Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[blackcat]

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Sky's Pravda, the Guardian and noted bully Hugh Grant, pursued Murdoch relentlessly over phone hacking. He was forced to shutter his fav newspaper, an editor was jailed, and he was humiliated in Parliament. I suggest you recalibrate the power of Murdoch to cover-up a jucier story than hacking.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jul/19/rupert-murdoch-phone-hacking-pie

Flanked by his son James, the chairman of News International, Murdoch said he and his company had been betrayed in a disgraceful way, but argued he was still the best person to clean up the company, adding in a rehearsed soundbite that his day in front of the committee represented "the most humble day of my life".

he was not forced to shut it. this was a tactical gambit, leading the story, and attempt to defuse the effect, but if it mitigated it, it did not significantly change the result

 

[Ventoux Boar]

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Sky's Pravda, the Guardian and noted bully Hugh Grant, pursued Murdoch relentlessly over phone hacking. He was forced to shutter his fav newspaper, an editor was jailed, and he was humiliated in Parliament. I suggest you recalibrate the power of Murdoch to cover-up a jucier story than hacking.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jul/19/rupert-murdoch-phone-hacking-pie

Flanked by his son James, the chairman of News International, Murdoch said he and his company had been betrayed in a disgraceful way, but argued he was still the best person to clean up the company, adding in a rehearsed soundbite that his day in front of the committee represented "the most humble day of my life".

he was not forced to shut it. this was a tactical gambit, leading the story, and attempt to defuse the effect, but if it mitigated it, it did not significantly change the result

Really? It was shuttered in a weekend. An editor went to jail (having been the Prime Minister's press secretary). The police had all their hacking files. This was tactics?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-rupert-murdoch

Readers and retailers had reacted with disgust to the revelation this week that journalists at the News of the World ordered the private investigator Glenn Mulcaire to hack into voicemail messages left on a mobile phone belonging to murdered teenager Milly Dowler in 2002, one of the most damaging in a series of reports by the Guardian on the hacking scandal over the last two years.

It also emerged that Mulcaire may have targeted the relatives of British servicemen killed in Afghanistan and Iraq and survivors of the 7/7 terrorist attacks on London. A reader boycott also seemed likely and one independent chain of newsagents said it would not stock the title.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14070733

Serious regret'

In a statement made to staff, Mr Murdoch said the good things the News of the World did "have been sullied by behaviour that was wrong - indeed, if recent allegations are true, it was inhuman and has no place in our company".

"The News of the World is in the business of holding others to account. But it failed when it came to itself."

He went on: "In 2006, the police focused their investigations on two men. Both went to jail. But the News of the World and News International failed to get to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing that occurred without conscience or legitimate purpose.

"Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued.

 

[bewildered]

your take on Murdoch is laughable. A man who every politician in the UK fears, getting 'grilled' by the same politicians. It was like a show trial, amazing how these elites always seem to have 'justice' meted out to them in somewhere other than a courtroom,unlike the rest of us plebs. NotW was 1% of his empire in terms of employees and I'd imagine it was a dead duck after these revelations anyway. It was a no-brainer to wind it up. If you're going to give an example of Murdoch 'suffering' as a result of the inquiry, why don't you rely on the fact that the BSkyB deal fell through as a result?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

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your take on Murdoch is laughable. A man who every politician in the UK fears, getting 'grilled' by the same politicians. It was like a show trial, amazing how these elites always seem to have 'justice' meted out to them in somewhere other than a courtroom,unlike the rest of us plebs. NotW was 1% of his empire in terms of employees and I'd imagine it was a dead duck after these revelations anyway. It was a no-brainer to wind it up. If you're going to give an example of Murdoch 'suffering' as a result of the inquiry, why don't you rely on the fact that the BSkyB deal fell through as a result?

All-powerful moguls, capable of suppressing scandal, tend not to be the accused in a show trial. Keep chuckling.

 

[gillan1969]

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your take on Murdoch is laughable. A man who every politician in the UK fears, getting 'grilled' by the same politicians. It was like a show trial, amazing how these elites always seem to have 'justice' meted out to them in somewhere other than a courtroom,unlike the rest of us plebs. NotW was 1% of his empire in terms of employees and I'd imagine it was a dead duck after these revelations anyway. It was a no-brainer to wind it up. If you're going to give an example of Murdoch 'suffering' as a result of the inquiry, why don't you rely on the fact that the BSkyB deal fell through as a result?

All-powerful moguls, capable of suppressing scandal, tend not to be the accused in a show trial. Keep chuckling.

the deal fell through because there are other powerful moguls within the media who also hold a bit of sway in the political process and the reason that the NoW went down was down to one thing, the Milly Dowler phone hack. If they hadn't had that exposed then they would, rather like the Mirror have got away with it with the one rogue reporter narrative. Remember, that they have i effect got away with it...senior execs walk free...That hack turned what was a trivial celeb based scenario into something that turned everyone's stomach and made the brand toxic...at which point you make a quick decision to ditch the toxic brand...it has been reincarnated at the sunday sun...

