Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[staubsauger]

talking about doping (and I repeat again I don't deny that Froome and Wiggins are doped) does not mean insulting other people

Exactly this! If you were stupid enough to like Armstrong while it was obviously what a lousy character he always had, you can't make it better now when you hate Froome when he seems to be a pretty nice person!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Exactly this! If you were stupid enough to like Armstrong while it was obviously what a lousy character he always had, you can't make it better now when you hate Froome when he seems to be a pretty nice person!

So, being publicly nice is all an athlete needs to do to cheat?

I get your broader point though. The personal attacks aren't a good choice.

Per Digger's post they give as good as they get and then run and hide behind 'anonymous social media haters.'

 

[skippythepinhead]

You seem not to have noticed that this quote that you favour is to the effect that the angry mob baying against Froome was wrong, and that history will correct it. Quite the opposite of your usual fare. I knew you would convert!

Please pardon me if I misremember history, but didn't Sky have Froome's data analyzed by a prominent French physiologist? Who was he, what did he analyze; what was his conclusion?

 

[wrinklyvet]

Please pardon me if I misremember history, but didn't Sky have Froome's data analyzed by a prominent French physiologist? Who was he, what did he analyze; what was his conclusion?

I have no idea about that. Do tell me.

 

[skippythepinhead]

I have no idea about that. Do tell me.

I only vaguely remember Sky trying to have some of Froome's data used to declare him clean. I recall the sanctioning bodies were unable or unwilling for some reasons to provide analysis so Sky went out and hired someone to do it. I'm in meetings today or I'd look up the details, I'll do it later if no one knows the history of that or where it's been discussed already in the Clinic. Thanks.

 

[thehog]

I only vaguely remember Sky trying to have some of Froome's data used to declare him clean. I recall the sanctioning bodies were unable or unwilling for some reasons to provide analysis so Sky went out and hired someone to do it. I'm in meetings today or I'd look up the details, I'll do it later if no one knows the history of that or where it's been discussed already in the Clinic. Thanks.

Grappe.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21212&highlight=Grappe

Sky gave him post Vuelta 2011 power data, not pre. Grappe concluded that the performances were "consistent" but could not confirm doping or not.

Not providing power data prior to the Vuelta 11 allowed for the "consistent" finding.

Sneaky.

 

[red_flanders]

Exactly this! If you were stupid enough to like Armstrong while it was obviously what a lousy character he always had, you can't make it better now when you hate Froome when he seems to be a pretty nice person!

Is there a list of talking points somewhere I can get ahold of? Keep hearing the Walsh narrative that fans "were fooled" by Armstrong and now take it out on Froome and Wiggins.

It's horse manure, particularly in the clinic. Most of us here, with notable exceptions, knew Armstrong for what he was before 1999, let alone after 2001. What people learned from Armstrong is the extent of cheating, how much it affects performance, and how willing so many people are to lie outright about it.

So when we see a team and riders performing at the same level of Armstrong and his team, engaging in multiple proven lies, and looking like Auschwitz victims while gaining power, yeah. We tend to think those people dope. No matter how nice you think they are.

 

[thehog]

Grappe.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21212&highlight=Grappe

Sky gave him post Vuelta 2011 power data, not pre. Grappe concluded that the performances were "consistent" but could not confirm doping or not.

Not providing power data prior to the Vuelta 11 allowed for the "consistent" finding.

Sneaky.

First observation: His power drops off normally

As a recap:


"The relationship between power and time is similar to what is known and is observed in all the riders that have been established in the record power profile (RPP)," Grappe told Equipe.

"It shows, for example, a significant and normal power reduction of 60 watts (0.88 w/kg) between twenty and sixty minutes efforts. On average an athlete loses fifty watts in this time interval. The RPP that Froome has over two years does not seem to show any abnormality in its fundamental structure. In other words, the power data of the last two years is consistent with the profile that it represents. The performances he made on Ax 3 Domaines and Ventoux were to be expected in view of his PPR. During the last two years, his profile has not changed. It appears that the potential that he has today is similar to the one he had in 2011."

La Francaise des Jeux trainer, Fr?d?ric Grappe, has come out in support of Lance Armstrong, after doping accusations have been leveled at him and the U.S. Postal team. In an in depth interview with L'Equipe, Grappe said that Armstrong's results have come through hard work and not hard drugs, despite the climate of suspicion that still surrounds cycling (especially in France) at the moment.

Grappe started by saying that to fight doping in general, the role of a good trainer is paramount. They must be able to set a program that will not over-tax their riders but keep them in top shape for a certain competition period. Some top riders already do this, although they are subsequently criticised by fans for not riding the whole season at their best. Not everyone can be an Eddy Merckx.

