Benotti69 said:Way to go attacking the wrong poster for obfuscation.![]()
With all due respect, I didn't attack either poster, just one of the arguments that I found disingenuous based on the context of the discussion.
Benotti69 said:Way to go attacking the wrong poster for obfuscation.![]()
Wallace and Gromit said:This isn't meant to be too serious...
There are two riders (LeMond and Mig) who've won the Tour de l'Avenir since 1979 who've subsequently won the Tour de France. This is the same number of riders (LeMond and Wiggo) who have medalled in the World Junior IP and then won the Tour de France.
So maybe being a good junior pursuiter is not such a bad indicator of Tour potential. Or maybe the Tour de l'Avenir is rather misnamed, as it's not a very good predictor either.
djpbaltimore said:With all due respect, I didn't attack either poster, just one of the arguments that I found disingenuous based on the context of the discussion.
ray j willings said:GT riders tend to be quite decent at ITT. Contador ,Armstrong, Evans all not to shabby.
ITT riders tend to lose out once the road go's up.
You would have thought FC would have made a better GT contender than Wiggo.
ray j willings said:GT riders tend to be quite decent at ITT. Contador ,Armstrong, Evans all not to shabby.
Benotti69 said:You think now that Wigans has shown the progression from Olympic pursuit Gold to TdF winner more would follow..........i mean it is pretty simple once you have that big engine to race for 4kms then extend it to 4000kms and bingo TdF winner.
Evans the Ferrari client? As i said Wigans in good company.
sure, no other teams apart from Sky has talent. If only Braky raced in sandshoes as a youngster!
Benotti69 said:The context is if you have been following Wigans development in the clinic is the argument that Wigans showed GT winning potential because he won IP Gold.
IP and GT abilities are not related. A rider needs to make an effort everyday from day 1 of a GT and every day after that effort becomes harder, without doping.
djpbaltimore said:I never claimed that IP gold was the best indicator of success in GTs. To my point, the immediate context was your sarcastic remark that maximal efforts over 4km are not relevant to a 4000km race.
djpbaltimore said:The following post disagreed saying that the maximal efforts to win a TDF are more akin to IP because they are actually shorter bursts within the race and not 4000km. This opinion then got spun to suggest that only short bursts are required to win a TDF, which was never stated by the original poster. To me this is twisting words to try to ridicule someone for something they didn't really say, so I weighed in with my opinion.
MarkvW said:Wouldn't the "evidence" presented here against Sky indicate every other team in the peleton is also a doped team?
Yet people are always complaining that the GC riders nowadays all wait until the final climb.Benotti69 said:Last time the TdF was ridden with short incremental bursts was before EPO when riders didn't start racing till the TV cameras got switched on.
Nowadays and for the last 2 decades the TdF is ridden hard from the off!
MatParker117 said:Because everytime people like me ask for any kind of evidence we get insulted, called various stupid names and the same BS repeated verbatim.
Benotti69 said:They are not.
Last time the TdF was ridden with short incremental bursts was before EPO when riders didn't start racing till the TV cameras got switched on.
Nowadays and for the last 2 decades the TdF is ridden hard from the off!
Dear Wiggo said:No. It's more because despite being native English speaking people, they do not understand the difference between, "evidence" and "proof".
And you don't seem to understand the difference between 'evidence' and 'cause for suspicion'.Dear Wiggo said:No. It's more because despite being native English speaking people, they do not understand the difference between, "evidence" and "proof".
MatParker117 said:There is no difference proof is a synonym of evidence.
MatParker117 said:There is no difference proof is a synonym of evidence.
42x16ss said:I'm going to put this to bed once and for all.
Hmmm. Maybe if I use it as a sig?Dear Wiggo said:Yeah nah I did a whole thread on the concept, and red flanders had a post that pwnt people through the planet about it.
But when MattParker can so blithely state what he does, you know there's a rubber barrier to this kind of stuff.
Makes the whole, "DB said this it must be true" swallow phenomenon a little more understandable.
42x16ss said:I'm going to put this to bed once and for all.
Yeah, pretty much... At least at WT level anyway.MarkvW said:Wouldn't the "evidence" presented here against Sky indicate every other team in the peleton is also a doped team?
42x16ss said:Hmmm. Maybe if I use it as a sig?
42x16ss said:B2 one or more reasons for believing that something is or is not true
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/evidence
ev·i·dence
noun
1. The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
or
Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.
TailWindHome said:I'd doubt it
the sceptic said:I think you'd have more luck trying to convert religious people.
The Hitch said:Good god
That is some astonishing ignorance.
Ironically ebandit made this same idiotic comment (while hijacked by joachim).
If you ever strayed outside of this subforum, read some actual interviews with domestiques, gt contenders, coaches, damn near anyone in the sport, you might realize how stupid what you just said is.
Every gt rider is pretty clear about having to be on top form for every stage in a gt (including wiggins who said he has to be 90% every day). No one just coasts along 2500km of flat in a gt. It would totally defeat the purpose of the flat being there.
No, gt riders do not just ride dozen 45 minute efforts. They ride the complete thing and every cm they go over contributes to the exhaustion.