Per weight loss, at least we know a bit more on how it happens. I'll leave this classic right over here (granted it could go in the Wiggo, JV, Sky, Brits Don't Dope, etc. threads. I'll leave it for the mods to decide):
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Matthew Syed @matthewsyed 1:55 AM - 15 Mar 2017
Insiders still split on extent of doping. What amazes me is the certainty of those who claim Froome is dirty. Isn't there room for doubt?
GraftPunk said:Per weight loss, at least we know a bit more on how it happens. I'll leave this classic right over here (granted it could go in the Wiggo, JV, Sky, Brits Don't Dope, etc. threads. I'll leave it for the mods to decide):
blackcat said:GraftPunk said:Per weight loss, at least we know a bit more on how it happens. I'll leave this classic right over here (granted it could go in the Wiggo, JV, Sky, Brits Don't Dope, etc. threads. I'll leave it for the mods to decide):
lipotropin
when Cecchini is telling bald eagle Bjarne Riis to lose the weight, he prolly could have lost another 10lbs with the lipotropin and the lower intestine liquid nutrition enema diet. Ask Race Radio have that diet.
the leannes or Zakarin, Froome, Wigans, Nibali, Hesjedal, #NOTnormal, its the lipotropin idjits...
Some others are on it, but it really is only effective for riders who need their power-weight going uphill.
You can see how Simon Gerrans did a game-theory triangulation, he never lost a kilogram, and he became the fastest rider in the peloton in those decimated group sprints from 45kmph starting speed. He became as fast as riders like Michael Matthews who lost 3lbs, and Philippe Gilbert, both who would have pumped him previously, and Valverde. Gerro looks like he has leaned up this offseason, it could be an error if he can no longer win those sprints that he was able to in the last four years when everyone has lost the weight.
thehog said:It's not losing the weight but "losing the fat".
blackcat said:GraftPunk said:Per weight loss, at least we know a bit more on how it happens. I'll leave this classic right over here (granted it could go in the Wiggo, JV, Sky, Brits Don't Dope, etc. threads. I'll leave it for the mods to decide):
lipotropin
when Cecchini is telling bald eagle Bjarne Riis to lose the weight, he prolly could have lost another 10lbs with the lipotropin and the lower intestine liquid nutrition enema diet. Ask Race Radio have that diet.
the leannes or Zakarin, Froome, Wigans, Nibali, Hesjedal, #NOTnormal, its the lipotropin idjits...
Some others are on it, but it really is only effective for riders who need their power-weight going uphill.
You can see how Simon Gerrans did a game-theory triangulation, he never lost a kilogram, and he became the fastest rider in the peloton in those decimated group sprints from 45kmph starting speed. He became as fast as riders like Michael Matthews who lost 3lbs, and Philippe Gilbert, both who would have pumped him previously, and Valverde. Gerro looks like he has leaned up this offseason, it could be an error if he can no longer win those sprints that he was able to in the last four years when everyone has lost the weight.
GraftPunk said:Per weight loss, at least we know a bit more on how it happens. I'll leave this classic right over here (granted it could go in the Wiggo, JV, Sky, Brits Don't Dope, etc. threads. I'll leave it for the mods to decide):
Dan2016 said:What the hell? Am I doing it wrong eating food? Do I need to stick a dirty big tube up my arsenal to go full-marginals?
fmk_RoI said:Have seen it several places and I'm sure I have a note of it to use somewhere, for the life of me I'm not recalling where right now. Can't even remember who it was said it. But as you show with the names you've listed, there's plenty of riders through history to justify it.King Boonen said:I'm pretty sure it was Guimard, or an earlier coach, possibly Stablinski. it might even have been give me a good track rider rather than IP rider, it was in Fotheringhams' recent book on Hinault.
The Hegelian said:[quote="King Boonen":ufoc9wa5][quote="The Hegelian":ufoc9wa5]Other than Berzin or Wiggins, anyone know which other IP or TP riders have won GT's?? Or contended/podiumed?
And what are Orica doing wasting their time with Chaves & the Yates boys? Are they just biding time until Hepburn and Durbridge **mature**?
King Boonen said:fmk_RoI said:Have seen it several places and I'm sure I have a note of it to use somewhere, for the life of me I'm not recalling where right now. Can't even remember who it was said it. But as you show with the names you've listed, there's plenty of riders through history to justify it.King Boonen said:I'm pretty sure it was Guimard, or an earlier coach, possibly Stablinski. it might even have been give me a good track rider rather than IP rider, it was in Fotheringhams' recent book on Hinault.
Yep, and I'm sure the quote never mentioned medalists, just good riders.
The Hegelian said:[quote="King Boonen":4xtclsem][quote="The Hegelian":4xtclsem]Other than Berzin or Wiggins, anyone know which other IP or TP riders have won GT's?? Or contended/podiumed?
And what are Orica doing wasting their time with Chaves & the Yates boys? Are they just biding time until Hepburn and Durbridge **mature**?
Coppi, Altig, Moser, Koblet, Anquetil, Brankart,Bracke are all IP medalists that have gone on to win/compete in GTs.
These would chime well with the quote considering the time frame. Lapize won bronze in the 100km track race in 1908.
TP I'm not sure about, either UCI or OG, Tom Simpson certainly rode it if he counts.
King Boonen said:fmk_RoI said:Have seen it several places and I'm sure I have a note of it to use somewhere, for the life of me I'm not recalling where right now. Can't even remember who it was said it. But as you show with the names you've listed, there's plenty of riders through history to justify it.King Boonen said:I'm pretty sure it was Guimard, or an earlier coach, possibly Stablinski. it might even have been give me a good track rider rather than IP rider, it was in Fotheringhams' recent book on Hinault.
Yep, and I'm sure the quote never mentioned medalists, just good riders.
The Hegelian said:[quote="King Boonen":2m9uqs6d][quote="The Hegelian":2m9uqs6d]Other than Berzin or Wiggins, anyone know which other IP or TP riders have won GT's?? Or contended/podiumed?
And what are Orica doing wasting their time with Chaves & the Yates boys? Are they just biding time until Hepburn and Durbridge **mature**?
Coppi, Altig, Moser, Koblet, Anquetil, Brankart,Bracke are all IP medalists that have gone on to win/compete in GTs.
These would chime well with the quote considering the time frame. Lapize won bronze in the 100km track race in 1908.
TP I'm not sure about, either UCI or OG, Tom Simpson certainly rode it if he counts.
Well put. That's the biggie:B_Ugli said:Which takes us back to what exactly is 'clean'? ... Clean is such a subjective subject based around an objective set of rules.
Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
bigcog said:Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
No he told them he hadn't used them according to the doctor. They are idiots though, they should have reported it.
Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
GraftPunk said:bigcog said:Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
No he told them he hadn't used them according to the doctor. They are idiots though, they should have reported it.
I can't decide if this a distraction/deflection on their part, or this is just the slippery slope of admissions and info to come. poor kid though, he sounds like he wasn't in the best place mentally no matter what. Hope he gets the support and help he needs.
JRanton said:Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
He admits himself he was depressed. Some things are best left unreported. The press would have gone to town on it with no regard for the rider's wellbeing.
Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
JRanton said:Remmie123 said:Singer01 said:Edmonsdson, semi confession. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763, he did it without team knowledge, but they allegedly tried to keep it quiet.
Im just watching this on bbc news now, its said the team found a needle and vitamins in his room, but didn't report it due to being "worried about his mental state" and he admitted it to the team but it was covered up.
Another profound example of transparency.
He admits himself he was depressed. Some things are best left unreported. The press would have gone to town on it with no regard for the rider's wellbeing.