Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[El Pistolero]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

you are right, but you know, the clinic does not care about doping. dope (in this case with a "legal painkiller" not banned) as long as you want, but dont tell lies, cause you´ll go to hell. the Clinic wants to save you

It depends on your definition of legal painkiller. You can't buy it over the counter, rather need a genuine prescription from a doctor (you know, like a genuine reason for a TUE). For a team doctor to be freely offering it around is not only unethical in the extreme but also potentially dangerous and probably verging on the illegal (unless, in the UK at least, he first issued the user with a valid prescription, and then the circle begins again if not genuine).

This is actually a very important and good point to bring up. You need a prescription to take tramadol. Did that doctor have valid medical reasons to hand out these prescriptions so easily? If not the doctor and the cyclists should be charged with fraud. Obviously this isn't just a Sky problem, it's a problem in the entire peloton and should be looked into immediately. Tramadol is an opioid for crying out loud.

 

[ontheroad]

Is there no limit to the amount of lies Brailsford can come up with?

 

[thehog]

Re:

Is there no limit to the amount of lies Brailsford can come up with?

I believe he is currently choking on his own ***!

 

[IndianCyclist]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

you are right, but you know, the clinic does not care about doping. dope (in this case with a "legal painkiller" not banned) as long as you want, but dont tell lies, cause you´ll go to hell. the Clinic wants to save you

It depends on your definition of legal painkiller. You can't buy it over the counter, rather need a genuine prescription from a doctor (you know, like a genuine reason for a TUE). For a team doctor to be freely offering it around is not only unethical in the extreme but also potentially dangerous and probably verging on the illegal (unless, in the UK at least, he first issued the user with a valid prescription, and then the circle begins again if not genuine).

Its a really really bad position for a supposedly clean team/org to take. "pop a pill becos u might get sick"

 

[Night Rider]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

JTL is subject to an NDA with Team Sky so there won't be anything said about them unless he is called to be a witness in any investigation.

Whereas his WC appearance with GB Cycling is probably not subject to an NDA.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

Jeroen about JTL

https://twitter.com/JeroenSwart/status/784269291461894144

good to have first hand accounts but JTL has very little credibility. Especially as he still claims innocence

 

[sniper]

Re: Sky

Jeroen about JTL

https://twitter.com/JeroenSwart/status/784269291461894144

good to have first hand accounts but JTL has very little credibility. Especially as he still claims innocence

Credibility is about motivation.

Denying his own doping doesn't mean he's going to make up stuff about tramadol.
Yes, his tramadol claims have credibilty, as it is hard to think of a reason why he would make it up.
No, his own doping denial has no credibility, as it is not hard at all to think of a reason why he would lie about it.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Is it just me or are the daily mail doing some serious investigative journalism? here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3825848/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-Sir-Dave-Brailsford-package-delivered-Team-Sky-Sportsmail-investigation.html

On September 28, at just after 8am, a text message landed from Brailsford. He said he was gathering evidence to disprove the concerns around the package by demonstrating that the team bus had left La Toussuire before Wiggins completed his podium, doping control and media commitments.

Getting thrown
off the bus
not
under the bus

 

[meat puppet]

Interesting piece. As I read it, the story can go three ways: Nowhere, putting the blame almost exclusively on Wiggins and a serious investigative effort into Sky's practices.

 

[MatParker117]

Here's a question, why if you were trying to smuggle PEDs why would you take it through airport customs? Surely the last thing you would want is to have it either put through an x-ray machine or searched? It would be more suspicious if Cope had driven.

 

[Squire]

Re:

Here's a question, why if you were trying to smuggle PEDs why would you take it through airport customs? Surely the last thing you would want is to have it either put through an x-ray machine or searched? It would be more suspicious if Cope had driven.

The airport customs wouldn't have had a problem with f.ex. blood transfusion equipment

 

[sniper]

That question you can better ask Team Sky staff members. They have reallife experience with smuggling drugs.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Here's a question, why if you were trying to smuggle PEDs why would you take it through airport customs? Surely the last thing you would want is to have it either put through an x-ray machine or searched? It would be more suspicious if Cope had driven.

The airport customs wouldn't have had a problem with f.ex. blood transfusion equipment

A lot of countries require permits to import/export that kind of thing. If Sky tried to sneak one across without one then it would of been seized and having one creates a paper trail. While it is weird I'd be a lot more suspicious if Cope had driven.

 

[Benotti69]

So Sky caught lying again.

Stating TeamBus left before Wiggins could've got injection but youtube shows Wiggins in post race clothes standing by bus.

Also statement claims Cope went to meet Emma Pooley. Pooley says not true as she was in Spain at a race.

The so called 'masters of details' leave no stone unturned cant even get the lies straight.

