Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[sniper]

Wow, the roll you have been on the last few days I half expect you to find evidence of a positive test at some point tomorrow.

Keep at it.

hehe, had some time on my hands this weekend.

anyway, plenty of evidence as to why we won't be finding any positive test today or tomorrow.

This Saugy guy and the Lausanne lab is another eyeopener (as if we needed one after the Zorzoli farce) of how Cookson is keen to keep the old system and structures alive that were implemented by Pat and Verbruggen and aimed at controlling who tests positive and who does not.

Saugy is completely, and I mean COMPLETELY, on the FIFA payroll.
In 2008 Jiri Dvorak is quoted as demanding WADA to do LESS testing in soccer. WADA agree and in subsequent years Dvorak is all over the place bragging about how clean soccer is.
Now, here's Saugy TOGETHER with Dvorak, outlining how waterproof FIFA's antidoping plan for Brazil 2014 is.
HEre's Saugy alone, defending FIFA wrt antidoping, stating how they are at the forefront of antidoping.
He comes up with a series of incredible statements such as

In general, sports featuring individuals are more exposed to doping than team sports. Given the speed at which information can travel nowadays, it seems to me it would be very difficult to set up an organised structure with which to dope an entire team. But an individual footballer could certainly take drugs.

Now, if you take some time to seriously think about it, as the newspaper Leparisien did, then FIFA's decision to choose Lausanne as their lab to test Brazil's 2014 samples is just plain crazy and can only mean they didn't want to catch anybody. Regardless of the corrupt Saugy (about whom people have already forgotten that he helped cover up Lance's positives), the trip to get samples from Brazil to Lausanne would normally surpass 36 hours, rendering the samples almost completely useless:

according to Michel Rieu, a former scientific adviser to the French Agency for fight against doping (AFLD) quoted by "Le Monde", "the EPO detection window micro doses administered, as is the rule today is only 12 hours. "Clearly, the time of the trip may well make the effectiveness of controls totally void"

The dark side of it is how all these corrupt bodies and individuals are intertwined and, perhaps more problematic, how WADA appears to be completely toothless in the face of so much clear-cut corruption.
Guys like Blatter (honorary member of the WADA foundation board) own WADA.

A few days ago i would agree if you'd say UCI have more credible antidoping than FIFA.
Now I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[Carstenbf]

And there you have it. Sad part ofc being noone seems to give a f...

 

[blackcat]

well, I couldn't help noticing Nutella is almost a perfect anagram of "anal TUE".
Perhaps there's a clue in there.

the missing "l".

as in polonium 208? or polonium 280?

 

[blackcat]

the missing "l".

as in polonium 208? or polonium 280?

it was polonium 210 you d!ckhe@d swear filter avoider.

i I am gonna get the Cheka to poison you

 

[blackcat]

"anal TUE".

pot belge suppository

aka, Lauren Jalabert coke parties in Cannes.

Jalabert caught up in "Cahors affair" trial - http://www.cyclingnews ...

"I was initiated to using pot belge during a party with Laurent Jalabert

d'affaire Cahors ftw

gees, google cache now no longer highlights the words you wish to be highlighted in the highlighted posts for fora alliterationz
someone tell mr googlez we wish the highlight to be returned
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...news2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=ubuntu

 

[ebandit]

talk

talking to oneself................rather sad

team sky talk millions listen......................lol

Mark L

 

[sniper]

reminiscing them days without rice cakes

 

[LaFlorecita]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 3h3 hours ago
Send these to my room please? #PancakeDay #dreaming #notteamskyapproved pic.twitter.com/k8yR9uZEyy

of course if you only snack on beansprouts all day every day you'll start dreaming about Nutella pancakes

 

[thehog]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 3h3 hours ago
Send these to my room please? #PancakeDay #dreaming #notteamskyapproved pic.twitter.com/k8yR9uZEyy

of course if you only snack on beansprouts all day every day you'll start dreaming about Nutella pancakes

Walsh won't be happy with these impure thoughts.

 

[blackcat]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 3h3 hours ago
Send these to my room please? #PancakeDay #dreaming #notteamskyapproved pic.twitter.com/k8yR9uZEyy

of course if you only snack on beansprouts all day every day you'll start dreaming about Nutella pancakes

is this serious? I am blocked from Froome-dawg's twitter feed. the least someone could do would have a @Cound and #Clinic12 hashtag. Do you reckon Cound manages his twitter acct?

