Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[JRanton]

Re: Sky

Still no rules broken. Still no smoking gun. Sky said they'd go right up to the line of what was acceptable when they first started so I'm not sure where these cries of hypocrisy come from.

Sky are subjected to double standards because they're a British team.

Sky denied they used tramadol!

Sky said they would refuse to race a rider than give him a TUE.

Refused to join MPCC as they consider MPCC not strict enough!

Wiggins was on 40mg TUE and former riders claim that gives carte blanche to continue using it over 3 weeks racing.

No hypocrisy here.....never mind the blantant lying.

Sky admitted to using tramadol but said they stopped using it in 2012.

I think we should trust what Sky tell us.............. :lol:

You said they denied using tramadol. They didn't deny using it. Very simple. Even for you.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

LOL some clutching at straws

Do you not read what Brailsford has said since 2010?

Or do you just take the pieces you want to believe.

Sky deservedly getting hammered for lying and hypocrisy.

A team that lies in pro cycling is doping.

LOL clutching a sky lies.......

Pot, Kettle, Black

Sorry. Calling Sky on their hypocrisy and lies? Nope not pot and kettle nor am i black.

 

[rick james]

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Still no rules broken. Still no smoking gun. Sky said they'd go right up to the line of what was acceptable when they first started so I'm not sure where these cries of hypocrisy come from.

Sky are subjected to double standards because they're a British team.

Sky denied they used tramadol!

Sky said they would refuse to race a rider than give him a TUE.

Refused to join MPCC as they consider MPCC not strict enough!

Wiggins was on 40mg TUE and former riders claim that gives carte blanche to continue using it over 3 weeks racing.

No hypocrisy here.....never mind the blantant lying.

Sky admitted to using tramadol but said they stopped using it in 2012.

I think we should trust what Sky tell us.............. :lol:

You said they denied using tramadol. They didn't deny using it. Very simple. Even for you.

Sorry Sky 'claimed' to have stopped using it. I don't believe them. I hope you can comprehend that. Even you.

 

[rick james]

well, I for one are shocked that you don't believe the big bad Brits

 

[JRanton]

Re: Re:

LOL some clutching at straws

The greatest transformations of all time (according to the clinic) were achieved due to the use of a painkiller that isn't on the banned list and a Corticosteroid that isn't even banned when taken out of competition. Clinic logic.

One of the greatest transformations, yep a guy who was in 2007 spewing hate against dopers due to him being in the grupetto. Then he joined the club.

That Wiggins was caught using one of the most power PEDs which he claims to have taken as prevantative, which is illegal according to rules.

IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE UP A SICKNESS TO GET A TUE. ILLEGAL!

Now his team lied about TUEs, so lets just call that the tip of the PED iceberg. I mean if they are going to lie about TUEs, what else are they taking? Not hard to make a leap to imagine lots!!! Add in Leinders, Tenerfie, Knaven, Cioni, De Jongh, Mick Rogers, Jullich, Yates et al and we see a top tier team of experienced dopers!!!

Froome who had no TUEs for the 2012 TdF made Wiggins look ordinary. The TdF12 was designed for Wiggins and he still wasn't the stronges rider with huge Kenacort injections!

He didn't make up a sickness to get a TUE so therefore it wasn't illegal. Asthma and allergy meds are by definition taken as preventative medication. You don't wait for the attack to happen before taking your medication.

The team didn't lie about TUE's. Again, Sky stated they would go right up to the line of what was acceptable and would use all legal methods to achieve their aims. That's exactly what they've done.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

LOL some clutching at straws

The greatest transformations of all time (according to the clinic) were achieved due to the use of a painkiller that isn't on the banned list and a Corticosteroid that isn't even banned when taken out of competition. Clinic logic.

eh...no

the transformation required far more than that...the TUE is just a little indicator...part of the a la carte menu if you like....

Wiggins GT champion...how we laughed for about 10 years (in the gruppetto)...

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Sky lied about being transparent, not using in cpmpetition TUEs and not knowing Leinders past.
As mastermind Brailscort once said, you don't lie on Monday but not on tuesday.

Sky have been more transparent than pretty much every other team. I don't believe they ever said they'd never use an in competition TUE. There's also no proof that Brailsford and Peters were aware of Leinders' past.

other teams didn't even use the word transparency.

Yes they did.

There is. Well, unless Wiggins lied.

 

[rick james]

so deep down Sky should have came into cycling said nothing, said nothing about being clean, said nothing about transparency?

 

[JRanton]

Re: Re:

LOL some clutching at straws

The greatest transformations of all time (according to the clinic) were achieved due to the use of a painkiller that isn't on the banned list and a Corticosteroid that isn't even banned when taken out of competition. Clinic logic.

eh...no

the transformation required far more than that...the TUE is just a little indicator...part of the a la carte menu if you like....

Wiggins GT champion...how we laughed for about 10 years (in the gruppetto)...

If the transformation required far more than that (ie: illegal methods) then we'll need to see evidence of it. It's now five years on from when Sky made their breakthrough as a GC team and there is still no credible evidence whatsoever that they've ever broken any rules. They've been under huge scrutiny during that time, major international news corporations have conduced their own investigations (Daily Mail) and they've found absolutely *** all. Now why is that? Maybe it's because they actually haven't done anything wrong and haven't broken any rules!

Compare and contrast the amount of credible evidence, which included multiple witness testimony, that there was against Armstrong and his team five years on from his first Tour triumph.

