TheSpud said:So, Benotti what rule has he broken? And was it with sky or previously?
LaFlorecita said:TheSpud said:So, Benotti what rule has he broken? And was it with sky or previously?
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No, he didn't broke any rules. However, it does look very bad. Sheesh, these Sky fanbois...![]()
TheSpud said:Tramadol is not banned.
So, Benotti what rule has he broken? And was it with sky or previously?
King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:TheSpud said:So, Benotti what rule has he broken? And was it with sky or previously?
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No, he didn't break any rules. However, it does look very bad. Sheesh, these Sky fanbois...![]()
Why?
LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:TheSpud said:So, Benotti what rule has he broken? And was it with sky or previously?
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No, he didn't break any rules. However, it does look very bad. Sheesh, these Sky fanbois...![]()
Why?
uhm, using Tramadol for a TT while you're not actually hurt![]()
Maybe you should have made it more obvious which part of my post you were asking about then? I assumed you wanted clarification about "it does look very bad".King Boonen said:That's not an explanation of why.LaFlorecita said:uhm, using Tramadol for a TT while you're not actually hurtKing Boonen said:Why?LaFlorecita said:ughhh![]()
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No, he didn't break any rules. However, it does look very bad. Sheesh, these Sky fanbois...![]()
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LaFlorecita said:Maybe you should have made it more obvious which part of my post you were asking about then? I assumed you wanted clarification about "it does look very bad".King Boonen said:That's not an explanation of why.LaFlorecita said:uhm, using Tramadol for a TT while you're not actually hurtKing Boonen said:Why?LaFlorecita said:ughhh![]()
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No, he didn't break any rules. However, it does look very bad. Sheesh, these Sky fanbois...![]()
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King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
If you can't see why a rider using Tramadol only to enhance performance while Tramadol abuse is a known issue in the peloton then I'm afraid I can't help you...![]()
King Boonen said:No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
If you can't see why a rider using Tramadol only to enhance performance while Tramadol abuse is a known issue in the peloton then I'm afraid I can't help you...![]()
No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
Singer01 said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
If you can't see why a rider using Tramadol only to enhance performance while Tramadol abuse is a known issue in the peloton then I'm afraid I can't help you...![]()
No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
in the short time i've been on here i've picked up a vibe. sky bad, bad bad bad, naughty bad sky, evil, no reason, i'm crazy, crazy paranoid, sky bad.
or something like that.
p.s. i'm british but not really xenophobic or particularly tubthumping, nor a particular fan of any team per se. but the sky haters on here are what the kids would call cray cray.
LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
We don't even know if it happened at Sky![]()
(in fact it's very unlikely as Roche has only ridden a couple races for Sky)
trying to make this all about sky
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Tramadol abuse is a problem. Many teams, riders and authorities acknowledge this. How can you defend this?![]()
Singer01 said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:That's exactly what I wanted a clarification of. Tramadol is not a banned substance. Any rider can use it as long as they get it from a doctor. No rule has been broken so I fail to see how this can look "bad". Please explain why not breaking the rules is a bad thing.
If you can't see why a rider using Tramadol only to enhance performance while Tramadol abuse is a known issue in the peloton then I'm afraid I can't help you...![]()
No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
in the short time i've been on here i've picked up a vibe. sky bad, bad bad bad, naughty bad sky, evil, no reason, i'm crazy, crazy paranoid, sky bad.
or something like that.
p.s. i'm british but not really xenophobic or particularly tubthumping, nor a particular fan of any team per se. but the sky haters on here are what the kids would call cray cray.
King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
We don't even know if it happened at Sky![]()
(in fact it's very unlikely as Roche has only ridden a couple races for Sky)
trying to make this all about sky
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Tramadol abuse is a problem. Many teams, riders and authorities acknowledge this. How can you defend this?![]()
You're in the Sky thread so don't be surprised is someone makes a general comment about them when addressing a comment to try and keep things vaguely on topic.
I'm not saying it is good or bad, I think trying to bring ethics into professional sports is ridiculous. I'm saying that it is not against the rules (so it can't be used to imply there would be other types of doping going on) and other than that it should be between him and his doctor.
