Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Jagartrott]

If Froome wouldn't have had the inhaler 'issue', Thomas wouldn't have been leader for the Tour. Heck, he wouldn't even have been the leader at this year's edition if Froome wouldn't have had his high speed crash. Claiming that Thomas' Tour victory is the result of some grand plan, is just not correct.

 

[lartiste]

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Ineosky. Ruining the TdF since 2012

Its not Ineos fault that a 22 year old riding his first GT going for GC is able to avoid losing gobs of time on a flat stage when people like Fuglsang, Porte, Landa, Pinot couldn't.

Study the subject first before making statement ... .

Riding his first GT going for GC as I stated, you study the subject.

The sense is clearly "riding first GT", you are just trying to hide the mistake you made, but anyway ... .

 

[brownbobby]

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If Froome wouldn't have had the inhaler 'issue', Thomas wouldn't have been leader for the Tour. Heck, he wouldn't even have been the leader at this year's edition if Froome wouldn't have had his high speed crash. Claiming that Thomas' Tour victory is the result of some grand plan, is just not correct.

I didn't see anyone claiming anything of the sort, or even referring to a grand plan, simply saying that Thomas was a rider who Sky had developed rather than simply 'bought'....which is 100% correct.

 

[Singer01]

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Ineosky. Ruining the TdF since 2012

Its not Ineos fault that a 22 year old riding his first GT going for GC is able to avoid losing gobs of time on a flat stage when people like Fuglsang, Porte, Landa, Pinot couldn't.

Study the subject first before making statement ... .

Riding his first GT going for GC as I stated, you study the subject.

The sense is clearly "riding first GT", you are just trying to hide the mistake you made, but anyway ... .

Jesus wept, It literally says 'riding his first GT going for GC'. Its right there in the text quoted.
Someone confirm I'm not going crazy.

 

[tobydawq]

You're not!

 

[masking_agent]

I heard that Richard Carapaz will sign with Ineos in August. So Ineos will become a "super" team for sure during the grand tours. They'll have Thomas, Froome, Bernal and Carapaz. Looks like an Ineos domination in the years to come.

 

[Danskebjerge]

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1. thomas
2. bernal (won't be allowed to outclimb thomas even if he can)
distant margin
2-3 guys fighting out 3rd spot.

The fact that they have two guys up there - that's what makes stage 10 so tragic. There is always a possibility of illness or bad luck in cycling, but even if one of the strong Ineos guys has a really bad day, it still looks like an Ineos victory overall. And history tells us that the other teams will fight it out between eachother for a place on the podium instead of cooperating against Ineos.

 

[Singer01]

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I heard that Richard Carapaz will sign with Ineos in August. So Ineos will become a "super" team for sure during the grand tours. They'll have Thomas, Froome, Bernal and Carapaz. Looks like an Ineos domination in the years to come.

Thomas is getting on, Froome is probably never going to be the same again. So they have Bernal, Carapaz and Sivakov, and maybe 1 or 2 more years out of GT. Hardly terrifying depth.

 

[macbindle]

Always the possibility that they might discover a new Froome in their ranks...

 

[frisenfruitig]

Let's be realistic; as long as Ineos has this kind of budget there is just no way they're not going to be dominating the tdf. It's not very hard when you can just throw around briefcases of cash when the next 'new kid on the block' turns up.

 

[macbindle]

On ITV4s rest day coverage tonight there was an item on the history of Sky. I was expecting a eulogy, but it turned out to be balanced, with awkward coverage of the various Sky scandals left hanging in the air with neither of the pundits, Millar and Kennaugh (himself an 8 year veteran of Sky) letting Sky off the hook. Kennaugh said that Wiggins TUEs didnt sit right with him, despite he himself having had a TUE. I took that to mean Kennaugh thought Wiggins cheated the TUE system. They interviewed SDB about the scandals and, again, kind of left him hanging in the air after he tried to evade the questions (as usual)

The interviewer asked Kennaugh about his experience of Sky versus other teams, and he said it was the attention to detail and constant professionalism that stood out, and I guess that funding that level of organisation is another example of something else that poorer teams just cannot afford.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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Here we go again...
Different year, same story

Well, my friend, Sir Dave is still a genius, Tim is still the best at getting the lads physically ready, Nico still does the best and most thorough recons and of course Fran still does what she does ... so we should expect the same result. Lots of racing before this Tour is over, but the lads are well positioned for more good results.