 

[sniper]

Not sure where to drop this, but since I'm seeing a correlation with the rise of Sky, i'll drop it here.

2008, an interesting year.

After at least four years of conflict between UCI (Verdrug'em & Pat) and ASO (lead by Patrice Clerc), Patrice Clerc is basically fired and Jean-Etienne Amaury (son of ASO's founder) takes over citing 'disagreements' with Clerc as the reason. How's this for a disagreement:

Clerc has called for the resignation of the president of the ICU, Pat McQuaid, and has attacked the governing body over the sport's doping crisis. "Perhaps they didn't feel the cataclysm was coming, in which case they have failed in their duty. Or else they saw it coming and hid the fact, which is irresponsible. Or else they caused it to rebuild on the remains on what was left, and that is criminal. In any case, the system has failed."

It seems Clerc was genuinely interested in cleaning up cycling, and he saw that to achieve that, it was necessary to take distance from UCI.

Kimmage: "I remember how animated and upset Patrice Clerc was in Pau in 2007 when Vinokourov tested positive. That was in the day when the ASO called press conferences and told journalists, "this is what is happening, we?re not happy with the UCI." I remember that being quite impressive and really having a sense that they were deeply upset at how doping was destroying their race, but I?ve had no sense of that since then. So that?s very discouraging."

Also, Clerc was interested in reintroducing national teams to the TdF in order to take some power away from the sponsors and UCI.
Not to mention, he was a furious opponent of Lance's comeback in 2009.
Commercial fail!
So, goobye Patrice.

That autumn, however, Armstrong announced his return to cycling: within weeks, progressive ASO president Patrice Clerc had been removed from his post and a rapprochement between the UCI and the ASO began in earnest.

So Amaury Jr. takes over and his plans are clear: globalize the TdF in cooperation with UCI and give UCI full control over antidoping.

Amaury ... was optimistic that it [ASO] had "potential for significant development". He hinted that the group's plans for globalisation meshed with the UCI's plan to spread the top level of cycling across the globe.

I guess Contador's positive in 2010 should be seen as a administrative error.

I assume still in 2008 (with Pat hanging medals around BC riders' necks in Bejing and the uncooperative Clerc out of the way) plans were forged to produce a British TdF winner. In the same year in several interviews Brailsford announces his vision of a British TdF winner in the next five years.
In case in 2012 the ASO had not yet understood how much money they could make by having a British winner, Sky made sure to point it out to them

Sky, at one of their bi-annual meetings, briefed the Tour de France organisers ASO about his precise training regime in Tenerife with his personal coach, Tim Kerrison, making a PowerPoint presentation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-slurs-as-Thibaut-Pinot-wins-stage-eight.html

The rest is history.

Tour de France Heir [Amaury] Sees Benefit as Wiggins Win Expands Markets

Amaury Sport Organisation president says Britain is now world's top cycling nation

Here's a 2012 interview with Patrice Clerc expressing a sobering view of things:

Clerc: "During the Tour de France 2008, when we conducted with Pierre Bordry [former president of the French Agency for fight against doping] policy controls that bore fruit, the Amaury group decided to make peace with the UCI. It was a commercial decision. The company chose to change their stance regarding doping in deciding not to intervene in this sport policy to only take on the role, more comfortable, of the organizer. At that time, I clearly explained that we could not come to terms with the UCI, because it was beyond the pale. This is one of the reasons I got out the door of ASO.
...
Q: In the absence of ASO reaction, is the sports ministry to intervene?

Clerc: I do not think so because it is not a Franco-French issue. We need a revolution so that cycling gets out of this situation of permanent compromise of arrangements between small groups of friends.
....
Q: Rabobank leaves, Nike drops Armstrong, will the "revolution" happen through sponsors?

