Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Rollthedice]

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I want Wiggings, Thomas Geraint and Stan the Man do a Mapei one two three at Roubaix. That would be the icing on the cake for cleans cycling.

Quite possible. Just in case eyebrows will be raised we are already told that bikes with rear suspension and the scientific approach to the cobbled sectors is the secret.

 

[pastronef]

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The sponsorship deal with Pinarello must be under some pressure to deliver more sales.

PInarello's OEM puts an elastomer on top of the seat stays and they've invented a new bicycle never seen before that will change the classics forever..... according to Sir Brad...

Good thing I am not eating dinner.

I wonder if people discovered how marketing PR stuff works just today
it's obvious that they HAVE to say the bike is the best, a step up, marginal gain etc etc

And all the Sky fans will eat it up of course not knowing that design has been around for at least 15 years that I know of. Moots YBB. More recently Parlee came out with one last year.

maybe the british Sky fans who began folowing cycling in 2010
I am a Sky fan, and know that every bike company tries to pull the stunt anytime a new product comes out. normal. I don't see the reason of all the talk I saw here and on twitter about the new bike.
it's marketing baby

 

[veganrob]

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And all the Sky fans will eat it up of course not knowing that design has been around for at least 15 years that I know of. Moots YBB. More recently Parlee came out with one last year.

Honest question, have Moots and Parlee been ridden over the Roubaix parcours at any level? Seems like the right balance of comfort and efficiency for the pavé.

What I was adressing was the fact the technology is nothing new at all. YBB has been ridden by pro CXers for years as well as the original C-Dale Scalpel. Parlee reviews and it was extremely comfortable but somewhat sluggish. I also would put their manufacturing against anyone in the world. But they are small company. Same with Moots.
Also you know that these bike the pros are riding are made not just for them but for the general public. Pros are part of their testing and marketing process.

I am editing this because the bike was the Calfee Manta, not a Parlee. Craig Calfee also does some of the best work in the industry.

 

[red_flanders]

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And all the Sky fans will eat it up of course not knowing that design has been around for at least 15 years that I know of. Moots YBB. More recently Parlee came out with one last year.

Honest question, have Moots and Parlee been ridden over the Roubaix parcours at any level? Seems like the right balance of comfort and efficiency for the pavé.

What I was adressing was the fact the technology is nothing new at all. YBB has been ridden by pro CXers for years as well as the original C-Dale Scalpel. Parlee reviews and it was extremely comfortable but somewhat sluggish. I also would put their manufacturing against anyone in the world. But they are small company. Same with Moots.
Also you know that these bike the pros are riding are made not just for them but for the general public. Pros are part of their testing and marketing process.

I am editing this because the bike was the Calfee Manta, not a Parlee. Craig Calfee also does some of the best work in the industry.

I get it, just curious if anyone had ridden this design competitively at Roubaix. No worries.

 

[deeno1975]

Sky trying to boss the peleton for most of the race and Thomas's spectacular failed attempt at a Cancellera, back to the drawing room (or medicine cabinet perhaps)... Oh well, at least it spared the forums IT experts working on Easter Sunday.

 

[Benotti69]

If only Sky had done some research into the details, i dont think any 'new' fangled bike design/technology has won over cobbles(ISTBC). e.g. These supposedly new bianchi frames that absorb the cobbles are really helping lottojumboNL

 

[Saint Unix]

It annoys me to no end how Sky showcase their complete lack of road racing pedigree every time they show up for a race. Incredible performances aside, their whole way of doing things screams amateur team amongst the big boys. They can't do the basic things right, as evidenced by the following:

1. Riders reacquainting themselves with a ditch for the umpteenth time. Thomas being the most notorious, but far from the only, offender.

2. Riding every race like it's a team time trial and if they're the strongest, naturally they'll manage to drop everyone else, even on a flat stage riding into a strong headwind. If it works in the mountains, it should work on the flats, right? That's why Froome checked his seated attack position in a wind tunnel instead of his time trialling position, right?

3. Froome looking like a loose piece of rope slung over the bike every time he rides.

4. Thomas chasing down every attack for 50kms, because apparently that's good tactics.

5. Continuing to ride for Sir Bradley when Froome was the strongest by a huge margin, thus throwing away a Vuelta win.

If they hadn't been light years ahead of everyone when it comes to the pharmaceuticals, they'd struggle to get their riders to the finish line. Their whole style is all brawn and no brain. Add that to the cornucopia of lies, doping doctors, freakish transformations, bad excuses, complete fabrications about diseases and all the other horsesh*t, it's no wonder they've peeved off a lot of cycling fans.