Sir Dave has coffers full of money - buying every super-talent that *other* teams have nurtured. I'm more impressed with teams that have half or a third of the budget and manage to be present and win races all year round.

Froome wasn't a super-talent.

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

Here we go again...
Different year, same story

Well, my friend, Sir Dave is still a genius, Tim is still the best at getting the lads physically ready, Nico still does the best and most thorough recons and of course Fran still does what she does ... so we should expect the same result. Lots of racing before this Tour is over, but the lads are well positioned for more good results.

Sir Dave has coffers full of money - buying every super-talent that *other* teams have nurtured. I'm more impressed with teams that have half or a third of the budget and manage to be present and win races all year round.

Froome wasn't a super-talent.

He's always had a big engine, the fact he didn't know how to use it is, plus illness, is another thing. His VO2max is the same or similar to Bernals which everyone kept raving about when it was first known.

 

[pastronef]

Sir Dave talks about crosswinds on stage 10

https://embed.mychannels.video/production/91209

 

[therealthing]

Very odd to see Ineos so weak at this Tour- would love to know why. Loss of Froome alone doesn't explain this.

 

[carton]

Hats off to Sir Dave. His best chance at winning the Tour this year didn't believe in himself enough to go for it. He is the youngest rider in the race, so this isn't a knock on him. If anything, it's a huge gamble for the team. But Brailsford measures up the odds and rolls the dice. He shows Bernal his own strength. And, insanely, shows his own team their leader's weaknesses. That's deep strategic thinking coupled with a hard-won racing nous and a steadfast belief in your decision-making, right there, and then. Hard to see any other DS make that call. But he did. So honestly, a huge Chapeau!

So now, Ineos now 2-3 and with one of the two strongest climbers in the race in an ideal position to counterpunch. And their erstwhile leader itching to make that first attack. No assurance of anything, everything but, yet a near-guarantee of exciting racing to come.

 

[Scarponi]

I thought it was always obvious they would rather lose than have a non British winner

 

[cantpedal]

Very odd to see Ineos so weak at this Tour- would love to know why. Loss of Froome alone doesn't explain this.

Because if Bernal and GT are domestiques instead of GC contenders they are significantly stronger

 

[carton]

Very odd to see Ineos so weak at this Tour- would love to know why. Loss of Froome alone doesn't explain this.

Because if Bernal and GT are domestiques instead of GC contenders they are significantly stronger

I said this at the start of the race: they're missing one more climber. Froome is out so Bernal is riding GC, sure. But I still thought they are also missing someone like an in-form de la Cruz or Sivakov. Relying on Poels alone as the only other dedicated climber is not enough for them to ride as they have done in the past.

 

[Scarponi]

Very odd to see Ineos so weak at this Tour- would love to know why. Loss of Froome alone doesn't explain this.

Because if Bernal and GT are domestiques instead of GC contenders they are significantly stronger

I said this at the start of the race: they're missing one more climber. Froome is out so Bernal is riding GC, sure. But I still thought they are also missing someone like an in-form de la Cruz or Sivakov. Relying on Poels alone as the only other dedicated climber is not enough for them to ride as they have done in the past.

Especially with Poels out of form, we have seen on the past Poels has literally been the strongest climber on certain days even above Froome Contador and Quintana

 

[Red Rick]

The good ol' 1/2 after top dog crashes out is on bois

 

[Rollthedice]

With Froome it's 1-2-3 in Paris.

 

[Red Rick]

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With Froome it's 1-2-3 in Paris.

There's always next year.

 

[brownbobby]

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I thought it was always obvious they would rather lose than have a non British winner

What absolute nonsense

 

[Blanco]

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Hats off to Sir Dave. His best chance at winning the Tour this year didn't believe in himself enough to go for it. He is the youngest rider in the race, so this isn't a knock on him. If anything, it's a huge gamble for the team. But Brailsford measures up the odds and rolls the dice. He shows Bernal his own strength. And, insanely, shows his own team their leader's weaknesses. That's deep strategic thinking coupled with a hard-won racing nous and a steadfast belief in your decision-making, right there, and then. Hard to see any other DS make that call. But he did. So honestly, a huge Chapeau!

So now, Ineos now 2-3 and with one of the two strongest climbers in the race in an ideal position to counterpunch. And their erstwhile leader itching to make that first attack. No assurance of anything, everything but, yet a near-guarantee of exciting racing to come.

And hats off to Thomas and Sir Dave for cutting Bernal's advantage for 15-20 sec at least