Clerc: Maybe the reaction will come from business partners or distributors. But I'm not sure. Because the success of the Tour is undeniable: the hearings are good, the papers abound in newspapers in July, local authorities are struggling to accommodate steps. And since 1998, the Festina affair, the Tour has survived many earthquakes. The fall of Armstrong is the last episode of the great drama of the Tour de France will celebrate its 100th edition! I fear that this revolution will never happen.
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...olution_1779870_3242.html#uAM32iY8Y6lydLPb.99

 

[pastronef]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 3h3 hours ago
Send these to my room please? #PancakeDay #dreaming #notteamskyapproved pic.twitter.com/k8yR9uZEyy

looks like he reads the clinic and has a sense of humor

 

[blackcat]

the first thought i had was LaFlo was having us on, then I thought that Froome was obviously in on the joke.

We know Wigans has lent a reference to Clinic too. So some pros read.

Hi to pros who can read. And to Kath and Cound, tho I am not sure they can read.

 

[blackcat]

I am waiting til Lance posts a picture of himself at Yellow Rose with a Bob Dylan poster #Clinic12

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I am waiting til Lance posts a picture of himself at Yellow Rose with a Bob Dylan poster #Clinic12

The only reason this Sky thread is so much longer than those devoted to other teams is half-witted, Hitchinny, moby-dicked, Gates-by-ish-esh-er, posts by obvious fanboys of other Clinic regs. Well played.

 

[The Hitch]

The only reason this Sky thread is so much longer than those devoted to other teams is half-witted, Hitchinny, moby-dicked, Gates-by-ish-esh-er, posts by obvious fanboys of other Clinic regs. Well played.

Well, I hope that made sense to you when you posted it

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Well, I hope that made sense to you when you posted it

Heck of a post, Hitchy. You're on some roll.

 

[ebandit]

vent

ventoux?................so the lady is not amused..............talk of nutella

and plimsolls to fill space created by a lack of news still is more relevant

to doping than excess talk of law/finance over at the lance thread

Mark L

 

[pastronef]

the first thought i had was LaFlo was having us on, then I thought that Froome was obviously in on the joke.

We know Wigans has lent a reference to Clinic too. So some pros read.

Hi to pros who can read. And to Kath and Cound, tho I am not sure they can read.

so kind of you
a real gentleman


wow, the hate has reached high levels

 

[Digger]

so kind of you
a real gentleman


wow, the hate has reached high levels

Cath and cound are well able to insult with the best of them. And the latter plays the damsel in distress when she gets it back

 

[sniper]

so kind of you
a real gentleman


wow, the hate has reached high levels

poor Sky. Angry mob accusing them of doping for no apparent reason.

The same mob once idolised Lance Armstrong. They were wrong about him. And they are wrong about Froome.
...
Eggs smashed against the cars, beer too, and when a car slowed enough for the jeering mob to rock it from side to side, that's what they did. The abuse was worst at those parts of the climb populated by Irish and Dutch fans. "Froome Dope" was one of the bigger signs at the Irish corner. All the way up to the top there were fans screaming at Sky riders while mimicking the act of injecting into their arms.
...
As for the mob reaction on Thursday, it was a reminder of how Lance Armstrong was regarded. Once he was the most loved sportsman on the planet. Partly because of that betrayal, the mob was baying for Froome's blood on the Alpe. They were wrong when Armstrong was winning. And they are wrong now about Froome.

History will correct this, as it did the Armstrong story.

http://pastebin.com/UXrzj16r

 

[wrinklyvet]

poor Sky. Angry mob accusing them of doping for no apparent reason.
http://pastebin.com/UXrzj16r

You seem not to have noticed that this quote that you favour is to the effect that the angry mob baying against Froome was wrong, and that history will correct it. Quite the opposite of your usual fare. I knew you would convert!

 

[thehog]

poor Sky. Angry mob accusing them of doping for no apparent reason.
http://pastebin.com/UXrzj16r

All the way up to the top there were fans screaming at Sky riders while mimicking the act of injecting into their arms.

Sounds like a form of street theartre or 1930s French cinema. David really is no fun.

 

[blackcat]

so kind of you
a real gentleman


wow, the hate has reached high levels

I knew about Aicar
Michelle: "not fully"

 

[pastronef]

poor Sky. Angry mob accusing them of doping for no apparent reason.
http://pastebin.com/UXrzj16r

talking about doping (and I repeat again I don't deny that Froome and Wiggins are doped) does not mean insulting other people