 

[Rob27172]

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your take on Murdoch is laughable. A man who every politician in the UK fears, getting 'grilled' by the same politicians. It was like a show trial, amazing how these elites always seem to have 'justice' meted out to them in somewhere other than a courtroom,unlike the rest of us plebs. NotW was 1% of his empire in terms of employees and I'd imagine it was a dead duck after these revelations anyway. It was a no-brainer to wind it up. If you're going to give an example of Murdoch 'suffering' as a result of the inquiry, why don't you rely on the fact that the BSkyB deal fell through as a result?

All-powerful moguls, capable of suppressing scandal, tend not to be the accused in a show trial. Keep chuckling.

I get the distinct feeling you may have more of an axe to grind
Perhaps a union employee or union rep at the NoTW maybe?

He wanted to shut that paper for years due to falling circulation and the scandal gave him the chance to do it with minimal redundancy payments and taking the unions out of the picture
It was a god send to him

He is all powerful because it is not only the uk - he also runs huge amount of the Australian and USA and canadian media - he effectively is able to influence a large amount of the english speaking world if he wishes.

Maybe you should have read something other than the NotW in the past

 

[ewen2917]

Re: Sky

Hi guys
First i will tell that i feel sorry for my English writing, i didnt travel for a quite long time and spoke another langage than french lol
I dont know if anyone of you mentionned that but brailsford talked on Stade 2 last sunday that the GB Team on London 2012 was a result of scientific work and that performance didnt worried anybody
I felt completely disgusted when he said that and a lot of us remember to feel like raped lol
The french team told later that it would be great to control the wheels of the GB team they just sticked a "mavic" sticker on it but the wheels were not some mavic and all those wheels were hide quickly after the race
At this time the results of GB Team were a bit amazing compare to the years before the olympics
I give you the link
Brailsford cant tell that there were any questions on that performance

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2012/08/07/les-britanniques-ecrasent-le-cyclisme-sur-piste-les-francais-aimeraient

 

[blackcat]

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Really? It was shuttered in a weekend. An editor went to jail (having been the Prime Minister's press secretary). The police had all their hacking files. This was tactics?

yes. it was a first strike proactive gambit. they were sacrificing the arm to save the whole (body).

my use of "save(ing)" is rhetoric, could be interpreted as hyperbole, but its not, its the aphorism, and invoked as rhetorical trope.

when you say "shut it one weekend" this in itself, indicates it was a summary judgement from on high, it was not Downing Street, or parliament that enforced an extrajudicial judgement. It would have been a prolonged case if the Media Standard's supervisory board attempted to shut its doors.

They did this overnight, on the tactic they could maintain the other papers who would be able to maintain a plausible deniability wrt hacking.

And Murdoch wanted Parliament to approve his takeover on full overship of Sky satellite cable. The was his piece de resistance in his asset portfolio.

And the paper's readership was able to be cannibalised between his other tabloid/red-top mastheads. It was not a gross loss. The actual net loss, must be seen in context of constraining the fallout to News Of The World, and the other red-tops that were doing the hacking, managed to skate and get a pass. Rebekkah Brooks escapes jail. Coulson has to do time on a prison farm, yes.

But Ventoux Boar, your reading of this embroglio is fundemtally wrong, but it does demonstrate that the people do view the closure of NOW as the penance Rupert paid and was adequate.

I make no judgement on that, but i make a cold interpretation on the action of closing NOW. He severed the arm to save the body. Like a lizard will leave its tail. And Murdoch's company Fox Searchlight produced the film on the rockclimber cutting off his arm when he was trapped by his arm between a rock and a hardplace
#expience

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I appear to have fringe views with regard to the nature of Murdoch's victory in the phone hacking scandal. Useful calibration info. Cheers.

 

[Avoriaz]

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Imagine if Sagan was British and he was a Sky rider. He would've won like ten consecutive TdF.

From the age of 15? Now that would be impressive.

But then we could have argued Sky had a rider who showed talent from a young age and therefore couldn't be doping

 

[TheSpud]

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I think red top papers hacking phones is a massive story, because it had police collusion and is very important compared to a story about a guy taking in PEDS in a minority sport long known to be dirty and full of dope.

The story might be more about the head of British cycling, a pillar of Britain's home Olympics, running a doping program. But I'm sure Murdoch could keep the lid on, if it came to that, using all his establishment connections. Eh?

To clarify, I find it unlikely that Murdoch can rely on the people he was busy hacking for years - a huge story as you point out - to aid the cover-up of Britain's Lance Armstrong.

With Lottery funding at that, which in essence is government money.

Its not Government money. The lottery is run by a private company licenced by the UK Government. There is no taxpayer money involved - it all comes from ticket sales. The funding for 'good causes' is controlled by a Quango, although the Government can 'direct' the main areas of spending, e.g. arts, sport, etc. - hence the money going in to sport before the Olympics.

