Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dear Wiggo]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16315_8158870,00.html

around 2:20 Wiggins saying he didnt race v Lance at Le Tour

Thanks!

 

[ToreBear]

I found it a shocking revelation that team sky would bring a mechanic for their Jaguars in the Tour!

This tells me they don't trust their cars reliability.
The car is British.

If the Brits can't even make a car that doesn't need refills of motor oil several times during a three week tour, how can we trust them to create clean cyclists?

 

[Arnout]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16315_8158870,00.html

around 2:20 Wiggins saying he didnt race v Lance at Le Tour

What a bone idle ****er. Did he forget that he missed out on a podium in '09?

 

[The Chicken]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16315_8158870,00.html

around 2:20 Wiggins saying he didnt race v Lance at Le Tour

Why the fook is he saying this blatant lie? WTF.

 

[Bobby G]

Well done Wiggo you complete Norris! Why can't you just be honest. Bleurgh!!! Cycling really is **** sometimes....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16315_8158870,00.html

around 2:20 Wiggins saying he didnt race v Lance at Le Tour

Haha.
I read on twitter that he said that - but assumed it was just a misinterpretation of what he actually said.
That really is quite stunning. (maybe he is stoned)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why the fook is he saying this blatant lie? WTF.

Maybe just out of forgetfulness rather than malice. A bit like when he implied Sastre was charging by only singling out Evans when talking of Tour winners without a stigma attached.

Got to say though, forgetting the 2009 Tour would be pretty monumentally forgetful for a rider who had his breakthrough there. If a fan forgot about the 2009 Tour I'd congratulate them and ask them how they did it. I've been trying to forget it since 2009.

 

[biker jk]

Full Wiggins interview transcript here: http://skynews.skypressoffice.co.uk...ns-lance-armstrong-and-drug-taking-revelation

I am growing tired of the "it was 15 years ago" brush off. LA blood doped at the 2009 and 2010 TdF for christ's sake. Surely Wiggins knows that now.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16315_8158870,00.html

around 2:20 Wiggins saying he didnt race v Lance at Le Tour

It shows the level of respect they have for cycling fans intelligence.

Really is pathetic and it shows how low Wiggins has sunk since his days of calling a spade a spade to outright denials. This what cheating and doping does to you. Makes people into pathalogical liars.

 

[coinneach]

From above meaning from team management.

If Alex Dowsett's retraction has been directed by team management, is it a case of omerta?

No! Omerta would stop stupid young thickos like AD from mouthing off in the first place.....now, second time around, he's just come out with corporate speak.

But we can't have it all ways: either we encourage riders to talk or we don't...jumping down their throats when they say 'sometin' stupid' is just encouraging the sort of siege mentality that allowed Lance & co to flourish. Sky should be congratulated on their response: Wiggo on the money like a good politician in touch with public opinion (majority, not clinic)

 

[Boeing]

The CN headlines Howman on whether US Postal could happen again and Brailsford stunned by USADA disclosures should have a link to this thread

 

[ToreBear]

Haha.
I read on twitter that he said that - but assumed it was just a misinterpretation of what he actually said.
That really is quite stunning. (maybe he is stoned)

Sounds like he was thinking of Lance's Reign 1999-2005 when he answered the question.

Probably a brain fart. Or it's proof he's doping.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No! Omerta would stop stupid young thickos like AD from mouthing off in the first place.....now, second time around, he's just come out with corporate speak.

But we can't have it all ways: either we encourage riders to talk or we don't...jumping down their throats when they say 'sometin' stupid' is just encouraging the sort of siege mentality that allowed Lance & co to flourish. Sky should be congratulated on their response: Wiggo on the money like a good politician in touch with public opinion (majority, not clinic)

Wait what?

Dowsett says what he really feels then changes it completely. How is that encouraging riders to talk?

Good grief.

Omerta in the context of pro cycling doesn't stop you from talking - it stops you from telling the truth about the doping.

 

[MellowJohnny]

Whilst being British and having my favourite current rider in the team (Eisel) - I'm not a TeamSky fan, there is something far too US Postal about them,

Also what Kimmage highlighted also, I'm thinking maybe........

 

[Cyivel]

Stupid thing to say from Wiggins, I mean he rode against him twice at the tour in the last four years, it's not even that long ago that people might forget!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

He seems to have also forgotten the 2009 Giro as well

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sounds like he was thinking of Lance's Reign 1999-2005 when he answered the question.

Probably a brain fart. Or it's proof he's doping.