 

[JRanton]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

so deep down Sky should have came into cycling said nothing, said nothing about being clean, said nothing about transparency?

Can you point to other teams that made these claims when they started?

Armstrong did it when he made his comeback 2009 at a big press conference in LA, but as it turned out that was all lies too.

 

[rick james]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

so deep down Sky should have came into cycling said nothing, said nothing about being clean, said nothing about transparency?

Can you point to other teams that made these claims when they started?

Armstrong did it when he made his comeback 2009 at a big press conference in LA, but as it turned out that was all lies too.

well if Lance done it....really what hell has Lance Armstrong got to do with team Sky?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

LOL some clutching at straws

The greatest transformations of all time (according to the clinic) were achieved due to the use of a painkiller that isn't on the banned list and a Corticosteroid that isn't even banned when taken out of competition. Clinic logic.

eh...no

the transformation required far more than that...the TUE is just a little indicator...part of the a la carte menu if you like....

Wiggins GT champion...how we laughed for about 10 years (in the gruppetto)...

If the transformation required far more than that (ie: illegal methods) then we'll need to see evidence of it. It's now five years on from when Sky made their breakthrough as a GC team and there is still no credible evidence whatsoever that they've ever broken any rules. They've been under huge scrutiny during that time, major international news corporations have conduced their own investigations (Daily Mail) and they've found absolutely **** all. Now why is that? Maybe it's because they actually haven't done anything wrong and haven't broken any rules!

Compare and contrast the amount of credible evidence, which included multiple witness testimony, that there was against Armstrong and his team five years on from his first Tour triumph.

Doping doctor, Geert Leinders coincided with Sky wins. Check

Former doped riders. Yates, Knaven, Cioni, Julich, Barry, Flecha, Rogers. Check

LIes about substances taken. Check.

Lies about TUEs. Check

Lies about Zero Tolerance. Check

Lies about transparency. Check.

Lies about proving you can win the Tour clean. Check

Rider GT transformations from grupetto to GT wins. Check

Claims for transformations = lies. Check.

Cheating. Check.

Lying to the public. Check.

Sky made the big promises and failed to deliver.

That in cycling is credible evidence of cheating.

Cheating in cycling means doping.

The culture is to dope.

Can you point to who, when and where that culture changed?

I see that Sky fully embraced that culture by hiring some of the most experienced dopers in 2011. Leinders, Yates, Jullich etc..

Not sure when you started watching cycling but history tells us that those that run the sport do very little policing of the cheating.

Cookson has proven just as big a liar as Sky. He promised transparency and independent anti-doping fully funded.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

so deep down Sky should have came into cycling said nothing, said nothing about being clean, said nothing about transparency?

Can you point to other teams that made these claims when they started?

Armstrong did it when he made his comeback 2009 at a big press conference in LA, but as it turned out that was all lies too.

well if Lance done it....really what hell has Lance Armstrong got to do with team Sky?

Actually a lot of what Sky has done mirrors USPS. But an old timer fan like you knows this.

 

[rick james]

are you just making things up to write check beside it?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

Sky said they would not do it like that. I know it's crazy, a pro cycling team lying about what substances they would take!!!

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

are you just making things up to write check beside it?

Are you calling me a liar?

 

[sniper]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

don't be silly.
he's trying to get back in cycling.
what did you expect him to say?

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

you are right, but you know, the clinic does not care about doping. dope (in this case with a "legal painkiller" not banned) as long as you want, but dont tell lies, cause you´ll go to hell. the Clinic wants to save you

 

[MmeDesgrange]

Assuming this has been posted and is under discussion elsehwere, sinon http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3825849/UK-Anti-Doping-investigate-Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-Team-Sky.html Suspicious packages delivered to the Sky Bus, Sir Dave caught out in obvious lie

 

[vedrafjord]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

If there's an inner sanctum of doping in Sky he was never in it - his ridiculous blood values when caught point to someone working amateurishly on their own - if I had to guess I'd say he bought EPO off some dodgy website.

 

[ferryman]

Re: Sky

Honestly, the very fact that the most damning thing JTL can think of to damage Sky/GB Cycling is that he was offered a legal painkiller says everything really, doesn't it?

I know its crazy..Team Sky should be getting the clinics praise

you are right, but you know, the clinic does not care about doping. dope (in this case with a "legal painkiller" not banned) as long as you want, but dont tell lies, cause you´ll go to hell. the Clinic wants to save you

It depends on your definition of legal painkiller. You can't buy it over the counter, rather need a genuine prescription from a doctor (you know, like a genuine reason for a TUE). For a team doctor to be freely offering it around is not only unethical in the extreme but also potentially dangerous and probably verging on the illegal (unless, in the UK at least, he first issued the user with a valid prescription, and then the circle begins again if not genuine).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re:

Assuming this has been posted and is under discussion elsehwere, sinon http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3825849/UK-Anti-Doping-investigate-Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-Team-Sky.html Suspicious packages delivered to the Sky Bus, Sir Dave caught out in obvious lie

Who did they think they were actually going to fool with the attempted Pooley misdirection? Any fan with more than the most passing interest in the sport and isn't completely computer illiterate can just spend 30 seconds on CQ and prove it a complete impossibility, and even if they rely on a fog of dates and fans not checking, Emma herself is hardly going to stand by idly and let her reputation get mixed in with this when she recalls the actual facts well enough to elaborate on how the stage panned out, and has nothing against her name nor much love lost for BC and its top brass given the way they've treated her for several years?