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[Benotti69]

But you said someone got sent home from the Tour. Not threatened with it. Journalists routinely get threatened. They shake it off.

I don't doubt that Brailsford got arsey with a lot of journalists. Journalists aren't angels. They can be dicks too. Or did I imagine Leveson?

If only some sporting journalists would hack dopers, doctors and team owners phones to find out about doping and cheating......

 

[Parker]

he didn;t get arsey with journos because they were being dicks.
he got arsey with them because they asked questions.

Really. Link?

Or is it only me that has to do that?

I know a few journalists in several fields. It's give and take. If you have a genuine question, you'll get an answer (maybe not a good one), but keep asking generic fishing questions or keep repeating old questions and someone will get arsey.

 

[Parker]

If only some sporting journalists would hack dopers, doctors and team owners phones to find out about doping and cheating......

Why do you think they didn't?
The News of the World may be Murdoch but the Mirror and Mail aren't.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It was definitely changed. (The quote makes a lot less sense in it's current form).

Given that it's a direct quote that's a big breach of journalistic ethics from Benson.

No. There's ethics in school. And then you go out and get paid to sell stuff disguised as news.

CN needs access to the sport and the sport's actors know this. So, they contact Mr. Benson and suggest that the words "backdated TUE" are not accurate. CN keeps their access, the story is only a little worse for it.

Cleanest peloton ever.

 

[blackcat]

It will certainly be interesting to see how the event evolves. The "sprinter start" tactic may emerge as an attempt to force the opposition to blow up trying to keep pace or leave themselves too much to do to catch up after misjudging a steadier start. I have my doubts that anyone will be able to take on the majority of work in the first 1.5k, simply because the average lap time once up and running for a low 3:50s is 14s, and there's very few kilo riders can manage that once up and running. (An 18s first lap in a kilo plus 3 * 14s laps would be a minute dead, which is faster than anyone's managed at sea level.)

The relatively even load-sharing does intuitively seem the energy efficient way to go. I'm sure squads will be trying something different in training just to see, though. Nothing ventured; nothing gained. Otherwise, either the Brits or the Aussies will steamroller everyone trying "business as usual" in Rio.

I dont mean all the work for the first 1.8-2.5 km, just double the laps. And to kick off with a further distance while the second place guy, who was a previous starter, like Clancy, pulls in behind the slipstream. And a guy who did that, could never do double turns form more than 1.8 to 2.5 k,

2 km, 8 laps of 250metre velodrome. 4 riders, one pulling double laps, others doing single turns. See I dont see how even a guy like Hoy could ride another 750 metres behind 3 riders pulling only one lap, and recover in the slipstream to do another turn before retiring. I am waaay tooo hypothetical. I remember at a Worlds, about 98, that Brett Lancaster pulled a double lap in the back end of a final, to put the Australians over the top of their competitors, probably Germany or Russia in 98.

Who was the coach of Wiggins in his first spell at GB cycling, the one Cav "potted" in his book, who said his ergo numbers and testing could not make him a pro on the road. I think he said about Clancy, his numbers in the pursuit were exactly the same as Wiggins.

And I thought G was even better and the true engine of the TP.

W&G what we have not speculated about, in this dialogue, on a 250 metre track, say you can pull back 15 metres on your start, and one less change of rolling up the banking, = ~18 metres, you will be about ~105 metres behind the other TP train. Will the wind be cleaner or whatever the technical term is for the CdA. And that was assuming a professional competing opposite, a less professional and quality opposition, you could get well under 100 metres difference and the air CdA would start to have a material affect.

 

[blackcat]

But you said someone got sent home from the Tour. Not threatened with it. Journalists routinely get threatened. They shake it off.

I don't doubt that Brailsford got arsey with a lot of journalists. Journalists aren't angels. They can be dicks too. Or did I imagine Leveson?

yeah, all i wanna know is if Brailsford married Fran Millar. seems a story the Murdochs would be interested and readership titillated in/by, and i use the term readership in the most wide definition sense available.

best manager and sports scientist, of all time.

of all time.

 

[blackcat]

Re Millar, he was considered for the TP squad in the run-up to Athens as GB sought to find a quartet to beat the Aussies. I don't think he was ever in the frame seriously though. I guess he wasn't sufficiently good that he could fulfil his road commitments and just drop back in.

Cav was definitely in the frame for a TP squad place in 2008, but didn't make the cut and Ben Swift regularly rode in the world cup meetings, but got chopped fairly late in the selection process for 2012.

Re Bos, the TP looks like it's heading that way, though the experiences of Millar, Cav and Swift suggest that there's more to making it at the top end of the TP than simply being a top level roadie with a decent turn of pace.

IIRC, in the 2012 OG, Clancy and Burke drove a 62s first kilo, with the next 3k done in 2:49 (64kmh). Both Clancy and Burke are sub 62 kilo riders at their best, and Thomas is/was no slough either. Jason Queally was in serious contention for a TP squad place off a sprint/kilo background (I think he was in the quartet that won the Euro champs in 2011) but was a bit long in the tooth to see off the youngsters for the really serious stuff.

As an aside, Chris Hoy's first ride for GB in a track world cup meeting was in the TP though I think that was a case of him being available when the squad was a man down in early 2000s when Team GB was not such a well oiled machine.

I think the evidence of the Dutch pursuiter Jenning Huizenga in 07/08 would demonstrate that if you gave Millar a year on the track, he would be pulling Taylor Phinney numbers, and better than Wiggins or G.

 

[sniper]

Really. Link?

Or is it only me that has to do that?

