Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[DirtyWorks]

correctemundo.

In 1994 Ferrari was boasting about EPO in the press and subsequently lost his job at Gewiss.
I think Leinders was not interested in losing his job. Preferred stability and security.

lol, but yes, that's probably more or less how it went down. The Zorzoli-Lienders-Sky link is compelling.

Also makes otherwise insignificant pieces of data look interesting, such as Froome training with Levi, who used to buy his EPO from Leinders.

The part I find so interesting is how you stay non-positive at the UCI. Zorzoli issues the tue. 90-something positives reported as TUE's in 2014. How do you get Zorzoli protection? Is he the one that puts the positives in a drawer? How does that decision get made?

At least with the Russia/IAAF story we learned quite a bit. I am confident the level of corruption is similar, but no clues how it works.

 

[TailWindHome]

The part I find so interesting is how you stay non-positive at the UCI. Zorzoli issues the tue. 90-something positives reported as TUE's in 2014..

Where is this stat from?

 

[ebandit]

sky high

The part I find so interesting is how you stay non-positive at the UCI. Zorzoli issues the tue. 90-something positives reported as TUE's in 2014. How do you get Zorzoli protection? Is he the one that puts the positives in a drawer? How does that decision get made?

were these TUEs all for team sky?.......................LOL

but this i don't get...........are TUE's not issued before the race........so without
the TUE the rider would not be competing

with the TUE there is no positive..........so how could they be 'put in a drawer'

Mark L

 

[thehog]

were these TUEs all for team sky?.......................LOL

but this i don't get...........are TUE's not issued before the race........so without
the TUE the rider would not be competing

with the TUE there is no positive..........so how could they be 'put in a drawer'

Mark L

I believe all 90 were for the Dawg.

 

[Benotti69]

In relation to Zorzoli, Martial Saugy still the head of the Lusanne Lab.

Saugy told Armstrong and Bruyneel all about EPO testing in person.

Saugy probably tipped Zorzoli off about positives and Zorzoli told team doc to backdate a TUE and then said TUE was put in TUE file.

 

[thehog]

In relation to Zorzoli, Martial Saugy still the head of the Lusanne Lab.

Saugy told Armstrong and Bruyneel all about EPO testing in person.

Saugy probably tipped Zorzoli off about positives and Zorzoli told team doc to backdate a TUE and then said TUE was put in TUE file.

Having a A and B positive is key. After the A you can stop the process. As long as B is never tested it never happened.

 

[sniper]

In relation to Zorzoli, Martial Saugy still the head of the Lusanne Lab.

Saugy told Armstrong and Bruyneel all about EPO testing in person.

Saugy probably tipped Zorzoli off about positives and Zorzoli told team doc to backdate a TUE and then said TUE was put in TUE file.

good possibility.

Saugy and his lab are corrupt as hell.
Here he is outlining FIFA's antidoping strategy including biopassport..:

Saugy: The first results are still confidential and not published, but they definitively show that among those top teams, there have been no significant deviations from the norms.

Saugy: All the players have undergone controls pre-competition with blood and urine samples. This is really the optimal programme we can get today in the anti-doping community.

Q: Football is often criticised for not doing enough in the fight against doping. How would you respond to such criticism?

Saugy: FIFA has been investing in the field of anti-doping research for many years. Since the 1998 World Cup in France, our laboratory has been collaborating with FIFA and Professor Dvorak to establish the best strategies in the fight against doping. As far back as the 2002 World Cup in Korea/Japan, FIFA collected the first blood samples and implemented EPO tests in football. Now, its key role in the implementation of biological monitoring is also a consequence of years of research in the steroid profiling of football players.

must be good business doing anti-doping for the likes of UCI and FIFA.

 

[sniper]

Saugy also wrote reports vouching for the thoroughness of UEFA's antidoping setup.
This guy is redefining corruptability.

Might also come in handy to be at the forefront of developments concerning AICAR and how it is being tested for. He coauthored this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rcm.6891/abstract

 

[DirtyWorks]

Saugy also wrote reports vouching for the thoroughness of UEFA's antidoping setup.
This guy is redefining corruptability.

Might also come in handy to be at the forefront of developments concerning AICAR and how it is being tested for. He coauthored this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rcm.6891/abstract

No one remembers he's the leader of the biopassport software?

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...d-to-bio-passport-experts-after-May-2009.aspx
?It is the Athlete Passport Management Unit (AMPU), which is independent from the UCI, and not the UCI who are responsible for submitting random profiles and profiles with apparently abnormal values to the panel of experts.?

