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macbindle said:
There may well be a conspiracy.

But do I really care? No.

In the totality of the world's injustices I'm afraid cycling just doesn't figure at all for me personally. Maybe that makes me some sort of heinous schitt, and everybody else can jump up and down and point at me from their moral high ground, but honestly? If doping in cycling is something that gets you so lathered up that you have to post incessantly on a forum then you should probably find a more useful outlet in life for your energies. :D

It's just one big circus and if today it is Froome and Sky, tomorrow it will be somebody else
From one heinous schitt to another ... next pint's on me. ;)
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Who will end up owning Sky?

Murdoch's attempts at a complete take over have been halted ....

Even if they go through, Sky would still end up being owned by Disney ...

But now Comcast has come barrelling in with an audacious attempt to take over Sky ... or is it just a move meant to wind up Murdoch?

Maybe Brailsford is already in talks with the Walmart brats and Louis Vuitton...
I don't think Murdoch cares too much about Sky considering he was using it as a piece for sale to Disney in the break up of FOX. The Comcast bid is higher and Murdoch owns a large shareholding in Sky so imagine he isn't too upset or wound up.
 
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noddy69 said:
fmk_RoI said:
Who will end up owning Sky?

Murdoch's attempts at a complete take over have been halted ....

Even if they go through, Sky would still end up being owned by Disney ...

But now Comcast has come barrelling in with an audacious attempt to take over Sky ... or is it just a move meant to wind up Murdoch?

Maybe Brailsford is already in talks with the Walmart brats and Louis Vuitton...
I don't think Murdoch cares too much about Sky considering he was using it as a piece for sale to Disney in the break up of FOX. The Comcast bid is higher and Murdoch owns a large shareholding in Sky so imagine he isn't too upset or wound up.
Scenario: US regulators block the sale to Disney. Outcome: Murdoch loses Sky to a rival, on the cheap too.
 
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gillan1969 said:
I think the thinking is that the UCI and Armstrong worked together proactively and the same charge is against sky with the close relationship between sky/BC and cookson being in charge at Bc then the UCI with his son working for sky...arguably different than working re-actively when faced with a positive
The main problem with this is that it would require a large number of non-British/non-North American people to be involved, at little benefit to themselves. Informing in the current climate would likely be much more beneficial. I think any help they get/got is the same as any of the top contenders got at their time.
 
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So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
 
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Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
It's always like that:
you wait standing in the cold for ages
and then three buses come along in a row.
;)
Which bus to toss whom?
Embarrassment of riches?
 
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Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
 
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MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope

If Freeman flips it's more important that he take down Brailsfraud and Sutton than Wiggo and the Dawg (and the latter will fall as a natural consequence of the former falling in any case)

And Freeman knows plenty enough to take down Brailsfraud and Sutton. If it looks like the GMC are going to throw the book at Freeman then what does he have to lose...?
 
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MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
Ahhh ... no ... MatParker!!! Why the feck didgya have to do that, now!?! Would suck the fun outa a feckin Ceilidh, I reckon, you would, FFS.

Oh well ... best we know that now ... rather than beatin the piss outa the keyboard all weekend ... with fevered excitement that will come to nowt.

Soldier on, I guess. Soldier on. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Wiggo's Package said:
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You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope

If Freeman flips it's more important that he take down Brailsfraud and Sutton than Wiggo and the Dawg (and the latter will fall as a natural consequence of the former falling in any case)

And Freeman knows plenty enough to take down Brailsfraud and Sutton. If it looks like the GMC are going to throw the book at Freeman then what does he have to lose...?
GMC can only suspend or permanently remove Freeman from the medical register, i.e. strike him off. He wouldn't be able to practise medicine. However he must be well into his fifties and has been on long-term sick leave for many months. It seems he has very little to lose except reputation. Based on past experience, he probably won't turn up for any hearing or decision!

If the GMC found evidence of criminal behaviour and referred the case to the police, that would be a different story but I don't see evidence of that happening.
 
