Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[TailWindHome]

You deflect then disappear.

Oh dear.

I asked Bobbins for clarity on a piece on evidence which could change my opinion on Sky.

You started on about buying a car.

It's sad really.

 

[TailWindHome]

As I pointed out in a post in a few weeks ago to mv that was of course as predicted totally ignored, there are a number of extremely damning incidents which when they are brough up all sky defenders including yourself magically disapear from the forum.

Starting with Bilharzia. It is impossible at the most basic level for Froome to have been cured from Bilharzia prior to the 2011 Vuelta as he claimed only for it to then reappear within his system.

But whenever this is pointed out you just disapear from the forum. Not you nor any other of the Sky defenders (which this week turns out to maybe have been as few as 3 or 4 if not less) have at any point engaged the Bilharzia issue. All just disapear from the forum whenever its brought up.

Same with the weight loss. Whenever someone (a point that has been made not just by us losers here but also by Bassons and Stokes and others) asks how Wiggins and Froome managed to lose all their weight while retaining all their power, coincidentally at the exact same time that Aicar and other weight loss drugs came onto the scene, pooof you disappear again.

Then come back in some other thread and try to claim that there isn't any evidence to convince you lol

So you aren't interested in the backdated TUE?
Why?

 

[thehog]

It's sad really.

Not at all, you're just deflecting again, as you tend to do all the time.

Except when defending Wiggins

You really bought into the marginal gains stuff, haven't you? LOL!

His leap in performance has been overstated by those convinced he doped.

We're talking about a rider who has never won a mountain stage of a GT, come to think of it he has never won a road stage of a GT or a one day race of any significance.

His performance levels are not even close to the levels of Armstrong et al

 

[TailWindHome]

Not at all, you're just deflecting again, as you tend to do all the time.

Accept when defending Wiggins

You really bought into the marginal gains stuff, haven't you? LOL!

So you don't want to discuss the backdated TUE either.
You prefer to deflect to Wiggins while accusing me of deflection

Excellent work.

 

[thehog]

So you don't want to discuss the backdated TUE either.
You prefer to deflect to Wiggins while accusing me of deflection

Excellent work.

I honestly cannot stop laughing at that post you made.

Yes, we can discuss the backdated TUE, which part would you like to discuss?

Then we can talk about Badzhilla. Or you'll just disappear again...

So, this TUE. What's up?

 

[TailWindHome]

So, this TUE. What's up?

That's what I asked, but you started on about used cars.

Also could you be a sweetie and go back to #29305 and remove the quotation marks which may suggest to others that that is a direct quote.
Ta

 

[thehog]

That's what I asked, but you started on about used cars.

What is your question. Just spit it out and let us know. Bobbins put together a list of issues which on the whole looks very troubling.

You selected one issue out of that list. What's your question?

 

[Electress]

Sorry to interrupt, but incase you haven't read it…Lends a new meaning to SkyBot...

Brailsford: Sleep patterns and the use of cranial stimulation via magnets are two areas thought to interest him. Any truth in that? “We’ve done pretty well for other cycling teams over the last five years helping them out,” he said, declining to go into further detail.

Wow the hubris of the man though !

 

[TailWindHome]

What is your question. Just spit it out and let us know. Bobbins put together a list of issues which on the whole looks very troubling.

You selected one issue out of that list. What's your question?

Go back and read it yourself.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1624109&postcount=29290

I asked for details on the alleged back dated TUE
You started on about used cars.

Good grief

 

[thehog]

Go back and read it yourself.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1624109&postcount=29290

I asked for details on the alleged back dated TUE
You started on about used cars.

Good grief

I did.. Long ago. Bobbins had replied to you but you ignored it and carried on with your normal deflecting and ignoring all the other facts. How do you see at night operating in this manner

Good grief indeed. You're not very good at this are you? Having a rational discussion on facts.

So shall we talk about Badzhilla now or is it disappearing time?

sorry for the delay, dodgy hotel wifi. I can but prefer not to incase it incriminates people close to the team. I've heard it repeated to me by people at BC but I don't know how widely known it really is.

 

[samhocking]

true, I think only a positive test can convince the true believers like tailwindhome.

There won't be any evidence of actual doping at Sky, because they are too clever and use intelligence to pass all anti-doping controls. They've also built a forcefield around them at races with this mysterious green beacon developed by secret squirrals in Manchester. If you look at the top of the Sky bus at races they say when dimly lit, any vile of EPO can be neutralized to harmless saline solution within 1km of the finish line, even when inside the riders body if they ramp the watts up (slightly brighter green light seen).

I've asked for evidence of Sky being this intelligent here but this doesn't exist in 30,000 posts yet. There's is evidence that there is no evidence of the intelligence however, which is mighty suspicious! I mean you've got to be really intelligent to hide the evidence of being intelligent, so I fear this 5 year old journey will continue well into Brailsford's next 5 year plan to win slightly less races than the other teams easily getting caught because they are stupid and lack intelligence of British Cycling.

 

[TailWindHome]

Bobbins had replied to you but you ignored it

No, in post #29298 I pointed out the irony of withholding information that could change peoples minds while at the same time mocking those from whom the information was being withheld.

But hey. That may be an actual discussion about actual evidence instead of mindless trolling.

#LetBobbinsSpeak

 

[thehog]

No, in post #29298 I pointed out the irony of withholding information that could change peoples minds while at the same time mocking those from whom the information was being withheld.

But hey. That may be an actual discussion about actual evidence instead of mindless trolling.