It doesn't help that they seemingly have more braindead bots blindly supporting them than any other team, despite being the most glaringly obvious doping team since US Postal.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Their whole style is all brawn and no brain. Add that to the cornucopia of lies, doping doctors, freakish transformations, bad excuses, complete fabrications about diseases and all the other horsesh*t, it's no wonder they've peeved off a lot of cycling fans.

It doesn't help that they seemingly have more braindead bots blindly supporting them than any other team, despite being the most glaringly obvious doping team since US Postal.

It's made the UCI and ASO lots of money.

The primitive strategy works perfectly for grand tours. Just bring the power and apply it on alpine climbs and TT's. Which is why, for me, grand tours have lost most of their drama.

The UCI seems to have a formula kind of worked out about how to 'grow" the sport if they choose.

 

[sniper]

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great post, Saint Unix.
you could add
6. The last team (and the first in over a decade or so) to have to withdraw the whole team from a GT due to doping gone terribly wrong...I mean, due to group illness. Any case, pretty amateurish.

The UCI seems to have a formula kind of worked out about how to 'grow" the sport if they choose.

I'd venture to guess Wiggins was the chosen one initially, but some people at the top didn't have enough faith in him and so decided to let Froome have a go as well, so as to be 100% sure of a British tdf winner in the olympic year.

 

[King Boonen]

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If only Sky had done some research into the details, i dont think any 'new' fangled bike design/technology has won over cobbles(ISTBC). e.g. These supposedly new bianchi frames that absorb the cobbles are really helping lottojumboNL

Rockshox Paris-Roubaix SL forks won twice with Ducloss-lassalle (maybe with others too?), but at the end of the day it's always going to be about the confidence the rider has in the technology. Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

 

[msjett]

I start to enjoy cycling again, each and every time Sky fail, they have sucked the life out of stage racing, and clearly thought they were going to do it to one day races....I think in the Richie Porte thread some one had posted a little diagram of peaking too soon (which is funny but quite true), could explain some of Thomas's performance.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

Coaching / racing 101: nothing new on race day.

Seriously entry-level stuff.

ie they should have been racing and doing motor pacing on those bikes before their goal race(s).

 

[King Boonen]

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Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

Coaching / racing 101: nothing new on race day.

Seriously entry-level stuff.

ie they should have been racing and doing motor pacing on those bikes before their goal race(s).

I agree but sometimes I wonder in the Pro Peloton. We see a lot of new tech throughout the year, usually around the Tour, where there aren't even enough units to kit out full teams with them, so I think it might be quite common for people to take the latest and "greatest" into races fairly swiftly. Of course, we'll never really know how much testing most teams have done on the kit as they don't follow Sky's marketing/PR script of "Post on the internet like you are an excitable teenager".

 

[ray j willings]

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Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

Coaching / racing 101: nothing new on race day.

Seriously entry-level stuff.

ie they should have been racing and doing motor pacing on those bikes before their goal race(s).

I agree but sometimes I wonder in the Pro Peloton. We see a lot of new tech throughout the year, usually around the Tour, where there aren't even enough units to kit out full teams with them, so I think it might be quite common for people to take the latest and "greatest" into races fairly swiftly. Of course, we'll never really know how much testing most teams have done on the kit as they don't follow Sky's marketing/PR script of "Post on the internet like you are an excitable teenager".

All tech used by pro teams has to be available to buy. Even Adam Hanson has put a sight up to buy his custom shoes or he would not be allowed to wear them
http://hanseeno.myshopify.com/collections/shoes
Teams are not allowed to use prototypes. Berk " jure " made some seat-post combos for Sky but they could not use them as they were not approved by the UCI etc etc http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... &start=675

 

[King Boonen]

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Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

Coaching / racing 101: nothing new on race day.

Seriously entry-level stuff.

ie they should have been racing and doing motor pacing on those bikes before their goal race(s).

I agree but sometimes I wonder in the Pro Peloton. We see a lot of new tech throughout the year, usually around the Tour, where there aren't even enough units to kit out full teams with them, so I think it might be quite common for people to take the latest and "greatest" into races fairly swiftly. Of course, we'll never really know how much testing most teams have done on the kit as they don't follow Sky's marketing/PR script of "Post on the internet like you are an excitable teenager".

All tech used by pro teams has to be available to buy. Even Adam Hanson has put a sight up to buy his custom shoes or he would not be allowed to wear them
http://hanseeno.myshopify.com/collections/shoes
Teams are not allowed to use prototypes. Berk " jure " made some seat-post combos for Sky but they could not use them as they were not approved by the UCI etc etc http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... &start=675

This is not true. Ag2r are using wireless spam and have been for a long time, I'm pretty sure a few cyclocross riders have been too.