But Armstrong was doped up in 2009 & 2010 also.
Maybe Fran the PR girl sent the wrong notes to the wrong riders

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He seems to have also forgotten the 2009 Giro as well

Thankyou, http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/h2h.asp

1 25/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 20 : Longjumeau - Paris/Champs-Élysées 138. 105.
2 25/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France 23. 22.
3 24/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bordeaux - Pauillac I.T.T. 9. 66.
4 23/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 18 : Salies-de-Béarn - Bordeaux 147. 103.
5 22/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 17 : Pau - Col du Tourmalet 87. 16.
6 20/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 16 : Bagnères-de-Luchon - Pau 42. 6.
7 19/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 15 : Pamiers - Bagnères-de-Luchon 47. 22.
8 18/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 14 : Revel - Ax-3 Domaines 35. 69.
9 17/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 13 : Rodez - Revel 32. 99.
10 16/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 12 : Bourg-de-Péage - Mende 13. 56.
11 15/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 11 : Sisteron - Bourg-lès-Valence 96. 113.
12 14/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 10 : Chambéry - Gap 69. 129.
13 13/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 9 : Morzine-Avoriaz - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne 29. 17.
14 11/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 8 : Station des Rousses - Morzine-Avoriaz 18. 60.
15 10/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 7 : Tournus - Station des Rousses 31. 15.
16 9/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 6 : Montargis - Gueugnon 60. 37.
17 8/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 5 : Epernay - Montargis 44. 29.
18 7/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 4 : Cambrai - Reims 22. 35.
19 6/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 3 : Wanze (Bel) - Arenberg 8. 31.
20 5/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 2 : Brussel (Bel) - Spa (Bel) 94. 54.
21 4/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 1 : Rotterdam (Ned) - Brussel (Bel) 80. 54.
22 3/07/2010 [Fra] Tour de France, Prologue : Rotterdam (Ned) I.T.T. 76. 4.
23 7/03/2010 [Esp] Vuelta a la Region de Murcia 3. 7.
24 6/03/2010 [Esp] Vuelta a la Region de Murcia, Stage 4 : Alhama de Murcia - Alhama de Murcia I.T.T. 3. 8.
25 26/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 21 : Montereau-Fault-Yonne - Paris/Champs-Élysées 55. 62.
26 26/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France 4. 3.
27 25/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 20 : Montélimar - Mont Ventoux 10. 5.
28 24/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bourgoin-Jallieu - Aubenas 14. 12.
29 23/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 18 : Annecy I.T.T. 6. 16.
30 22/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 17 : Bourg-Saint-Maurice - Le Grand-Bornand 7. 5.
31 21/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 16 : Martigny - Bourg-Saint-Maurice 12. 11.
32 19/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 15 : Pontarlier - Verbier 5. 9.
33 18/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 14 : Colmar - Besançon 69. 49.
34 17/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 13 : Vittel - Colmar 8. 27.
35 16/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 12 : Tonnerre - Vittel 17. 16.
36 15/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 11 : Vatan - Saint-Fargeau 38. 53.
37 14/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 10 : Limoges - Issoudun 64. 46.
38 12/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 9 : Saint-Gaudens - Tarbes 40. 42.
39 11/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 8 : Andorra la Vella (And) - Saint-Girons 23. 37.
40 10/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 7 : Barcelona (Esp) - Ordino/Arcalis (And) 12. 15.
41 9/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 6 : Girona (Esp) - Barcelona/Montjuïc (Esp) 24. 27.
42 8/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 5 : Le Cap d'Agde - Perpignan 48. 41.
43 7/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 4 : Montpellier T.T.T. 2. 1.
44 6/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 3 : Marseille - La Grande-Motte 35. 19.
45 5/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 2 : Monaco - Brignoles 113. 79.
46 4/07/2009 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 1 : Monaco I.T.T. 3. 10.
47 31/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 21 : Roma - Roma I.T.T. 2. 52.
48 31/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia 70. 11.
49 31/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Points classification 31. 52.
50 30/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 20 : Napoli - Anagni 140. 63.
51 29/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 19 : Avellino - Vesuvio 156. 15.
52 28/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 18 : Sulmona - Benevento 158. 65.
53 27/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 17 : Chieti - Blockhaus 94. 9.
54 25/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 16 : Pergola - Monte Petrano 166. 9.
55 24/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 15 : Forli - Faenza 122. 25.
56 23/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 14 : Campi Bisenzio - Bologna/San Luca 151. 43.
57 22/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 13 : Lido di Camaiore - Firenze 163. 93.
58 21/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 12 : Sestri Levante - Riomaggiore I.T.T. 6. 12.
59 20/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 11 : Torino - Arenzano 101. 85.
60 19/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 10 : Cuneo - Pinerolo 86. 12.
61 17/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 9 : Milano - Milano 98. 157.
62 16/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 8 : Morbegno - Bergamo 31. 30.
63 15/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 7 : Innsbruck (Aut) - Chiavenna 106. 141.
64 14/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 6 : Bressanone - Mayrhofen (Aut) 80. 72.
65 13/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 5 : San Martino di Castrozza - Alpe di Siusi 21. 34.
66 12/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 4 : Padova - San Martino di Castrozza 34. 31.
67 11/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 3 : Grado - Valdobbiadene 78. 48.
68 10/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 2 : Jesolo - Trieste 43. 41.
69 9/05/2009 [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Lido di Venezia T.T.T. 2. 3.
70 21/03/2009 [Ita] Milano - Sanremo 108. 125.
71 3/04/2005 [Bel] Ronde van Vlaanderen 81. 28.

