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Benotti69 said:
ontheroad said:
Frightening dominance, Thomas beating Tony Martin in what was Martins speciality and seasons goal is freakish in itself but to do it after coming back from a bad injury in the Giro.....that takes some doing. Froome took time out of all his GC rivals so the sky train will be getting oiled in readiness for riding tempo riding 450w up mountains again.

Yep unless more bad weather and crashes cause upsets it is going to be a boring 3 weeks to watch this Tour.

I can't imagine ASO are pleased either. Too obvious.

I blame ASO for this as much as the UCI.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
Benotti69 said:
ontheroad said:
Frightening dominance, Thomas beating Tony Martin in what was Martins speciality and seasons goal is freakish in itself but to do it after coming back from a bad injury in the Giro.....that takes some doing. Froome took time out of all his GC rivals so the sky train will be getting oiled in readiness for riding tempo riding 450w up mountains again.

Yep unless more bad weather and crashes cause upsets it is going to be a boring 3 weeks to watch this Tour.

I can't imagine ASO are pleased either. Too obvious.

I blame ASO for this as much as the UCI.

Sure, they are as culpable for the doping/cheating culture as any.
 
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I think Sky is/are dirty, but going hystercal about Sky after a 14K wet TT is a bit much. The top 20 riders finished within 30 seconds of GT, so describing that as "frightening dominance" is a bit previous, as they say. A short, technical TT on wet (new) roads is a lottery, and a power rider like Martin is at disadvantage as his power is likely to send him into the barriers as it is to get the win.
 
Slightly be surprised by some of the outrage here. Obviously Sky are ridiculously suspicious and have been for ages for all manner of reasons. But Thomas, Kwiatkowski and Kiryienka all doing very well in a 14km flat TT isn't really news. It's consistent with the form they've all shown for the best part of five years now.

Sky signed two of them when they were already elite TTists, and the other one they signed as the reigning Olympic pursuit champion.

Once again, Froome is the odd one out. The one that transformed from a donkey to the second coming of Indurain while on the team.
 
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JosephK said:
Tony Martin beaten in the ITT by not just one, but two Sky domestiques. This year's TDF is the five-year anniversary of the 2012 Sky Train edition, and the train is going to be better than ever, this year. LOL.
Also beaten by Stefan Kung...
Also just 2 secs faster than Trentin

Tony Martin is declining...
Lost to Porte at the Dauphine..
 
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ontheroad said:
Frightening dominance, Thomas beating Tony Martin in what was Martins speciality and seasons goal is freakish in itself but to do it after coming back from a bad injury in the Giro.....that takes some doing. Froome took time out of all his GC rivals so the sky train will be getting oiled in readiness for riding tempo riding 450w up mountains again.


How many TT's has Tony Martin won this year?
 
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Galic Ho said:
Not Clean.

Crap all year, all of the team except Kwiatkowski and Kirienka.

Turns up to Dusseldorf and their Dauphine complete and utter lack of form team wise relative to 2016; it is just too much to take.

Seriously Team Sky? Did you have to go to the absurd. Porte is the gauge.

Dauphine destroyed your whole team alone.

4 riders on their squad put 35-40 seconds into him today! 40 seconds.

It's the fact the team as a whole has sucked all year long and now boom! We've got the form.

Not clean. Looks beyond dirty.

Either be on form all year, or drop the charade. Didn't believe it with Armstrong, so not buying this.

You guys had better go back to sucking as a team asap!! Your number is up...

The reason they put 40 seconds into Porte is because he decided to be very careful after seeing Roche crash, he said it himself in an interview. Sky took a different view of the stage and took more risks. Your use of Porte as gauge is a load of bs.
 
Tony Martin being beaten is hardly an argument. Tony Martin get's beaten by so many these days, he is declining fast and only like the 7th or 8th best ITT-er. The fact he won the World Champs last year was more thanks to better riders being fatigued or out of shape then on merit.
 
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Pantani_lives said:
You can't have four riders in the top 8 without being doped to the toes. People who believe they are clean are brainwashed imbeciles.
But why has it come as a surprise that these four riders all finish top 10 in a TT? They've all been excellent TTists for five years now and were among the favourites at the start. Of course this and pretty much everything surrounding Sky is massively suspicious, but the result is consistent with performances that Thomas, Kiryienka and Kwiatkowski were doing before they joined Sky as well.

Perhaps a more nuanced take would be that Sky signed these riders because of their huge engines; and because they are top 10 riders in a TT. In which case the doping accusations are surely against the whole peloton as much as against Sky in this instance.
 
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Ridiculous comments as always from the anti-sky clinic. I would have found it more suspicious had one of kwiatowski, kiriyenka, froome and Thomas not been in the top 10. Not sky's fault they sign the best riders and have the biggest budget. Shame most people here are so driven by their hate of team sky they forget what great riders these guys are.
 
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bigcog said:
Galic Ho said:
Not Clean.

Crap all year, all of the team except Kwiatkowski and Kirienka.

Turns up to Dusseldorf and their Dauphine complete and utter lack of form team wise relative to 2016; it is just too much to take.

Seriously Team Sky? Did you have to go to the absurd. Porte is the gauge.

Dauphine destroyed your whole team alone.

4 riders on their squad put 35-40 seconds into him today! 40 seconds.

It's the fact the team as a whole has sucked all year long and now boom! We've got the form.

Not clean. Looks beyond dirty.

Either be on form all year, or drop the charade. Didn't believe it with Armstrong, so not buying this.

You guys had better go back to sucking as a team asap!! Your number is up...

The reason they put 40 seconds into Porte is because he decided to be very careful after seeing Roche crash, he said it himself in an interview. Sky took a different view of the stage and took more risks. Your use of Porte as gauge is a load of bs.