 

[ray j willings]

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Wiggins seems to be fairly mental fragile at times when things don't go to plan so sticking him on a new bike seems a bad idea to me.

Coaching / racing 101: nothing new on race day.

Seriously entry-level stuff.

ie they should have been racing and doing motor pacing on those bikes before their goal race(s).

I agree but sometimes I wonder in the Pro Peloton. We see a lot of new tech throughout the year, usually around the Tour, where there aren't even enough units to kit out full teams with them, so I think it might be quite common for people to take the latest and "greatest" into races fairly swiftly. Of course, we'll never really know how much testing most teams have done on the kit as they don't follow Sky's marketing/PR script of "Post on the internet like you are an excitable teenager".

All tech used by pro teams has to be available to buy. Even Adam Hanson has put a sight up to buy his custom shoes or he would not be allowed to wear them
http://hanseeno.myshopify.com/collections/shoes
Teams are not allowed to use prototypes. Berk " jure " made some seat-post combos for Sky but they could not use them as they were not approved by the UCI etc etc http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... &start=675

This is not true. Ag2r are using wireless spam and have been for a long time, I'm pretty sure a few cyclocross riders have been too.

I took it that all bikes/parts used had to be certificated/ approved by the UCI and they have to be made available to the public to buy. That was the reason given .so they could not use Berks seatpost combo's
Its on Berks thread.
Oh well , I seem to have got that wrong

 

[King Boonen]

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I took it that all bikes/parts used had to be certificated/ approved by the UCI and they have to be made available to the public to buy. That was the reason given .so they could not use Berks seatpost combo's
Its on Berks thread.
Oh well , I seem to have got that wrong

Everything must be approved, but I don't think everything on road bikes has to be available to the public, well it can't be otherwise AG2R wouldn't have a drivechain!

I think track bikes do though which is maybe where the confusion comes from.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Sky

I took it that all bikes/parts used had to be certificated/ approved by the UCI and they have to be made available to the public to buy. That was the reason given .so they could not use Berks seatpost combo's
Its on Berks thread.
Oh well , I seem to have got that wrong

Everything must be approved, but I don't think everything on road bikes has to be available to the public, well it can't be otherwise AG2R wouldn't have a drivechain!

I think track bikes do though which is maybe where the confusion comes from.

Your right. Its UCI approved.
I wonder if anyone has bought one of Sky's suspension bikes?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Everything on the pro's bikes has to be available for public purchase.
They get around it by claiming they are research / prototype items undergoing testing, I believe.

Or, like Sky in 2012, they make it so difficult and ridiculously expensive that you cannot afford or they do not make it possible to purchase - see the bikes used by Sky at the Olympic games.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Sky

Your right. Its UCI approved.
I wonder if anyone has bought one of Sky's suspension bikes?

Didn't they just go on sale this week ?

 

[King Boonen]

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Everything on the pro's bikes has to be available for public purchase.
They get around it by claiming they are research / prototype items undergoing testing, I believe.

Or, like Sky in 2012, they make it so difficult and ridiculously expensive that you cannot afford or they do not make it possible to purchase - see the bikes used by Sky at the Olympic games.

Sky didn't compete at the Olympics fella

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Everything on the pro's bikes has to be available for public purchase.
They get around it by claiming they are research / prototype items undergoing testing, I believe.

Or, like Sky in 2012, they make it so difficult and ridiculously expensive that you cannot afford or they do not make it possible to purchase - see the bikes used by Sky at the Olympic games.

Sky didn't compete at the Olympics fella

We'll have to agree to disagree fella ;-)

 

[SeriousSam]

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Everything on the pro's bikes has to be available for public purchase.

Cancellara's or Ryder's bike would be a massive hit then

 

[MartinGT]

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Everything on the pro's bikes has to be available for public purchase.
They get around it by claiming they are research / prototype items undergoing testing, I believe.

Or, like Sky in 2012, they make it so difficult and ridiculously expensive that you cannot afford or they do not make it possible to purchase - see the bikes used by Sky at the Olympic games.

Sky didn't compete at the Olympics fella

Hmmm, all but name, all but name.

Even the GB kits have Sky on them!

 

[Catwhoorg]

Sky is a sponsor of the Team GB. (Just as they are for Team Wiggins)

The two organizations (Team Sky and Team GB) are very intertwined but are separate with somewhat different management and priorities.
Given the chnage in Team Sky over the last few years, its actually Team Wiggins that appears to be taking on the role that Team GB wanted for Sky. (A safe home for trackies, and a program that complements the track).

Be interesting to see how the three groups with their own priorities interact after Rio.