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Why is Servais Knaven still working with Sky?

In the TVM investigation, the police did not limit the extra doping test for samples withdrawn 29 July of the six remaining TVM-riders in the race (Jeroen Blijlevens, Bart Voskamp, Servais Knaven, Steven De Jongh, Serguei Outschakov and Sergei Ivanov). On 20 August 1998 they also called in these seven riders for interrogation and submission of samples for additional doping control: Michel Lafis, Tristan Hoffman, Hendrik Van Dijck, Peter Van Petegem, Laurent Roux, Johan Capiot and Lars Michaelsen. As one of these riders, it was either Capiot or Michaelsen, refused to submit samples, the total number of tested TVM riders was 12. In May 2001, during the final court hearing in the TVM trial, the medical expert witnesses stated, that from this tested group the test results had proofed, that the following six were "very likely" to have injected the specified doping substances:[30][31][32]

Jeroen Blijlevens (EPO and corticosteroids).
Bart Voskamp (EPO and corticosteroids).
Serguei Outschakov (EPO and corticosteroids).
Servais Knaven (EPO).
Laurent Roux (amphetamines, corticosteroids and cannabis).
Tristan Hoffman (amphetamines)

All of the six riders testing positive, refused in court ever to have used doping. The court however found sufficient amount of evidence had been presented (104 EPO vials seized from a TVM-car in March 1998, syringes with EPO remainings found in dustbins located in TVM rented hotel rooms during the Tour de France, as well as other doping products seized from TVM's Tour bus), to conclude that organized doping at the TVM team was conducted in the preparation and during the 1998 Tour de France. Consequently the court handed out suspended sentences from 6–18 months to the team's manager, sports director and soigneur.[33] For unknown reasons, none of the six positive riders had their cases evaluated by a sports court, and thus none of them ever received suspensions for their positive tests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Tour_de_France#TVM_riders_tested_by_police

More proof if any was needed of Sky telling lies.
 
red_flanders said:
Hysterical. Of course that was never said before Froome went Boome.
Naturally. I don't much mind Porte. Clearly more talented than Froome. But I will reserve my judgment on him till after Saturday.

He now has a new role to play. Let's see how he does and the tactics he employes.
 
Benotti69 said:
to rub salt in, Knavens uses his Roubaix win with the 'charging' Domo Farm Frites win as his photo on Twitter!!!

https://twitter.com/ServaisKnaven
Nice photos on that twitter. He even found the part of the pave with his name inscribed. What I also noticed was the references to the nice weather in Spain etc. The Dawg needed more training in the elements. His Predisone inspired victory in Romandie would have raised his body temp to not notice.

Last year everything went right. This year the Dawg didn't know how to adapt to adversity.
 
bobbins said:
The French fed are looking at this but things seem to have gone quiet recently. There's no talk of Dave B being involved though. Take it as what it was, Dave B saying what he thinks people want to hear. That's what he does best and that's what causes the people management problems in the team.
The back story on the French federation is the current president talked publicly about setting up the USPS/SKY system where the federation finds a commercial sponsor and defrays costs, never tests positive, by running the team before he was elected. IMO, it's almost good it is going slow because it's a terrible sporting governance model.

Brailsford telling people what they want to hear is a strong possibility. We have no shortage of that kind of material!
 
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DirtyWorks said:
The back story on the French federation is the current president talked publicly about setting up the USPS/SKY system where the federation finds a commercial sponsor and defrays costs, never tests positive, by running the team before he was elected. IMO, it's almost good it is going slow because it's a terrible sporting governance model.

Brailsford telling people what they want to hear is a strong possibility. We have no shortage of that kind of material!
It could also become the default model for a Belgian team, Spanish team, Italian team and so on..........:mad:
 
3 wins with 3 different riders in 3 successive years would maintain the narrative that the British have established for themselves vis-à-vis Brailsford for when the Brits lie they lie big!
 
buckle said:
3 wins with 3 different riders in 3 successive years would maintain the narrative that the British have established for themselves vis-à-vis Brailsford for when the Brits lie they lie big!
It's what happens when you have the UCI and probably ASO assisting your team.

If Wiggo hadn't gone off the rails a couple of different ways, maybe things would have been different? Maybe.
 
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Sky and the comparisons with USPS proven true again. Kimmage blacklisted by Brailsford.


The day after Froome departed, Brailsford was surprisingly upbeat.
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But there seemed little regret. His relationship with Froome has not had the warmth Brailsford used to enjoy with Bradley Wiggins. This season, not everything has been smooth. The team boss did not like some of the things Froome wrote in his book and the team did not agree with the rider's decision to do an interview with journalist Paul Kimmage, who has been critical of them.
the above written by Walsh in today's ST.
 
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buckle said:
3 wins with 3 different riders in 3 successive years would maintain the narrative that the British have established for themselves vis-à-vis Brailsford for when the Brits lie they lie big!