Did you watch the stage? Froome was treading carefully around corners also and even if he hadn't been, safe cornering would account for 10-15 seconds at most in a 14k TT. Froome was clearly taking a huge chunk of time on all his main rivals in the straights. Ominous. Or maybe it was just because he sought out the dry patches on the road as Kirby acclaimed him for in commentary!!
 
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ontheroad said:
bigcog said:
Galic Ho said:
Not Clean.

Crap all year, all of the team except Kwiatkowski and Kirienka.

Turns up to Dusseldorf and their Dauphine complete and utter lack of form team wise relative to 2016; it is just too much to take.

Seriously Team Sky? Did you have to go to the absurd. Porte is the gauge.

Dauphine destroyed your whole team alone.

4 riders on their squad put 35-40 seconds into him today! 40 seconds.

It's the fact the team as a whole has sucked all year long and now boom! We've got the form.

Not clean. Looks beyond dirty.

Either be on form all year, or drop the charade. Didn't believe it with Armstrong, so not buying this.

You guys had better go back to sucking as a team asap!! Your number is up...

The reason they put 40 seconds into Porte is because he decided to be very careful after seeing Roche crash, he said it himself in an interview. Sky took a different view of the stage and took more risks. Your use of Porte as gauge is a load of bs.

Did you watch the stage? Froome was treading carefully around corners also and even if he hadn't been, safe cornering would account for 10-15 seconds at most in a 14k TT. Froome was clearly taking a huge chunk of time on all his main rivals in the straights. Ominous. Or maybe it was just because he sought out the dry patches on the road as Kirby acclaimed him for in commentary!!
Froome is around 5-10 Kgs heavier. Obviously he'll take time on Porte on the flats. :surprised: :confused:
 
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silvergrenade said:
ontheroad said:
bigcog said:
Galic Ho said:
Not Clean.

Crap all year, all of the team except Kwiatkowski and Kirienka.

Turns up to Dusseldorf and their Dauphine complete and utter lack of form team wise relative to 2016; it is just too much to take.

Seriously Team Sky? Did you have to go to the absurd. Porte is the gauge.

Dauphine destroyed your whole team alone.

4 riders on their squad put 35-40 seconds into him today! 40 seconds.

It's the fact the team as a whole has sucked all year long and now boom! We've got the form.

Not clean. Looks beyond dirty.

Either be on form all year, or drop the charade. Didn't believe it with Armstrong, so not buying this.

You guys had better go back to sucking as a team asap!! Your number is up...

The reason they put 40 seconds into Porte is because he decided to be very careful after seeing Roche crash, he said it himself in an interview. Sky took a different view of the stage and took more risks. Your use of Porte as gauge is a load of bs.

Did you watch the stage? Froome was treading carefully around corners also and even if he hadn't been, safe cornering would account for 10-15 seconds at most in a 14k TT. Froome was clearly taking a huge chunk of time on all his main rivals in the straights. Ominous. Or maybe it was just because he sought out the dry patches on the road as Kirby acclaimed him for in commentary!!
Froome is around 5-10 Kgs heavier. Obviously he'll take time on Porte on the flats. :surprised: :confused:

And Tony Martin is 5-10kg heavier than Froome, yet he lost time on the flats to him :surprised: :confused:
 
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Benotti69 said:
Fergoose said:
A fairly incredible first 10 minutes of coverage of the TDF by the UK's ITV where the great Imlach and his colleagues Boardman and Dave Millar absolutely speared Sky. Making it clear that whilst technically they may not have breached rules, their entire conduct stank to high heavens both before and after the Wiggins TUE revelations broke. A very brave move by a broadcaster to question the credibility of leading performers at the outset of three weeks of wall to wall coverage.

I'd expect nothing less from the outstanding Imlach but I'm still amazed that the broadcasters let them do it. I can see there being very real consequences for Brailsford and Sky from such impartial coverage.

Inside knowledge that the end is near and putting the boot in now takes no courage. Like kicking a man when he is down and out.

They are 5 years too late.
Do you think the end is near for Sky?
 
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Blanco said:
silvergrenade said:
ontheroad said:
bigcog said:
Galic Ho said:
Not Clean.

Crap all year, all of the team except Kwiatkowski and Kirienka.

Turns up to Dusseldorf and their Dauphine complete and utter lack of form team wise relative to 2016; it is just too much to take.

Seriously Team Sky? Did you have to go to the absurd. Porte is the gauge.

Dauphine destroyed your whole team alone.

4 riders on their squad put 35-40 seconds into him today! 40 seconds.

It's the fact the team as a whole has sucked all year long and now boom! We've got the form.

Not clean. Looks beyond dirty.

Either be on form all year, or drop the charade. Didn't believe it with Armstrong, so not buying this.

You guys had better go back to sucking as a team asap!! Your number is up...

The reason they put 40 seconds into Porte is because he decided to be very careful after seeing Roche crash, he said it himself in an interview. Sky took a different view of the stage and took more risks. Your use of Porte as gauge is a load of bs.

Did you watch the stage? Froome was treading carefully around corners also and even if he hadn't been, safe cornering would account for 10-15 seconds at most in a 14k TT. Froome was clearly taking a huge chunk of time on all his main rivals in the straights. Ominous. Or maybe it was just because he sought out the dry patches on the road as Kirby acclaimed him for in commentary!!
Froome is around 5-10 Kgs heavier. Obviously he'll take time on Porte on the flats. :surprised: :confused:

And Tony Martin is 5-10kg heavier than Froome, yet he lost time on the flats to him :surprised: :confused:
OMG! You did not just say that! :D
 

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