Oh dear.

Again why the need to lie. I mean if the injection was legal why the lies? The lies point firmly to one thing. Cheating/doping.

 

[sniper]

Still, I mean, I expected some things to come out sooner or later, but that Brailsbot of all people would be the one digging Sky's own hole in such amazingly incompetent fashion. Slightly surprosing.
And at such an early stage. I mean with Us postal it took a lot more time before they completely hung themselves in a web of lies.
Sky is already at that stage.
It's the stage where nobody with a quarter of a brain believes them.

 

[sniper]

Still, I think its too early to cheer.
It's good that we can call them dopers now without facing libel issues. But as long as Reedie and Cookson have anything to say about it, Sky will not face any consequences.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Still, I think its too early to cheer.
It's good that we can call them dopers now without facing libel issues. But as long as Reedie and Cookson have anything to say about it, Sky will not face any consequences.

Reedie is on shaky ground. Cookson will find it hard to distance himself from anything that sticks bigger than falsifying TUEs.

But Brailsford seems to be in a place of panic and being trapped into telling lies. But then when you tell one lie, you have keep telling lies to cover the lies already told and sooner or later it is revealed you were lying. Silly really. They should've quit in 2012 and no one would be here now shaking in their boots.....

 

[sniper]

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Re: Re:

Here's a question, why if you were trying to smuggle PEDs why would you take it through airport customs? Surely the last thing you would want is to have it either put through an x-ray machine or searched? It would be more suspicious if Cope had driven.

The airport customs wouldn't have had a problem with f.ex. blood transfusion equipment

A lot of countries require permits to import/export that kind of thing. If Sky tried to sneak one across without one then it would of been seized and having one creates a paper trail. While it is weird I'd be a lot more suspicious if Cope had driven.

Depend of what it is, a substance that is banned by the wada code could be pefectly legal, i.e. most Research Chemichals are legal to possess in most country as long as you don't intend to use them for human consumption. Have to admit i don't know the swiss law on this tough...

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

Strange considering they knew the ending of USPS, it sunk, maybe they only read the Armstrong/Bruyneel books without reading the true stories.

The arrogance of persuading Walsh to be their puppy and having Murdoch backing them shows that Sky/TeamGB believed their own BS.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

Strange considering they knew the ending of USPS, it sunk, maybe they only read the Armstrong/Bruyneel books without reading the true stories.

The arrogance of persuading Walsh to be their puppy and having Murdoch backing them shows that Sky/TeamGB believed their own BS.

Its strange I agree.

Or maybe they simply calculated their risks.
2008: "ok guys, we know the risks and we know the rewards. If we get lucky, we will never get exposed. And even if we get exposed in say 10 years from now, we will all walk away from this with shitloads of cash. Who's in?"

 

[.Froomestrong.]

Re: Re:

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

Strange considering they knew the ending of USPS, it sunk, maybe they only read the Armstrong/Bruyneel books without reading the true stories.

The arrogance of persuading Walsh to be their puppy and having Murdoch backing them shows that Sky/TeamGB believed their own BS.

Its strange I agree.

Or maybe they simply calculated their risks.
2008: "ok guys, we know the risks and we know the rewards. If we get lucky, we will never get exposed. And even if we get exposed in say 10 years from now, we will all walk away from this with shitloads of cash. Who's in?"

This.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

Strange considering they knew the ending of USPS, it sunk, maybe they only read the Armstrong/Bruyneel books without reading the true stories.

The arrogance of persuading Walsh to be their puppy and having Murdoch backing them shows that Sky/TeamGB believed their own BS.

Its strange I agree.

Or maybe they simply calculated their risks.
2008: "ok guys, we know the risks and we know the rewards. If we get lucky, we will never get exposed. And even if we get exposed in say 10 years from now, we will all walk away from this with shitloads of cash. Who's in?"

Some will. Not all.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re: Re:

Definitely.
Their arrogance turned into a sense of impunity and their greed into a sense of entitlement.

Now it's just panic on the titanic.

Strange considering they knew the ending of USPS, it sunk, maybe they only read the Armstrong/Bruyneel books without reading the true stories.

The arrogance of persuading Walsh to be their puppy and having Murdoch backing them shows that Sky/TeamGB believed their own BS.

Its strange I agree.

Or maybe they simply calculated their risks.
2008: "ok guys, we know the risks and we know the rewards. If we get lucky, we will never get exposed. And even if we get exposed in say 10 years from now, we will all walk away from this with shitloads of cash. Who's in?"

sniper nailed it.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Is there no limit to the amount of lies Brailsford can come up with?

I believe he is currently choking on his own ******!

Now that's a lie and a half...some are no better than what they claim sir Dave Is