Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

And as for 2013: I dont think it will be any repeat of last year. With the Olympics over and triumphed as well as UCI and McQuaid under pressure it will be to much of a risk asking for "a little favour" from McQuaid during this moment in time. It will be a low key year hoping they can stick to their guns 2014 depending on the situation in the cycling world then.

Wiggo has already been preparing the ground for a suitable explanation ("I hadn´t fun") with Skys shift of focus. When Froome struggles in the mountains and loosing six minutes in the time trials (as in Beijing) it could always be excused "lack of experience".

Sky fans were already making excuses this year. Course was flat, suited to Wiggins, competition was weaker/no Contador etc.

I think 2013 will be funny. Wiggins is already the most miserable Tour winner in Grand Tour history.

I still foresee Porte breaking. He can't front up again. I know he can't.

Can you Richie?

 

[badboygolf16v]

We seem to be focusing soley on the attention Sky gets rather than the main point of my original post: that Sky have made it so obvious it would be moronic to be actually doping.

What, like Armstrong? Like Contador? I could continue, but I won't. Your argument holds no credence.

 

[JimmyFingers]

What, like Armstrong? Like Contador? I could continue, but I won't. Your argument holds no credence.

Your argument doesn't seem to be an argument at all.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Sky fans were already making excuses this year. Course was flat, suited to Wiggins, competition was weaker/no Contador etc.

These points are all true, though. Their significance in determining whether doping at Sky is more likely than not is the debatable point.

There were a lot of planets that needed aligning before Wiggo could win the Tour this year, even with the Sky firepower at his disposal.

 

[No_Balls]

So what caused the Wiggins crash? To me the possibilities are,

1. He was busy smoking a spliff of EPO rather than concentrating on the road.
2. All a publicity stunt to boost sales of the book.
3. He was worried about visits by random testers and he thought they were less likely to bother him if he was in hospital.
4. He lacks a basic knowledge of geography (seen by the fact that he has lied repeatedly about where he lived as a child) and thought he was on a cycle path so didn't look out for traffic.
5. Some **** wasn't looking where he going when he exited the petrol station.

6. All of them+ it adds to the fact that when season is on the way things like this will be a perfect card to pull as an excuse for him underperforming early on in the season. Still a long way to go, sure, but i&#180]Sky fans were already making excuses this year. Course was flat, suited to Wiggins, competition was weaker/no Contador etc.[/QUOTE]

I noticed them but over a season this has faded away. Reading the british newspaper and they have all gone into selfdefense: "Universially acknowledged clean", "First clean rider". Also it didnt explain how Froome suddenly could hold his own against Tony Martin in a time-trial, a discipline he up until that point had no merit whatsoever bar a second place in the British NT. It was too many strange and unexplainable, individually as collectively, progresses happening fast over a too long space of a time.

Have we seen this transformation before? Sure we have. Lance Armstrong when he returned from the hospital and suddenly was a GT-rider.

I think 2013 will be funny.

I agree. A season of excuses me think. They can of course try to create a cinderella-story of them clean riders carrying the flag against the "foreign dopers" but the cycling world, i think/hope, can see through crap like this. The difference with the situation we had in 98, now, is that back then we had not a USADA-report as cover. And, of course, no social media either.

 

[JimmyFingers]

6. All of them+ it adds to the fact that when season is on the way things like this will be a perfect card to pull as an excuse for him underperforming early on in the season. Still a long way to go, sure, but i´m getting a sense things like these is not the only headline we will see concerning Sky-riders.

This is a perfect illustration of how this place twists events. He's only just out of hospital and you're insinuating this will be used as an excuse or even done on purpose to dusguise a hypothetical underperforming season that is months away from even beginning.

Hoggo, you reacted with outrage when I made a joke about the cause of the crash being doper's fatigue and reported me to the mods. I take it you will taking a similar line here?

 

[No_Balls]

This is a perfect illustration of how this place twists events. He's only just out of hospital and you're insinuating this will be used as an excuse or even done on purpose to dusguise a hypothetical underperforming season that is months away from even beginning.