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wirral said:
Wiggo's Package said:
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You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope

If Freeman flips it's more important that he take down Brailsfraud and Sutton than Wiggo and the Dawg (and the latter will fall as a natural consequence of the former falling in any case)

And Freeman knows plenty enough to take down Brailsfraud and Sutton. If it looks like the GMC are going to throw the book at Freeman then what does he have to lose...?
GMC can only suspend or permanently remove Freeman from the medical register, i.e. strike him off. He wouldn't be able to practise medicine. However he must be well into his fifties and has been on long-term sick leave for many months. It seems he has very little to lose except reputation. Based on past experience, he probably won't turn up for any hearing or decision!

If the GMC found evidence of criminal behaviour and referred the case to the police, that would be a different story but I don't see evidence of that happening.
Can the GMC even do that in this case? I don't think they're concerned about anti-doping so what we have is a doctor odering some drugs then sending them back...

Its likely of interest to the public, anti-doping authorities and DCMS inquiry (if it is still running) but after that, what can they do with this? Can the evidence be turned over to these parties. And, if so, does it even show anything actionable from a rule-breaking point of view?!

If true, it doesn't look good at all but I'm not sure I see how it moves things forward much outside of an internet forum.
 
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Wiggo's Package said:
MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope

If Freeman flips it's more important that he take down Brailsfraud and Sutton than Wiggo and the Dawg (and the latter will fall as a natural consequence of the former falling in any case)

And Freeman knows plenty enough to take down Brailsfraud and Sutton. If it looks like the GMC are going to throw the book at Freeman then what does he have to lose...?
One I doubt that the Chinese care given the history over there as for what he has to lose. I imagine that his contract contains a ton of confidentiality and non disclosure clauses and steep penalties attached if he breaks them.
 
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Alpe73 said:
MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
Ahhh ... no ... MatParker!!! Why the feck didgya have to do that, now!?! Would suck the fun outa a feckin Ceilidh, I reckon, you would, FFS.

Oh well ... best we know that now ... rather than beatin the piss outa the keyboard all weekend ... with fevered excitement that will come to nowt.

Soldier on, I guess. Soldier on. :lol: :lol: :lol:
But hold on.

'The Data Protection Act 1998 (c 29) is a United Kingdom Act of Parliament designed to protect personal data stored on computers or in an organised paper filing system.'

I put it to you we have heard sworn evidence that Sky have no organised paper filing system nor is anything relevant stored on computer since the unfortunate theft of a laptop. Therefore the act cannot apply.
 
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MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
MatParker117 said:
Wiggo's Package said:
So Sky have been caught lying about a PED. The most blatant smoking gun yet. Odd this story isn't getting more traction. Perhaps it's just that no one is even remotely surprised. Sky doping story fatigue setting in big time now

That this has come to light only after the GMC got involved, and after UKAD gave up, shows just how ineffective UKAD is. Watch Brailsfraud throw Peters under the bus. And Peters throw Freeman under the bus. Freeman must be tempted to flip (assuming he hasn't already)
The Data Protection Act means that unless any riders involved agree to the release of the information whatever Freeman knows is useless to UKAD and WADA as whatever may of gone down is protected by confidentiality.
You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope

If Freeman flips it's more important that he take down Brailsfraud and Sutton than Wiggo and the Dawg (and the latter will fall as a natural consequence of the former falling in any case)

And Freeman knows plenty enough to take down Brailsfraud and Sutton. If it looks like the GMC are going to throw the book at Freeman then what does he have to lose...?
One I doubt that the Chinese care given the history over there as for what he has to lose. I imagine that his contract contains a ton of confidentiality and non disclosure clauses and steep penalties attached if he breaks them.
So you're not denying that Freeman ordered a PED. And neither are you denying that when Walsh got hold of the story Peters covered the tracks with a lie. Brailsfraud's fingerprints all over that move

Instead you're relying on the Data Protection Act. And a Non Disclosure Agreement. Hold the line!

But you're so close to flipping. Just like Freeman. The cracks are showing
 
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