I'd find it very funny if the british cycling hype was killed by the monster they've built themselves

 

[samhocking]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

Explain's Froome being there too, why Bernal was given a 5 year contract on Year 0 & Sosa's desperate move too. Colombia was perhaps set to arrive in Tour Racing Ltd for 2021 anyway when Sky were supposed to be ending natural 10 year sponsorship in 2020. It's just been pushed forward a season maybe?

but he announced on November 7 that he would be at the Tour of Colombia, a few days after he came back from the Rigoberto Grand Fondo.

Friebos mentioned it in TCP last year, Brailsford had told him off the record of taking the team to Colombia when sky sponsorship was due to end anyway in 2020 after the 10 year deal.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

If this actually happens I wonder what the reception of british fans will be. Like will they still root for the team when it's focused around Colombians because if not I'd find it very funny if the british cycling hype was killed by the monster they've built themselves

I would imagine it depends who stays in the team and who goes. There are a lot of diehard Froome fans so maybe they would stay with the team he is in whatever it is called. It would potentially still be a very strong team with the current riders they have on their books if they transfer over to the new team. Once Froome goes, i would imagine most of his fans would go to. Do you still see Contadors fans supporting Trek now he has retired? They've moved on to whoever they fancy or they had numerous favourite riders/teams, just a dislike/hate of SKY. Who knows, maybe some of the anti SKY fans will move over to the new team when SKY finish, doubt it though.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

If this actually happens I wonder what the reception of british fans will be. Like will they still root for the team when it's focused around Colombians because if not I'd find it very funny if the british cycling hype was killed by the monster they've built themselves

I would imagine it depends who stays in the team and who goes. There are a lot of diehard Froome fans so maybe they would stay with the team he is in whatever it is called. It would potentially still be a very strong team with the current riders they have on their books if they transfer over to the new team. Once Froome goes, i would imagine most of his fans would go to. Do you still see Contadors fans supporting Trek now he has retired? They've moved on to whoever they fancy or they had numerous favourite riders/teams, just a dislike/hate of SKY. Who knows, maybe some of the anti SKY fans will move over to the new team when SKY finish, doubt it though.

Well sky haters don't dislike sky because of the sponsor but because of their dominance. If the budget stays the same I don't think things will change.
The unique thing with team sky is that other than with teams like trek people are actually rooting for or against Sky. Like even when contador was riding for trek I didn't feel like more people were rooting for someone like Mollema than before. The Contador fans were still very much Contador fans and not Trek fans.