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hiero2 said:
Ryo - they are being sarcastic. Personally, I don't like sarcasm as a humorous technique - for two reasons. First, because it is basically mean-spirited. Second, because it works very poorly in print.

In the 1st instance above, the key is the sentence I have bolded and highlighted. In the 2nd instance, the key is the dry nature of the statement, in addition to the date it was posted - after it has been widely accepted as proven that Armstrong cheated.

It seems to me from your answers that you did not "get it". And I'm pretty sure you told us at some point that English is not your native tongue. So, I thought I would point this out. Of course, if you DID get the jokes, and chose to respond, just ignore this post.

I knew it was sarcastic. that was just my response to it :) the point was I always believed lance to have been a doper. long before all this. I say current cycling is very clean, yet there is no evidence so far that I'm wrong in this. yet others lose themselves in some imaginary world where appearantly it is proven that sky and many others are doped.
 
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Froome actually admits we all have a right to be sceptical due to the acts of a previous generation. That's a step in the write direction. Beats the about turn made by Wiggins. A guy at the top of world cycling seeing it from a fans perspective for once. Hats off Chris, up in my estimations.
 
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bianchigirl said:
Steve peters has left BC for UK Athletics - will still consult. Rat leaving a sinking ship?

Hhmm, if "transparency" is the new key to the level of suspicion i'd say athletics is probably not the place to be heading; along with tennis, football, and pretty much all "sports" the americans "play. :D ;) :p"
 
Don Quixote said:
He conducted the interviews with DB didn't he?

Was the move out of the blue?

he has been approached by many other sports over last few years, but Athletics was his sport as a younger man, was a decent sprinter in his youth, so thats probably a determining factor in his decision.
 
Bobby G said:
Froome actually admits we all have a right to be sceptical due to the acts of a previous generation. That's a step in the write direction. Beats the about turn made by Wiggins. A guy at the top of world cycling seeing it from a fans perspective for once. Hats off Chris, up in my estimations.
I liked him for that too.
with AS if he wants to play?
Just thinking of spectacle not justice or anything.
 
bianchigirl said:
Steve peters has left BC for UK Athletics - will still consult. Rat leaving a sinking ship?

Could be that he changed his position from 60% UK cycling/sky 40% UK athletics to the reverse.

Or sky 20 nhs 40 athletics 20 BC 20
Or 40 nhs 20 BC 10 sky 30% Brailford

Or perhaps sky have discovered psychic doping, and Peters is going to apply his skills in uk athletics.
 
Sep 29, 2012
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bianchigirl said:
Steve peters has left BC for UK Athletics - will still consult. Rat leaving a sinking ship?

Gremlin or chimp departing the ship.
In his joint role as head of medicine, Peters coordinates all the medical support the team receives out on the road, as well as making sure everything continues to run smoothly at the team's headquarters in Manchester. "We have another doctor at the velodrome, and a nutritionist, and my job is to make sure they're all able to function properly and do their jobs well."

Scapegremlin for Leinders hiring?
 
Froome has at least backtracked somewhat from his original position at the Tour. He was the one that tweeted "fans have to get it into their heads that things like this are achievable now" after Wiggins' foul-mouthed outburst. One of the Podium Café editors tweeted straight back to him that "clean cyclists need to get it into their heads that 25 years of cheating colleagues has robbed them of blind faith fans".

While this is partially true, there are still plenty of blind faith Sky fans out there. However, outside of the goldfish bowl of the Tour, Froome has perhaps had the chance to reflect on how ridiculous his sudden miracle transformation, followed by re-catching the same illness meaning he was barely able to finish a race until May, followed by being a dominant force at the Tour, really looked, and now, far removed from the race situation, he can consider the fans' suspicions as having some level of justification.

Ryo may have a point about the over-scepticism in the Clinic... but at the same time Ryo was convinced (or maybe wasn't, but tried to convince us nonetheless) that Ivaïlo Gabrovski was clean.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Froome has perhaps had the chance to reflect on how ridiculous his sudden miracle transformation, followed by re-catching the same illness meaning he was barely able to finish a race until May, followed by being a dominant force at the Tour
This is the thing that people seem to forget, too quickly. His performance during the year and what he said today do not add up.

Libertine Seguros said:
Ryo may have a point about the over-scepticism in the Clinic... but at the same time Ryo was convinced (or maybe wasn't, but tried to convince us nonetheless) that Ivaïlo Gabrovski was clean.
In hindsight, that was too risky. He should have stuck with Androni and Coledeportes comments. :D
 
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I may have missed the news, or noone else saw / linked it either, but do we surmise from the current press releases that there are only two riders on Team Sky next year - Richie Porte and Chris Froome?

Does anyone else find it strange that Richie's signing was announced on a Sunday - the weekend typically being low activity for most people, and that almost 2 days later, noone else has been announced, but Froome was slipped in at the end of a race? It was 10-15 minutes. How hard to do the entire team in a day? Peters and Brailsford were both at Chronos de Nations then? Anyone have pics of them at the race? There was a press conference or something afterwards, where Chris was revealing he had just been "done" - anyone see them there?

I note it was post-race (Chronos) so Froome actually raced again without signing the Sky policy / guarantee document.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Dear Wiggo said:
Abstinence, by Sky.


I think they will use that in their marginal gains.

From Lent, to August. Abstinence, by Sky. A strategy for marginal gains and refusing the connubial visitation.
 
Lance did not break the rules

Well of course he did but he never was convicted of a positive test and was not caught in possession.

Compare and contrast with the garbage put out about the Olympic Team Sprint. Hindes admits team GB broke the rules. GB management knew they broke the rules. But, exactly like Lance, they were not convicted.

Not caught, so nothing done wrong.