Is it just me, or do their last 2 Tour outings together look like they were on identical programs?

 

[ferryman]

Maybe just out of forgetfulness rather than malice. A bit like when he implied Sastre was charging by only singling out Evans when talking of Tour winners without a stigma attached.

Got to say though, forgetting the 2009 Tour would be pretty monumentally forgetful for a rider who had his breakthrough there. If a fan forgot about the 2009 Tour I'd congratulate them and ask them how they did it. I've been trying to forget it since 2009.

I'm not sure at all what to make of this. But no way does Wiggins forget 2009. 1st, it was there (Verbiere sp) he realised he could put in an attack and got Armstrong in trouble and 2nd he got worked over big style by F Schleck and Armstrong in a stage and 3rd he sucked up behind them all the way up that small climb called Ventoux.

 

[thehog]

Regardless I commend what Wiggins said.

There's a lot of fence sitters on this issue and needed the people's champion to explain it.

Yes he's an *** for stuff his said in the past but at least this pushes the fence sitters to the right side of the fence.

I think you need to go easy on him here.

 

[The Hitch]

Thankyou, http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/h2h.asp



Is it just me, or do their last 2 Tour outings together look like they were on identical programs?

The second one was pure fluke. Lance realised after the Avoriaz stage that he wasnt going to win and began a programme of shedding as much time as he could do get a breakaway later.

Wiggins, who had limited his losses to just 1 rather than 10 there, managed a lot longer before reaching that decision and deciding to save himself for the tt, at least until the Mende stage - 12 if not even after that.

But then lance, who was quite a long way off, jumped many places due to his breakaway on stage 16 where the peloton let him have almost 10 minutes. Wiggins meanwhile took it easier and fell places until coincidence brought them together for 23rd and 24th in Paris.

Had the wind blown another way they could have ended up 15th and 40th.

What I do wonder about in the 2010 Tdf is that if clean wiggo was losing to all these dopers - i mean vino was beating him for 1, so was Basso, and Contador (2007 speech), why wasnt he complaining about it like he did in 2007.

 

[Parker]

This is why riders don't say anything. Even if they support USADA's case and denounce Armstrong and say everything that people wanted them to people still have to find some fault in it because they referred to Armstrong's Tour winning years and not the comeback years. As though it's important.

David Moncoutie got it right. 16 years a pro and not one single word about doping. Ever. And he's an untouchable.

Learn the lesson riders. Only speak if you can say what everyone wants to hear simultaneously and absolutely don't leave any minor errors.

 

[thekiwi]

I get the feeling there’s more to come.

And where’s the Michael Rogers thread?

Yup been wondering the same.
Levi's testimony names him as present with Levi, LA, Vino, Kashechkin at Dr Ferrari's 'training' camps in Tenerife.

And Rogers all of a sudden has a reversal of form and is now a super hill climbing domestique....?

 

[The Hitch]

Stupid thing to say from Wiggins, I mean he rode against him twice at the tour in the last four years, it's not even that long ago that people might forget!

He didnt just ride against him. He was talking about how great the experience was.

But if Wiggins doesnt realize he rode with Lance in the 09 TDF, he only needs to look at his own book cover

What a ***

 

[ferryman]

He didnt just ride against him. He was talking about how great the experience was.

But if Wiggins doesnt realize he rode with Lance in the 09 TDF, he only needs to look at his own book cover

What a ***

Game, set and match