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ort-experts-after-May-2009.aspx#ixzz3RmlCkxUS

That's Saugy.

 

[sniper]

No one remembers he's the leader of the biopassport software?

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...d-to-bio-passport-experts-after-May-2009.aspx
?It is the Athlete Passport Management Unit (AMPU), which is independent from the UCI, and not the UCI who are responsible for submitting random profiles and profiles with apparently abnormal values to the panel of experts.?

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ort-experts-after-May-2009.aspx#ixzz3RmlCkxUS

That's Saugy.

Seeing how he's on UCI's, FIFA's and UEFA's payroll, it's no wonder he wasn't ever sanctioned, no not even investigated, after the USADA file.
http://www.srf.ch/sport/mehr-sport/rad/keine-sanktionen-gegen-martial-saugy

 

[ebandit]

trick

Where is this stat from?

..............and for my next trick..............i'm going to blame team sky

for all UCI issues...............oops! .........already done

Mark L

 

[Freddythefrog]

How deep is the corruption in sport ?

Even my cynicism is continually shocked by the more I learn. I can only liken this to the corruption of the Metropolitan Police in the late 60s and early 70s. As the man who had worked in the Met for five years before being appointed to the top job said of the task before him "a good police force is one that catches more crooks than it employs".

Against fantastic resistance from many of the criminals within the Met, Robert Mark exposed, amongst others, Drury Head of the Flying Squad and Moody who was not only Head of the highly lucrative Obscene Publications squad but also Anti-corruption affairs within the force. Both were sent to jail.

It appears that sports' problems are as deep seated as those which beset the Met at that time.

Fan-boy Cookson and the well meaning enthusiasts he has brought from BC are completely out of their depth. They couldn't see what was going on under their noses, they are not the men for the fight at this level. You are not going to knock down such deep-rooted corruption without some highly motivated and determined and intelligent individuals. These are not going to be cuddle-able vote-winning people.

Throughout the 50s and 60s as police corruption grew, Commissioners attempted to stamp it out with ineffectual and insufficient actions.

Robert Mark was the first ever Commissioner of the Met who had never been fast tracked but had served as constable, through every position all the way to the most senior job in the country. He was never "Mr Popular" but he had a job to do and did it. His anti-corruption activities moved over 500 officers out of the Met.

Cycling's problem is greater than cycling and is transnational. Germany had the right idea and is looking at criminalising doping activities. The dopers will just switch to a "soft" country or one where justice can be bought. Cycling needs leadership far more determined than anything we have seen to date.

 

[peloton]

Interesting Sky discussion on the Cycling Podcast

The one that costs?

No thanks.

 

[thehog]

The one that costs?

No thanks.

LOL!

 

[sniper]

The one that costs?

No thanks.

We probably missed a highly investigative bit of journalism there.

 

[bobbins]

We probably missed a highly investigative bit of journalism there.

If it's anything like the time Walshe was on some podcast with Richard Moore and Lionel Birnie then it's not worth the bandwidth.

 

[sniper]

If it's anything like the time Walshe was on some podcast with Richard Moore and Lionel Birnie then it's not worth the bandwidth.

Sky talk sponsored by Sky.

 

[sniper]

Or Froome and Dr. Bermon. They are a very righteous bunch aren't they?

untainted.

Ufe ‏@oufeh
Interesting point via @lllludo : Froome's personal doctor Bermon in Monaco is part of the IAAF panel allegedly bribed by the russians

Amazing coincidence. The guy sky hired to read weights in the morning turned out to be one of the best doping doctors in the world.

according to Brailsford and Wiggins Leinders was a "brilliant" (Brailsford) and a "bloody good doctor" (Wiggins)...
wonder how they know if he only read weights in the morning?


As for Kennaugh, "lost five kilos in the run-up to the Tour".

Paul Kimmage asked Brailsford precisely how Peter Kennaugh had managed - by his own admission - to lose five kilograms since he lined up at the Tour de Romandie in late April.

"Through calorie deficit," Brailsford said bluntly, before then expanding slightly on his answer. "Why not speak to Nigel our nutritionist? It's a good question to ask. That is a lot of weight to lose and I totally agree with you. What do we do to get to that kind of weight loss? They're the types of questions that would be legitimate to answer. I don't think there's any great secret in that."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lessons-have-been-learned-says-brailsford

 

[blackcat]

luv the mealy mouthed talking in circles from golem

 

[sniper]

...
Cycling's problem is greater than cycling and is transnational. Germany had the right idea and is looking at criminalising doping activities. The dopers will just switch to a "soft" country or one where justice can be bought. Cycling needs leadership far more determined than anything we have seen to date.

luv the mealy mouthed talking in circles from golem

Lots of corrupt inbreeding in the world of antidoping.