And it was not an insignificant event. Mess up at the start or the changeover in this event and it is "game over". That is the race. It was game over.
 
Do people rememeber when Wiggins came out and "wrote" a blog during the Tour and the majority of people were "Well done Wiggo, he is deffo clean" Well I see the same thing with Froome.

At the moment they are just empty words tbh. After his rise over the last two season I just think its utter bull. Just because Wiggo "writes" a blog in the Gaurdian or whatever doesnt mean he is clean. So he writes a blog and that instantly makes him clean.

I for one havent forgot Froome's early season illness and then suddenly he is kicking backside at the Tour after missing a large chunk of base traininng and racing miles.

I for one havent overseen his mediocre results prior to the last two season. Then just because he says he doesnt fully agree with a stupid sheet he has to sign peope think he is awesome and clean and holier the thou?

How can an interview for such an important subject take 10-15mins.

"Hi Chris"
"Hi"
"Have you ever taken band substances"
"What like coke or LSD?"
"No"
"Oh you mean like *touches side of the nose*"
"yes"
"Errr no"

That 10-15mins includes him asking questions

"Can I be leader now? I did a good season"
"well, we need you to tone it down a little"

This for me is a mixed message:

“I can’t say I 100 per cent agree with it because there are individuals out there who probably have touched something in their careers when they started but for whatever reason they may not have carried on as cycling evolved and ever since may have been doing something good for the sport, possibly. They'll be painted with the same brush so I can't say I agree with it 100 per cent in theory. However, it is where we need to go with the team.”

Is he saying there are people within Sky who have? If so, who? Come on Chris, put pressure on Dave to come out and say.

If its outside Sky youre talking about, well, it doesnt concern you and the signing of this sheet.

“Whenever I, Brad or anyone does well at races, the thing with Leinders kept coming up. We don't need that as riders. We know we're doing it the right way but not everyone can see that or how hard we're training to get the results. It's better for the riders if we don't have association with anything that could happen to anything.”

Why wasnt this brough up to the management earlier? Why did it take so long for Sky to get rid of him then? Why havent Sky answered questions of what he was doing out with you lot in Tenerife when you were training so hard? Why wasnt Kimmage et al allowed to come and see for themselves?

Saying that it's good that the questions are being answered and it is in a way cleaning the slate so that a new generation can go forward and people can start trusting in the sport again. There's no way it's happening anymore.”

Are they being answered though Chris? Are they? I say no. Sky have a LOT of questions to ask on there hiring of dodgy doctors and their activities out in Tenerife and the lock down of the media, it just stinks of days gone by.

“We were so dominant throughout as a Tour group, through so many races. There have been a lot of comparisons between us and Discovery, and us and US Postal and people are drawing similar conclusions now which is understandable.”

Made by your own Team Leader Chris, your own Captain!!!! You say its not fair, have a word with the sideburn king Chris, dont lay it onto us fans or the media. The sideburn Mod King was making that comparrison!

“Even if you have someone at your training camp, anywhere, there will still be questions as to what you're doing when he's not there. I think it was possibly a bit naive not to look into people's past before employing them,” he says regarding Leinders.

Not in this industry Chris lad, we need a transparent passed to ensure this sort of sh!t doesnt happen and ruin the sport.

I can see through this bull sh!t now take the Sky Oakleys off and have a look into it. Typical Murdoch PR bullsh!t
 
Freddythefrog said:
Well of course he did but he never was convicted of a positive test and was not caught in possession.

Compare and contrast with the garbage put out about the Olympic Team Sprint. Hindes admits team GB broke the rules. GB management knew they broke the rules. But, exactly like Lance, they were not convicted.

Not caught, so nothing done wrong.

And it was not an insignificant event. Mess up at the start or the changeover in this event and it is "game over". That is the race. It was game over.

OK so if they had put their hands up, the gold would have gone to France and they had also twisted the rules and backdated a penalty so their doper (sorry, exactly like Longo - not a doper but person who missed a scheduled test) could ride. So taking the comparison of sins (what a sh*t hole to be in) Hindes' deliberate fall was a lesser sin than that of the French Federation in squeezing Bauge the ride. So that makes it ok ?

But then in the debate, Steve Peters Brailsford and Sutton, when they discussed the pros and cons of "mea culpa" that afternoon in the velodrome, what happened to morality? I suggest exactly the same thing that happened to morality when discussing employing Barry, Leinders or Yates. Brailsford knew exactly what he was taking on and payed the odds. And in doing so entered a game of "not being discovered" as opposed to "doing it right". Therefore only "degree" differs between the GB gold in the team sprint in London for Sir Chris and Lance's Tour wins, after all, just like the French, weren't the rest cheats as well ?

The fact that the whole lot is a sack of trash, is the true sign that there can be no place for Pat or Hein. If it stinks at the top it is not going to clean itself on the way down. The decision to ride the comms at London and "they have not got the bottle to kick out two GB teams in 10 minutes and rob the Nation of Sir Chris's dream AND give it to the cheating French", was as morally bankrupt as letting cancer Jesus off in 1999. They were both wrong. And both taken by the men at the top. Arise Sir David Brailsford.


Bit lame this really pal, consider the Aussie track sprinter who broke his toestrap when starting. General consensus at the time was that he should have 'fallen' off. Looking at the random and inconsistent ways that the rules are applied in track racing and you would be hard pressed to admit you would have done anything different.
 
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As a lifelong resident of the universe, I can say with some confidence that that claim is false.
 
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taiwan said:
As a lifelong resident of the universe, I can say with some confidence that that claim is false.

Wiggins changing his name to Zaphod Beeblebrox by deed poll tomorrow. President says I am clean. I am the president. Etc.