I was just typing a hypothetical scenario in order to make my point clear (that Sky will have a mediocre season, still think so). Not meant as a fact concerning this one example. Should Wiggo underperform early on they have "lack of preparation" as comfortable excuse (with this and perhaps other events leading up to it).

That is assuming this theory is right, of course.

 

[thehog]

6. All of them+ it adds to the fact that when season is on the way things like this will be a perfect card to pull as an excuse for him underperforming early on in the season. Still a long way to go, sure, but i´m getting a sense things like these is not the only headline we will see concerning Sky-riders.

I noticed them but over a season this has faded away. Reading the british newspaper and they have all gone into selfdefense: "Universially acknowledged clean", "First clean rider". Also it didnt explain how Froome suddenly could hold his own against Tony Martin in a time-trial, a discipline he up until that point had no merit whatsoever bar a second place in the British NT. It was too many strange and unexplainable, individually as collectively, progresses happening fast over a too long space of a time.

Have we seen this transformation before? Sure we have. Lance Armstrong when he returned from the hospital and suddenly was a GT-rider.

I agree. A season of excuses me think. They can of course try to create a cinderella-story of them clean riders carrying the flag against the "foreign dopers" but the cycling world, i think/hope, can see through crap like this. The difference with the situation we had in 98, now, is that back then we had not a USADA-report as cover. And, of course, no social media either.

When Nibili beats Wiggins in the Giro we'll know that Italians have a "history" with doping. When Contador blasts Froome we'll be told the same about those Spanish. I still want to see Froomey go full *** and smash Contador. Pro cycling will be at the bottom of a pit at that point.

Like I said before. The Wiggins story to the uneducated sounds reasonable. But Froome it's just nuts. If Froome rode for another team and was still Kenyan this forum including Sky/Wiggo fans would be laughing their collective asses off.

 

[taiwan]

Sutton crashed as well now. WTF is going on?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I was just typing a hypothetical scenario in order to make my point clear (that Sky will have a mediocre season, still think so). Not meant as a fact concerning this one example. Should Wiggo underperform early on they have "lack of preparation" as comfortable excuse (with this and perhaps other events leading up to it).

That is assuming this theory is right, of course.

I think the key word here is hypothetical. Last night I made a parody of clinic reaction to Bradley's crash and a day later it is being included in the general conspiracy theorising, despite my parody being deleted. I guess it means I got the parody spot on.

Sutton has now been seriously injured in a crash as well, is there a way the clinic can spin this to implicate Sky somehow?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

This is a perfect illustration of how this place twists events. He's only just out of hospital and you're insinuating this will be used as an excuse or even done on purpose to dusguise a hypothetical underperforming season that is months away from even beginning.

Hoggo, you reacted with outrage when I made a joke about the cause of the crash being doper's fatigue and reported me to the mods. I take it you will taking a similar line here?

Jimbo, what with some of your compatriot and their dislike for cyclist? The response to wiggins accident has been terrible.

 

[badboygolf16v]

Your argument doesn't seem to be an argument at all.

Pretty obvious what I was saying.

 

[RownhamHill]

Sutton has now been seriously injured in a crash as well, is there a way the clinic can spin this to implicate Sky somehow?

It's just Sutton's way of wriggling out of signing the piece of paper about doping. It's just PR so he can retire with possible brain damage but an unsullied reputation. Except the Clinic is too quick for him.

Ha!

 

[thehog]

It's just Sutton's way of wriggling out of signing the piece of paper about doping. It's just PR so he can retire with possible brain damage but an unsullied reputation. Except the Clinic is too quick for him.

Ha!

More so I think its the way some want the Clinic to react so it takes heat of the Chris Froome experience.

No one here is suggesting that a cyclist crashing on public roads whilst training is related to doping. In fact every keen cyclist knows that a car hitting a cyclist is the equivalent of "cop killer" in the force. We are all one in that respect.

It not something to even think to joke about.

So back to Chris Froome.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggin's doing his best to rise above his celebrity status that he so dislikes!

This will guarantee the paparazzi keep after him to get a reaction in order to sell photos.

Wiggins really is an idiot

https://twitter.com/boomerado/status/266556526737629184/photo/1

 

[ebandit]

analysis

"Steady"?