Stephane Bermon: Froome's doc but also IAAF antidoping commissioner.

Martial Saugy: oversees antidoping for both FIFA/UEFA and UCI.

Jiri Dvorak, Gabriel Dolle (Chair of IAAF antidoping and implicated in recent Russia doping scandal), Zorzoli, Francesca Rossi. You name them.

They all co-author papers, meet at conferences.
Main priority: how to keep up appearances and protect the top athletes at the same time.


A 2014 conference on sports nutrition with a.o. Nigel Mitchell and Stephane Bermon speaking had Sir Chris Hoy as a guest speaker.
http://www.isenc.org/stephane-bermon.html

There was a section there titled "what will it take to run a 2-hour marathon", with talks titled "the right genes", "the right training", "the right diet" and "the right athlete" (by Haile Gebreselassie).

just not pretty.

 

[blackcat]

Lots of corrupt inbreeding in the world of antidoping.

Stephane Bermon: Froome's doc but also IAAF antidoping commissioner.

Martial Saugy: oversees antidoping for both FIFA/UEFA and UCI.

Jiri Dvorak, Gabriel Dolle (Chair of IAAF antidoping and implicated in recent Russia doping scandal), Zorzoli, Francesca Rossi. You name them.

They all co-author papers, meet at conferences.
Main priority: how to keep up appearances and protect the top athletes at the same time.


A 2014 conference on sports nutrition with a.o. Nigel Mitchell and Stephane Bermon speaking had Sir Chris Hoy as a guest speaker.
http://www.isenc.org/stephane-bermon.html

There was a section there titled "what will it take to run a 2-hour marathon", with talks titled "the right genes", "the right training", "the right diet" and "the right athlete" (by Haile Gebreselassie).

just not pretty.

remember the quote by Don Catlin to the effect of "you need to give the athletes a wide berth to prepare for world championships and olympics?"

who has hired Catlin recently? Armstrong? did JV also have him in the tent?

wide berth wide berth.

it is the Wall Street MO where they capture the SEC.

 

[The Hitch]

Lots of corrupt inbreeding in the world of antidoping.

Stephane Bermon: Froome's doc but also IAAF antidoping commissioner.

Martial Saugy: oversees antidoping for both FIFA/UEFA and UCI.

Jiri Dvorak, Gabriel Dolle (Chair of IAAF antidoping and implicated in recent Russia doping scandal), Zorzoli, Francesca Rossi. You name them.

They all co-author papers, meet at conferences.
Main priority: how to keep up appearances and protect the top athletes at the same time.


A 2014 conference on sports nutrition with a.o. Nigel Mitchell and Stephane Bermon speaking had Sir Chris Hoy as a guest speaker.
http://www.isenc.org/stephane-bermon.html

There was a section there titled "what will it take to run a 2-hour marathon", with talks titled "the right genes", "the right training", "the right diet" and "the right athlete" (by Haile Gebreselassie).

just not pretty.

Wow, the roll you have been on the last few days I half expect you to find evidence of a positive test at some point tomorrow.

Keep at it.

 

[blackcat]

Sniper might even find out who assassinated the Nutella owner Mr Ferrero.

I think it could have been KGB like then they got Litvinenko at the Savoy with polonium 210 or it may well have been Brailsford and MI6.

 

[Hawkwood]

Sniper might even find out who assassinated the Nutella owner Mr Ferrero.

I think it could have been KGB like then they got Litvinenko at the Savoy with polonium 210 or it may well have been Brailsford and MI6.

The KGB did not assasinate Litvinenko, and anyone who thinks otherwise will be invited to afternoon tea with some friendly Russians.

 

[sniper]

The KGB did not assasinate Litvinenko, and anyone who thinks otherwise will be invited to afternoon tea with some friendly Russians.

Sniper might even find out who assassinated the Nutella owner Mr Ferrero.

I think it could have been KGB like then they got Litvinenko at the Savoy with polonium 210 or it may well have been Brailsford and MI6.

well, I couldn't help noticing Nutella is almost a perfect anagram of "anal TUE".
Perhaps there's a clue in there.