So what is "very bad" about it? Just the fact that he is using a pain killer? That's been going on since pain killers were discovered and unless you're going to drag up a load of research to show that low use tramadol in professional athletes is a serious health concern I'm failing to see what it is, apart from possibly implying that because he does this he'll no doubt fill himself full of illegal dope too?
King Boonen said:You're in the Sky thread so don't be surprised is someone makes a general comment about them when addressing a comment to try and keep things vaguely on topic.
I'm not saying it is good or bad, I think trying to bring ethics into professional sports is ridiculous. I'm saying that it is not against the rules (so it can't be used to imply there would be other types of doping going on) and other than that it should be between him and his doctor.
So what is "very bad" about it? Just the fact that he is using a pain killer? That's been going on since pain killers were discovered and unless you're going to drag up a load of research to show that low use tramadol in professional athletes is a serious health concern I'm failing to see what it is, apart from possibly implying that because he does this he'll no doubt fill himself full of illegal dope too?
Benotti69 said:Nico Roche admits to taking tramadol to enhance a TT performance. This is ok?
Benotti69 said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
We don't even know if it happened at Sky![]()
(in fact it's very unlikely as Roche has only ridden a couple races for Sky)
trying to make this all about sky
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Tramadol abuse is a problem. Many teams, riders and authorities acknowledge this. How can you defend this?![]()
You're in the Sky thread so don't be surprised is someone makes a general comment about them when addressing a comment to try and keep things vaguely on topic.
I'm not saying it is good or bad, I think trying to bring ethics into professional sports is ridiculous. I'm saying that it is not against the rules (so it can't be used to imply there would be other types of doping going on) and other than that it should be between him and his doctor.
So what is "very bad" about it? Just the fact that he is using a pain killer? That's been going on since pain killers were discovered and unless you're going to drag up a load of research to show that low use tramadol in professional athletes is a serious health concern I'm failing to see what it is, apart from possibly implying that because he does this he'll no doubt fill himself full of illegal dope too?
Nico Roche admits to taking tramadol to enhance a TT performance. This is ok?
Are performance-enhancing products OK in your opinion?King Boonen said:Please see the bolded section.Benotti69 said:Nico Roche admits to taking tramadol to enhance a TT performance. This is ok?
LaFlorecita said:Are performance-enhancing products OK in your opinion?King Boonen said:Please see the bolded section.Benotti69 said:Nico Roche admits to taking tramadol to enhance a TT performance. This is ok?
King Boonen said:Benotti69 said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:King Boonen said:No and it seems like you can't help yourself. I know the prevailing knowledge in the clinic is Sky are full of dopers, cheat with the backing of national and international federations and some probably even think they have access to amazing, unknown doping products others don't. But if you're going to start moaning about riders doing something that IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, I'm afraid I'm going to point out how ridiculous that is.
Riders use a vast array of products to enhance performance, some of which are banned and some of which aren't. Complaining about the legal ones is pretty silly. I supposed if someone pops a couple of paracetamol and ibuprofen you'll jump about and say how that looks really bad as well?
We don't even know if it happened at Sky![]()
(in fact it's very unlikely as Roche has only ridden a couple races for Sky)
trying to make this all about sky
![]()
Tramadol abuse is a problem. Many teams, riders and authorities acknowledge this. How can you defend this?![]()
You're in the Sky thread so don't be surprised is someone makes a general comment about them when addressing a comment to try and keep things vaguely on topic.
I'm not saying it is good or bad, I think trying to bring ethics into professional sports is ridiculous. I'm saying that it is not against the rules (so it can't be used to imply there would be other types of doping going on) and other than that it should be between him and his doctor.
So what is "very bad" about it? Just the fact that he is using a pain killer? That's been going on since pain killers were discovered and unless you're going to drag up a load of research to show that low use tramadol in professional athletes is a serious health concern I'm failing to see what it is, apart from possibly implying that because he does this he'll no doubt fill himself full of illegal dope too?
Nico Roche admits to taking tramadol to enhance a TT performance. This is ok?
Please see the bolded section.
Why stop at those 2?
Benotti69 said:Nothing to do with ethics it is to do with mentality and culture of riders and UCI. Riders and teams are always looking for performance enhancement and will take anything and everything they think can help and cannot be detected. Roche admitted to Tramadol andL-Carnitine, but what else is he taking? Why stop at those 2?