#LetBobbinsSpeak

That's a little silly. Bobbins collated a long list of issues at Sky and contrasted that list to Brailsfords most recent comments on BBC.

What you did, was select out one of those issues, ignored what Brailsford had said, which was in blatant contradiction to the manner which he has run his team and carried on about the backdated TUE.

Why? Because it deflected from Brailsford comments and the list a Bobbins put together in full.

We saw all this with the Lance fans. Same old stuff. Although at least the Lance fans fought to the end rather than just disappearing like you do...

So... Badzhilla and Hitches post, up to discussing that? Or no?

 

[TailWindHome]

That's a little silly. Bobbins collated a long list of issues at Sky and contrasted that to Brailsford most recent comments.

What you did, was select out one of those issues, ignored what Brailsford had said, which was in blatant contradiction to the manner which he has run his team and carried on about the backdated TUE.

Why? Because it deflected from Brailsford comments and the list a Bobbins put together in full.


We saw all this with the Lance fans. Same old stuff. Although at least the Lance fans fought to the end rather than just disappearing like you do...

So... Badzhilla and Hitches post, up to discussing that? Or no?

So you're not interested in the allegation of the backdating of a TUE?

I'd also be interested in hearing more about "Had an athlete pulled from Athens due to reasons currently not widely known" and
"Rumours of 3 missed ooc tests abound too" but suspect that I'll get the same answer unfortunately.

Having a rational discussion on facts.

 

[thehog]

So you're not interested in the allegation of the backdating of a TUE?

Bobbins responded. Not sure why you missed it apart from avoidance. Similarly to the list he put together. You avoid it.

So why don't we discuss the list as a whole and to Brailsford recent comments, you saw those? Or did you avoid that as well?

Talk about botsville, population tailwindhome!

 

[TailWindHome]

Bobbins responded. Not sure why you missed it apart from avoidance. Similarly to the list he put together. You avoid it.

So why don't we discuss the list as a whole and to Brailsford recent comments, you saw those? Or did you avoid that as well?

Talk about botsville, population tailwindhome!

Why don't you want to talk about a backdated TUE.
You were so very vocal on the Froome TUE discussion.

Hang on.

Wait a minute

Do you think he made it up?????

 

[thehog]

Why don't you want to talk about a backdated TUE.
You were so very vocal on the Froome TUE discussion.

Hang on.

Wait a minute

Do you think he made it up?????

It's not about me. It's about Brailsfords comments which Bobbins posted, why avoid? Looks like an attempt to get personal and deflect. Stick to the topic.

So what are your thoughts on Brailsford's most recent comments in contrast to the issues Bobbins listed?

Dave B seems to forget that he;
Hired Leinders
Hired Yates
Hired Julich
Hired De Jongh
Hired Rogers
Had the UCIs one man TUE panel backdate a TUE and rush through Froomes TUE
He also had Hayles go over 50% Hct at BC
Had an athlete pulled from Athens due to reasons currently not widely known
Rumours of 3 missed ooc tests abound too
So what is this all about?
http://t.co/m14zgGv9VL

Selective amnesia must be exacerbated by cortisone use!

 

[TailWindHome]

Stick to the topic.

I am

Establishing the veracity of allegations listed is key to identifying any potential conflict with regard to Brailsfords comments.

 

[thehog]

I am

Establishing the veracity of allegations listed is key to identifying any potential conflict with regard to Brailsfords comments.

Got it. So you agree with all points bar one in Bobbins post? Good.

Because you have an issue with one in list, drop that one from your scope and use the remainder. Compare that to Brailsfords comments.

So what are you are thoughts? Or disappearing time again?

 

[TailWindHome]

Got it. So you agree with all points bar one in Bobbins post? Good.

I don't disagree with the backdated TUE.
I just want to know more about it.

What I don't understand is why you don't and seem to be intent on ensuring the discussion doesn't go anywhere near it.

 

[thehog]

No.
I've queried two other points also.

I'll let you in on a secret...

Sky hired Leinders, LOL!

 

[TailWindHome]

I'll let you in on a secret...

Sky hired Leinders, LOL!

On that, you can have the last word.

 

[thehog]

As I pointed out in a post in a few weeks ago to mv that was of course as predicted totally ignored, there are a number of extremely damning incidents which when they are brough up all sky defenders including yourself magically disapear from the forum.

Starting with Bilharzia. It is impossible at the most basic level for Froome to have been cured from Bilharzia prior to the 2011 Vuelta as he claimed only for it to then reappear within his system.

But whenever this is pointed out you just disapear from the forum. Not you nor any other of the Sky defenders (which this week turns out to maybe have been as few as 3 or 4 if not less) have at any point engaged the Bilharzia issue. All just disapear from the forum whenever its brought up.

Same with the weight loss. Whenever someone (a point that has been made not just by us losers here but also by Bassons and Stokes and others) asks how Wiggins and Froome managed to lose all their weight while retaining all their power, coincidentally at the exact same time that Aicar and other weight loss drugs came onto the scene, pooof you disappear again.

Then come back in some other thread and try to claim that there isn't any evidence to convince you lol

Will bump this excellent post... good post Hitch.

 

[thehog]

On that, you can have the last word.

So it's about me again? Just stick the topic. Stop avoiding and deflecting.

It's actually not hard to do. So, what are your thoughts or Brailsfords most recent comments? Or disappearing time again?

 

[the sceptic]

On that, you can have the last word.

would it have made any difference to you if they had hired Ferrari?