"A great many riders spend their time during the week at home unsupervised," said Grappe. "The trade is so difficult that sometimes they are mentally quite low, in a state of weakness. In these moments of great loneliness one could suppose that a very influential person could propose things to a rider. I know this for a fact...I do not blame the riders, but the system because it would only take a few things to change it."

Grappe believes that doctors are given too much status by the FFC and the UCI, compared with trainers such as himself who know the riders. "It is necessary to work from the base and to develop riders with quality supervision from teams...to offer the riders a true 'alternative' to doping."

 

[skippythepinhead]

Grappe.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21212&highlight=Grappe

Sky gave him post Vuelta 2011 power data, not pre. Grappe concluded that the performances were "consistent" but could not confirm doping or not.

Not providing power data prior to the Vuelta 11 allowed for the "consistent" finding.

Sneaky.

Thanks! I'll add the time you saved me to my intervals later!

Didn't want to misrepresent my memory that the guy Sky turned to to declare Froome clean had said the same about Armstrong. Angry mob says what?

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks! I'll add the time you saved me to my intervals later!

Didn't want to misrepresent my memory that the guy Sky turned to to declare Froome clean had said the same about Armstrong.



Angry mob says what?

The angry mob are sky fans......just to be clear.

 

[ebandit]

really

The angry mob are sky fans......just to be clear.

really?.........i imagine most team sky fans are happy........it's the detractors

whom are standing by with pitchforks

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

really?.........i imagine most team sky fans are happy........it's the detractors

whom are standing by with pitchforks

Mark L

yeah sure, that's why you sky fans are here in the clinic.........

 

[ebandit]

forum

yeah sure, that's why you sky fans are here in the clinic.........

correct............it's a forum for..............everyone

why would team sky fans not be interested.........................

Mark L

 

[thehog]

Thanks! I'll add the time you saved me to my intervals later!

Didn't want to misrepresent my memory that the guy Sky turned to to declare Froome clean had said the same about Armstrong. Angry mob says what?

The extremely high maximal aerobic power (efforts of five minutes) confirms that he has an extraordinary high aerobic potential, which means he has a V02 max (this has never been measured in the laboratory by his team) close to the limits of known physiological science."

Believe it or not!

 

[sniper]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jun/29/cycling.olympicgames2008

what gluten free can do for your country:

Ten years ago, British cycling was a joke. Now we have the best track team in the world

By day four, with nine gold medals won, Brailsford could rightly claim 'we've crushed everybody', which is a rarity for any British team in any sport.

boardman: 'I know what you can and can't do with a bike, and you have to go outside cycling [to advance].

He [boardman] also has the use of a wind tunnel in Southampton, and 'lab rats' among the riders - the pursuiter Rob Hayles and Queally being the most assiduous.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jun/29/cycling.olympicgames2008

what gluten free can do for your country:

yeah, Rob hematocrit and Cav's motoman Hayles and ex Cofidis rider in about 1998

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Looking goodfor Sky this weekend with Froome, Porte, Thomas, Nieve and Kennaugh all looking in great shape. Any news on whether they have signed a new doping doctor over the winter?

 

[Fzotrlool]

It sure looks good on the paper. And I'm not even including the Thomas victory.

 

[maxmartin]

It sure looks good on the paper. And I'm not even including the Thomas victory.

Haha and AC thinks he can win both Giro and Tour. LOL

 

[Fzotrlool]

Haha and AC thinks he can win both Giro and Tour. LOL

Three GT's in one year. Porte wins the Giro, Froome the Tour and Kennaugh conquers the Vuelta.

 

[maxmartin]

Three GT's in one year. Porte wins the Giro, Froome the Tour and Kennaugh conquers the Vuelta.

sounds about right, if Froom can stay up right not tripping on the pave

 

[The Chicken]

Just LOL at Sky (again). Surely they will be told to tone it down a bit as this is a joke already.

 

[maxmartin]

Just LOL at Sky (again). Surely they will be told to tone it down a bit as this is a joke already.

not getting close, Port beats AC by more than 5mins in the Giro. AC retires after that. Then SKY can declare a new clean cycling era really BEGINS!

 

[thehog]

Just LOL at Sky (again). Surely they will be told to tone it down a bit as this is a joke already.

Doping? No way. It's technology

 

[The Chicken]

Doping? No way. It's technology

Haha yeh I had a good laugh at JV's comments on roadcc too.

Seems Sky will be doping with impunity again this season; it'll be like 2012 all over again.