Oh we do do we? Please illustrate this xenophobic statement with some relevant examples of big sporting a 'lies' perpetrated by the British. If you are going to make throwaway statements like that you should be able to back them up, right?
 
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JimmyFingers said:
Oh we do do we? Please illustrate this xenophobic statement with some relevant examples of big sporting a 'lies' perpetrated by the British. If you are going to make throwaway statements like that you should be able to back them up, right?
The lie is the doping.
 
Benotti69 said:
Sky and the comparisons with USPS proven true again. Kimmage blacklisted by Brailsford.




the above written by Walsh in today's ST.
I can't keep up! Wiggins is now cool again? Brad has "warmth".

Do you get the feeling Walsh just writes what keeps him on the payroll? :rolleyes:
 
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thehog said:
I can't keep up! Wiggins is now cool again? Brad has "warmth".

Do you get the feeling Walsh just writes what keeps him on the payroll? :rolleyes:
Surely both Walsh and Michelle will jump ship as soon as they can smell the 2 year ban coming. At least he will always have the bots?
 
the sceptic said:
Surely both Walsh and Michelle will jump ship as soon as they can smell the 2 year ban coming. At least he will always have the bots?
The bots move fast. They'll be jumping on the Porte bandwagon by next week!

With Kennaugh doing well is Austria he'll be the next GT winner in the waiting. And Thomas as well. We don't need no Dawg.

The Dawg will retire (secretly) at the end of 2014. For 2 years.
 
thehog said:
The bots move fast. They'll be jumping on the Porte bandwagon by next week!

With Kennaugh doing well is Austria he'll be the next GT winner in the waiting. And Thomas as well. We don't need no Dawg.

The Dawg will retire (secretly) at the end of 2014. For 2 years.
Back in late 2009 when Sky was first being set up, and nobody knew if Wiggins was a one-hit wonder or not, Kennaugh WAS the next GT winner in waiting. He was the British rider (at least, the British MALE rider) who had genuinely shown climbing talent and was seen as a prospect for the future who could, if nurtured, turn into a genuine GC contender. I've even been a bit concerned about how slowly they've been bringing along Kennaugh considering he was considered to be more of a prospective talent than every other British rider Sky have at this point five years ago.

Froome was barely mentioned even as a dark horse candidate.
 
JimmyFingers said:
And that lie a exclusively British?
Brailsford latest trade is 3 wins in 3 years with 3 different riders. Presumably he is now offering a deal to "the French" to make it 4 and 4. It's mind boggling even to Americans. Nobody would attempt such a play other than a Brit.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Back in late 2009 when Sky was first being set up, and nobody knew if Wiggins was a one-hit wonder or not, Kennaugh WAS the next GT winner in waiting. He was the British rider (at least, the British MALE rider) who had genuinely shown climbing talent and was seen as a prospect for the future who could, if nurtured, turn into a genuine GC contender. I've even been a bit concerned about how slowly they've been bringing along Kennaugh considering he was considered to be more of a prospective talent than every other British rider Sky have at this point five years ago.

Froome was barely mentioned even as a dark horse candidate.
Having Froome becoming what he became ruined the 5-year plan. The 5-year plan was realistic. They could progressed a rider like Kennaugh to be that man with perhaps Wiggins getting a podium in between.

But it all changed. A watered-down flat Tour, Wiggins & Sky TTT'ing around France, the Olympics and out of that contrived mess they created the Frankenstein-monster in Froome.

They could hardly cut him loose. They feed him the drugs so they had to humour him to one Tour victory. And then it all went sour. Froome like a coke dealer on his own product started to believe he was king of the world and should be treated like one along with the Duchess of South Africa & Monaco.

Brailford, right now, is alive again. The weight is off his shoulders. He can control Porte. I believe we'll see a rejigging of priorities for Sky post Tour.

The Dawg will be no more.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Back in late 2009 when Sky was first being set up, and nobody knew if Wiggins was a one-hit wonder or not, Kennaugh WAS the next GT winner in waiting. He was the British rider (at least, the British MALE rider) who had genuinely shown climbing talent and was seen as a prospect for the future who could, if nurtured, turn into a genuine GC contender. I've even been a bit concerned about how slowly they've been bringing along Kennaugh considering he was considered to be more of a prospective talent than every other British rider Sky have at this point five years ago.

Froome was barely mentioned even as a dark horse candidate.
A month before that kennaugh was the potential contender (though even that was a massive stretch) and neither Wiggins nor froome were mentioned. Even wiggos friend rob hales laughed at the idea of him being able to finish top 20.

Oh and there's no such thing as a 1 hit wonder. Unless they crash or something, then if they 1 day can push out all those watts on a climb and the next year they can't, or vice versa, it's because of a sudden start/ stop point in the doping.
 
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