 

[The Hitch]

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Imagine if Sagan was British and he was a Sky rider. He would've won like ten consecutive TdF.

From the age of 15? Now that would be impressive.

But then we could have argued Sky had a rider who showed talent from a young age and therefore couldn't be doping

I doubt anyone ever said that those who have talent from a young age can't dope. In fact, we are all pretty much in agreement that the peloton is rife with doping. It's just a hell of a lot more suspicious if a guy shows no talent for years and jumps out mid career. I'm sure you can understand why.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

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Its not Government money. The lottery is run by a private company licenced by the UK Government. There is no taxpayer money involved - it all comes from ticket sales. The funding for 'good causes' is controlled by a Quango, although the Government can 'direct' the main areas of spending, e.g. arts, sport, etc. - hence the money going in to sport before the Olympics.

'Public money' serves the same purpose. Denying it would be an enormous scandal (as some seem to, when it suits) is ridiculous.

 

[TheSpud]

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This. Brailsford getting the most terrifyring media mongul in the world behind him is perhaps the smartest thing that have ever happened in cycling. Unlimited money and lawyers. We are up against the unbeatable.

If Oleg had been the sponsor of Sky, they would have been destroyed by now.

Sky's Pravda, the Guardian and noted bully Hugh Grant, pursued Murdoch relentlessly over phone hacking. He was forced to shutter his fav newspaper, an editor was jailed, and he was humiliated in Parliament. I suggest you recalibrate the power of Murdoch to cover-up a jucier story than hacking.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jul/19/rupert-murdoch-phone-hacking-pie

Flanked by his son James, the chairman of News International, Murdoch said he and his company had been betrayed in a disgraceful way, but argued he was still the best person to clean up the company, adding in a rehearsed soundbite that his day in front of the committee represented "the most humble day of my life".

Hacking stories and unethical practices only confirms my perception of how the cycling business is run. When it's being financially supported by corporations like NewsCorp, Gazprom and Orica, you know it's a dirty sport all the way through.

But what makes Hugh Grant a bully? To me, it sounds like he was the victim.

He's always been annoyed since he was caught with Divine Browns lips round his *** whilst he was going out with one of the most beautiful women on the planet. Similarly for Steve Coogan who was exposed as a coke snorting prostitute user (allegedly) by the press.

 

[TheSpud]

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Its not Government money. The lottery is run by a private company licenced by the UK Government. There is no taxpayer money involved - it all comes from ticket sales. The funding for 'good causes' is controlled by a Quango, although the Government can 'direct' the main areas of spending, e.g. arts, sport, etc. - hence the money going in to sport before the Olympics.

'Public money' serves the same purpose. Denying it would be an enormous scandal (as some seem to, when it suits) is ridiculous.

Yes, Public Money would be a better description.

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

Brailsfraud crying on Radio5 this morning coming out with his politicians speech.

God they lap his BS up.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Sky

Brailsfraud crying on Radio5 this morning coming out with his politicians speech.

God they lap his BS up.

Crying for reals?

After Hayles got pinged Brailsford hinted that he thought of quitting.

He is certainly manipulative.

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

Brailsfraud crying on Radio5 this morning coming out with his politicians speech.

God they lap his BS up.

Crying for reals?

After Hayles got pinged Brailsford hinted that he thought of quitting.

He is certainly manipulative.

Nah he doesnt have a heart to cry

Its just all BS that is getting reeled out. Bob Howden head of BC now on saying its unfair on Sky releasing the data.

 

[Saint Unix]

Re: Sky

Brailsfraud is many things, and manipulative is definitely one of them.

 

[MartinGT]

Bob Howden saying they want the media to be fair and get rid of ex dopers on the media.

Apart from Saint Millar

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Its not Government money. The lottery is run by a private company licenced by the UK Government. There is no taxpayer money involved - it all comes from ticket sales. The funding for 'good causes' is controlled by a Quango, although the Government can 'direct' the main areas of spending, e.g. arts, sport, etc. - hence the money going in to sport before the Olympics.

'Public money' serves the same purpose. Denying it would be an enormous scandal (as some seem to, when it suits) is ridiculous.

Yes, Public Money would be a better description.

Agreed. Lets use that.

 

[Benotti69]

see below

 

[Benotti69]

Sky release footage of a motorhome meeting...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U68WvKmQ_k&feature=youtu.be

chapeau Gerry Mcreary

 

[BigMac]

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Sky release footage of a motorhome meeting...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U68WvKmQ_k&feature=youtu.be

chapeau Gerry Mcreary

That's the Irish dude from Liberty City.

Not so much a French conspirancy now, eh.

 

[Jspear]

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Sky release footage of a motorhome meeting...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U68WvKmQ_k&feature=youtu.be

chapeau Gerry Mcreary

Very good!