Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[SundayRider]

And Sky produces another clean GT contender...

Taken his 'methods' with him. Where are all the Garmin GT contenders?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Taken his 'methods' with him. Where are all the Garmin GT contenders?

Only Sky's clean performances surpass the doped performances of yesteryear...to bad for Uran that he left the aura of clean that drives Sky GT riders on...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Taken his 'methods' with him. Where are all the Garmin GT contenders?

Points at Ryder.

 

[SundayRider]

Points at Ryder.

6 + minutes down though.

 

[The Hitch]

He rides for sky as hitch is generally acknowledge as a hater by some sky fans and since deignan rides for sky and pastry usually troll sky detractor's here ..so

I've never said word 1 about 95% of team sky riders or staff, even when they had their own threads on here.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

6 + minutes down though.

Yeah the numbers are a bit deceiving: 3:21 in the TTT + :49 post-crash stage 6 + 3:22 in the TT = 7:30.

I am surprised (well kinda) he did as poorly as he did in the TT, given he comparatively smashed the final TT in 2012.

Not making excuses for him, still query his 2012 performance, and particulary his post-GT win uh nada, but he's doing better than it looks on paper, IMO. Particularly given he was off the front clawing back time in the stage just completed while Uran was defending.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yeah the numbers are a bit deceiving: 3:21 in the TTT + :49 post-crash stage 6 + 3:22 in the TT = 7:30.

I am surprised (well kinda) he did as poorly as he did in the TT, given he comparatively smashed the final TT in 2012.

Not making excuses for him, still query his 2012 performance, and particulary his post-GT win uh nada, but he's doing better than it looks on paper, IMO. Particularly given he was off the front clawing back time in the stage just completed while Uran was defending.

Ryder has never been that good a TT rider. He has the occasional good one, but not so often that you would class him as a top quality TT rider. It just happens that he produced one of his best to win the Giro that day.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ryder has never been that good a TT rider. He has the occasional good one, but not so often that you would class him as a top quality TT rider. It just happens that he produced one of his best to win the Giro that day.

Yeah too good for my money. Too good.

Unfinished business.

 

[Will Carter]

Dont know if anyone has seen this (or if it has been posted before). Not even sure if this is the right thread but it does talk about performance and marginal gains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVqKnWudp38&list=FLWJ1yovQDywromYQcPjNYRA&index=5

Some very interesting and surprising numbers in there.

 

[Nathan12]

Dont know if anyone has seen this (or if it has been posted before). Not even sure if this is the right thread but it does talk about performance and marginal gains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVqKnWudp38&list=FLWJ1yovQDywromYQcPjNYRA&index=5

Some very interesting and surprising numbers in there.

Pre-Tour 2013 was the first time Froome had ever been in a wind tunnel. Marginal gains. Also Froome is still all over the place on the TT bike.

 

[Nathan12]

'Pinot's difficulties go back to a crash he suffered when he was younger, which has resulted in him being extremely tentative on descents. Imagine if he gets his head right. The time improvements. The things which will be written. Death by the firing squad of social media. Commentators armed with anecdotes each expressed in 140 characters or fewer'. Inside Team Sky, pg. 134.

David Walsh is unbelievable. Literally, absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Will Carter]

Pre-Tour 2013 was the first time Froome had ever been in a wind tunnel. Marginal gains. Also Froome is still all over the place on the TT bike.

Well I wasn't trying to make any comparisons to specific riders, but some of the numbers / differences there amazed me. I'm off out to buy the skin suit and aero hat - hopefully I'll be much less knackered after my rides ...

 

[thehog]

Well I wasn't trying to make any comparisons to specific riders, but some of the numbers / differences there amazed me. I'm off out to buy the skin suit and aero hat - hopefully I'll be much less knackered after my rides ...

Yes and only if every race was ridden in a straight line into a perfectly linear headwind

No wonder Sky are so good at the Classics

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Also Froome is still all over the place on the TT bike.

I still don't get this hate of Froome's bike position.

He can ride on the aerobars on a set of rollers. IMO, this is not something you can do if you are as hackworthy as Froome is constantly made out to be.

I think it only adds noise / distraction to what really matters in terms of his performance gain.

 

[The Hitch]

I still don't get this hate of Froome's bike position.

He can ride on the aerobars on a set of rollers. IMO, this is not something you can do if you are as hackworthy as Froome is constantly made out to be.

I think it only adds noise / distraction to what really matters in terms of his performance gain.

If he is unaerodynamic that means his tt prowess is even more based on pure power.

In fact it directly strikes at the heart of everything Sky claim to stand for with their alleged focus on science and marginal gains, since in the tt Froome becomes the rider who is scientifically disadvantaged and needs to rely on pure force, while its Sky's opponents that are actually benefiting from science.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

P.S.: Sivtsov is 18th so far as best Sky rider. He had three T-16 finishes with Highroad-Columbia... just as a side note. Total Sky domination where ever you look.

Yeah, solid logic there. USPS was clean too because they didn't dominate most of the races.

 

[thehog]

Yeah, solid logic there. USPS was clean too because they didn't dominate most of the races.

USPS dominated nothing other than the Tour & the Dauphiné.

Heras was a one man show in the Vuetla. They barely turned up to any other race and you never saw them in Italy at the 2.1's.

Advantage of non-ProTour days and an American sponsor.

 

[Nathan12]

I still don't get this hate of Froome's bike position.

He can ride on the aerobars on a set of rollers. IMO, this is not something you can do if you are as hackworthy as Froome is constantly made out to be.

I think it only adds noise / distraction to what really matters in terms of his performance gain.

Froome himself has said in the past how he's still 'all over the bike'.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Froome himself has said in the past how he's still 'all over the bike'.

He's also saying he's clean.

In both instances, I am finding it hard to agree.

 

[blackcat]

Froome himself has said in the past how he's still 'all over the bike'.

no "Its Not About The Bike"

 

[blackcat]

Sally Jenkins ftw

 

[GuyIncognito]

That's funny. Turns out in his new book Froomedog calls Brailsford untrustworthy

It's going to be awesome seeing the Skybots trying to reconcile that with Froome and Brailsford both being pristine human beings

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That's funny. Turns out in his new book Froomedog calls Brailsford untrustworthy

It's going to be awesome seeing the Skybots trying to reconcile that with Froome and Brailsford both being pristine human beings

There seems to be quite a bit of stuff coming out through the serialisation that makes me wonder if they ran it past Brailsford. Seems kinda damaging?

Can't imagine they didn't, given DB and DWalsh are so close and Walsh wrote it.

 

[Benotti69]

There seems to be quite a bit of stuff coming out through the serialisation that makes me wonder if they ran it past Brailsford. Seems kinda damaging?

Can't imagine they didn't, given DB and DWalsh are so close and Walsh wrote it.

It does see, strange that DB would let such a thing out, but maybe Froome is not tied to Sky that prevents him 'writing' a book.

Seems to me he wants Sky to back him in full or he goes elsewhere.

I guess BMC, OPQS, Trek would pay Froome what he wanted in cycling terms....

 

[elfed68]

Sir Alex Ferguson never let a player become bigger than the team, except Rooney maybe, seems Brailsford needs to stamp his authority and re establish who's in charge.