I know a few journalists in several fields. It's give and take. If you have a genuine question, you'll get an answer (maybe not a good one), but keep asking generic fishing questions or keep repeating old questions and someone will get arsey.

all links in this thread. go find it.

and if brailsford, a guy who says he's all for transparency, gets arsey because some innocent small-time journo asks him once (not fishing, not repeating, neutral voice) why we aren't seeing Froome's pre-2011 data, then everybody with half a brain knows what time it is.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Really. Link?

Or is it only me that has to do that?

I know a few journalists in several fields. It's give and take. If you have a genuine question, you'll get an answer (maybe not a good one), but keep asking generic fishing questions or keep repeating old questions and someone will get arsey.

Remember that at the 2012 World Championships, when CN asked Brailsford how the investigation into Leinders' past, that he announced so hastily when questions were asked in July 2012, was going and whether it had yielded any results yet, Brailsford ran away from the question.

Literally. Like, Chris Horner telephone conversation style, only in person.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Remember that at the 2012 World Championships, when CN asked Brailsford how the investigation into Leinders' past, that he announced so hastily when questions were asked in July 2012, was going and whether it had yielded any results yet, Brailsford ran away from the question.

Literally. Like, Chris Horner telephone conversation style, only in person.

It was comical.

Only a month or so after Pat let slip on second rest day (?) that Sky were going to be the after party to go to as the winners of the Tour.

 

[thehog]

Remember that at the 2012 World Championships, when CN asked Brailsford how the investigation into Leinders' past, that he announced so hastily when questions were asked in July 2012, was going and whether it had yielded any results yet, Brailsford ran away from the question.

Literally. Like, Chris Horner telephone conversation style, only in person.

He didn't just run away he complained to CN for asking the question.

CN: You describe him Dave Brailsford as "incredibly open." He certainly didn’t seem that way when he rang Cyclingnews to complain after we asked him about the Leinders investigation at the 2012 Worlds. Do you think it's fair to say that your experience of Sky and Brailsford in particular is very different from that of just about every other journalist in cycling?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...l-lessons-recruiters-can-learn-from-team-sky/

Fran Millar - head of winning behaviours..

loll i can't stop laughing

 

[thehog]

http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...l-lessons-recruiters-can-learn-from-team-sky/

Fran Millar - head of winning behaviours..

loll i can't stop laughing

Although Team Sky is a well-established team with a huge following, they still stand by the six key principles that they started with and that everyone in business should also be working towards.

These are: Outcome focus, Podium people, Marginal gains, The human mind, Culture and core, and Winning behaviour.

http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...ons-recruiters-can-learn-from-team-sky/#.dpuf

LOL, indeed!

 

[blackcat]

http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...l-lessons-recruiters-can-learn-from-team-sky/

Fran Millar - head of winning behaviours..

loll i can't stop laughing

i am not seeing anything about harnessing your inner chimp?

I mean, if you dont got a chimp to harness, what have you got? primordial ghosts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtbOmpTnyOc

I am a little bit peeved with you skeptic, and other peoples, i did not ask about winning behaviours, thats a priori, i asked, can someone tell me, if she is hitched up with Brailsford.

yesterday peoples.

 

[Benotti69]

So can the Sky fans point us to all things Sky improved by 1%

According to Sir Dave Brailsford, the former performance director of British Cycling and now Team Sky principal: “If you broke everything you could think of that goes into riding a bike and then improved it by 1%, you will get a significant increase when you put them all together.”

- See more at: http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...can-learn-from-team-sky/#sthash.6eNGhsEC.dpuf

 

[sniper]

http://www.recruiter.co.uk/expert-a...l-lessons-recruiters-can-learn-from-team-sky/

Fran Millar - head of winning behaviours..

loll i can't stop laughing

Fundamentally, multiple world and Olympic track cycling champion Sir Chris Hoy summarises this winning mentality when he explains that we should “point the mirror at ourselves and ask ‘how can we get better?’”.

pass the bucket!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Nutella dropped: 1%
Pineapple juice: 1%
Washing hands: 1%
Warm down: 1%
Own pillows: 1%
Oval chain ring: 1%
Volcano ash: 1%
etc..

 

[thehog]

pass the bucket
and pullleaaaase, plizplizpliz pleeeeeaaaaaaase let Sky be the object of an upcoming tell-all biography, whistleblower case, or random doping bust.

Selfies?





......

 

[blackcat]

Nutella dropped: 1%
Pineapple juice: 1%
Washing hands: 1%
Warm down: 1%
Own pillows: 1%
Oval chain ring: 1%
Volcano ash: 1%
etc..

better mood lighting on bus. 1%

 

[the sceptic]

So can the Sky fans point us to all things Sky improved by 1%

Let's not induce another 10 pages of bot trolling and instead enjoy this quiet moment of laughing at sky nonsense.

I wonder what Walsh official job description was.

 

[Dr. Juice]

Nutella dropped: 1%
Pineapple juice: 1%
Washing hands: 1%
Warm down: 1%
Own pillows: 1%
Oval chain ring: 1%
Volcano ash: 1%
etc..

+ No coffee breaks

 

[blackcat]

Selfies?





......

onanism is prohibited when racing. you know that hog.

thats for after racing, at yellow rose and spearmint rhino. disciplines. sky pro cycling disciplines. winning behaviours.

 

[blackcat]

Let's not induce another 10 pages of bot trolling and instead enjoy this quiet moment of laughing at sky nonsense.

I wonder what Walsh official job description was.

he gets to sleep with Wendi Murdoch Deng so Tony Blair can not sleep with her to save Rupert fretting and having paroxysms of being cuckolded like Tyler and tugboat

 

[sniper]

+ No coffee breaks

not measuring VO2 max of your best rider

 

[Dazed and Confused]

not measuring VO2 max of your best rider

corp lingo for not knowing one's limitations.