Not so intrested looking into graphics now are we?

but no analysis of the chart..........which showed feck all

don't worry ms hog never did either............preferring to post pics of wayne

rooney............etc etc

amazing! cycle season is long finished............sky thread is just as busy

but even less facts

 

[thehog]

A picture tells a 1000 words.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

More so I think its the way some want the Clinic to react so it takes heat of the Chris Froome experience.

No one here is suggesting that a cyclist crashing on public roads whilst training is related to doping. In fact every keen cyclist knows that a car hitting a cyclist is the equivalent of "cop killer" in the force. We are all one in that respect.

It not something to even think to joke about.

So back to Chris Froome.

Indeed. I don't recall anyone making any comments about either Wiggins or Sutton's crashes. In fact the only ones making any comments and trying to exploit the situation have been the Skyfanboys who've been accusing Sky critics of trying to link the accidents to doping as a way to try to silence the critics. (A page straight out of Armstrong tactics 101)

 

[ebandit]

feck all

A picture tells a 1000 words.

latest news...........i hear brad has now left hospital....giving photographers

the middle finger

ms hog sorry! there is no pic for ya

 

[autologous]

Wiggin's doing his best to rise above his celebrity status that he so dislikes!

This will guarantee the paparazzi keep after him to get a reaction in order to sell photos.

Wiggins really is an idiot

https://twitter.com/boomerado/status/266556526737629184/photo/1

My god, look at the size of that finger!

HGH for sure.

 

[blackcat]

G Thomas and P Kennaugh will be getting antsy in their boots like Floyd knew was his place at postal. Gonna get ****ed at Wiggo and Froomie for taking all the chocolates

 

[blackcat]

Depends on the 'narrative' the UCI and the sponsors want to create. They will choose the option that will make them the most money.

If they think that there is money 'clean Brits socking it to dirty johnny foreigner' - then it'll be more of the same.

We don't know if we are merely hitting the reset button back to 1999. Looking at the degree of support that McQuaid has within the upper reaches of the sport and the clear attempt to sweep the UCI corruption issue under the carpet

Everyone has got the memo with the talking points. You can play rider bingo.

'In the past'

'Biopassport'

'New generation'

'Most tested athletes'

'Zero-tolerance'

'cleanest ever'

I wouldn't make it a drinking game because it is the short cut to alcoholism

Hog - I thought you might like this other early indication of Froome's elite level skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DCe4QVO0PE

Back when he was Chris Froome of Kenya.

I wonder what other thread links the three...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyqyVKSJiOM

Team Easy On
crack opium ecstasy


ask for Sneaky Fox

...........if you are interested

 

[blackcat]

Repoxygen is manufactured by a British company.

Genetic therapies can lead to organ failure.

and yellow jerseys

 

[thehog]

Indeed. I don't recall anyone making any comments about either Wiggins or Sutton's crashes. In fact the only ones making any comments and trying to exploit the situation have been the Skyfanboys who've been accusing Sky critics of trying to link the accidents to doping as a way to try to silence the critics. (A page straight out of Armstrong tactics 101)

Correct. The continued references to the crash(s) and the original joke suggesting we don't understand the irony demonstrates the point.

Like the crazy man pointing to everyone else - "look they're all crazy!" - "Look at the things they're saying!"

I find it sad. I really do. And yes Armstrong would be proud.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Indeed. I don't recall anyone making any comments about either Wiggins or Sutton's crashes. In fact the only ones making any comments and trying to exploit the situation have been the Skyfanboys who've been accusing Sky critics of trying to link the accidents to doping as a way to try to silence the critics. (A page straight out of Armstrong tactics 101)

Below is precisely the sort of conspiracy theory I sought to parody:

6. All of them+ it adds to the fact that when season is on the way things like this will be a perfect card to pull as an excuse for him underperforming early on in the season. Still a long way to go, sure, but i´m getting a sense things like these is not the only headline we will see concerning Sky-riders.

The usual selective morality from you lot. Sneer and mock and troll and then get sanctimonious when you think it can score you a few points