Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Mrs John Murphy]

No, sanctimonious and selective morality is your thing.

Are you admitting to being a parody? A parody of a koolaid drinking Skyfanboy? I've got to say you do it very well.

No Balls says the accident will be used as an excuse if Wiggins under performs - which drum roll - might actually be true. i) The accident might be a cause if Wiggins under performs, and ii) it might be used as an excuse. I don't see any linking of the accident to doping - which is what you were saying was being said.

So either you've not understood what is being said, and see everything said about Sky through a fog of paranoia where any and all comments lead back to accusations of doping, or you are a liar and are choosing to deliberately distort what is being said.

BTW - I thought you were ignoring me - or are the threats of being ignored by you as worthless as your 'goodbye' posts?

 

[thehog]

Below is precisely the sort of conspiracy theory I sought to parody:



The usual selective morality from you lot. Sneer and mock and troll and then get sanctimonious when you think it can score you a few points

Sure Jimmy. Just a parody making fun of a guy being hit bar a car.

Such a great parody. You had everyone just rolling in the aisle with your slapstick parody.

As I said. No cyclist or fan of cycling makes fun of the arch enemy - the car.

You stooped low and you're still going.

You're no friend of cycling.

I feel for Brad being hit by the car. I hope he makes it back and on the bike as fast as possible.

Lets get back to discussing Froome, Sky and doping.

Not the misfortunes of others.

Give it a rest. Seriosuly. It doesn't look good.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Sure Jimmy. Just a parody making fun of a guy being hit bar a car.

Such a great parody. You had everyone just rolling in the aisle with your slapstick parody.

As I said. No cyclist or fan of cycling makes fun of the arch enemy - the car.

You stooped low and you're still going.

You're no friend of cycling.

I feel for Brad being hit by the car. I hope he makes it back and on the bike as fast as possible.

Lets get back to discussing Froome, Sky and doping.

Not the misfortunes of others.

Give it a rest. Seriosuly. It doesn't look good.

+infinity. No one would wish a car accident anyone or seek to exploit it for gain on a discussion forum.

As you say - back to Froome and his career trajectory.

 

[thehog]

+infinity. No one would wish a car accident anyone or seek to exploit it for gain on a discussion forum.

As you say - back to Froome and his career trajectory.

My final comment is at the time of the "parody" no one had any idea how serious the accident was. Yet Jimmy thought he had a window to make fun of the situation to score some points. What if it turned out that Wiggins had broken both legs as was off the bike for 6 months or worse? Such a stupid thing to say and to then suggest it was the sort of thing a Sky critic would say. Sad. Low. Disgraceful. And still going with it when even having the original post moderated.

But like you say - Froome and his amazing technical colour dreamcoat.

Lets get back on track.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Ok so just so I've got what you two clowns are saying: its ok for No Balls to say Sky will use it as an excuse for Wiggins underperforming next season, and insinuate there will be similar headlines involving other Sky riders, which infers this was actually an orchestrated act, but for me to parody precisely that kind of conspiracy theory causes moral outrage?

So much that Hoggo went crying to the mods?

Selective morality, double-standards and flat out hypocrisy. seriously, it doesn't look good.

No_Balls post perfectly illustrates the point I was making, despite your attempts at obfuscation. Jumping on the moral high ground and accusing me of trying to profit from the crash is a bit obvious, but then you are.

 

[thehog]

Ok so just so I've got what you two clowns are saying: its ok for No Balls to say Sky will use it as an excuse for Wiggins underperforming next season, and insinuate there will be similar headlines involving other Sky riders, which infers this was actually an orchestrated act, but for me to parody precisely that kind of conspiracy theory causes moral outrage?

So much that Hoggo went crying to the mods?

Selective morality, double-standards and flat out hypocrisy. seriously, it doesn't look good.

No_Balls post perfectly illustrates the point I was making, despite your attempts at obfuscation. Jumping on the moral high ground and accusing me of trying to profit from the crash is a bit obvious, but then you are.

Jimmy you brought the crash up. Just after the crash was reported. No one had any idea how serious it was including yourself.

No_balls comment came hours/1 day later. You went for it shortly after the crash when no one had any idea what the outcome of the crash would be - serious or not serious.

In bar fight speak - you threw the first punch and are now blaming the fight on everyone else.

Enough. Seriously.

 

[andy1234]

Tag team reverse moral outrage from Hog and Mrs J.M.
I have seen it all now.

 

[armchairclimber]

Jimmy you brought the crash up. Just after the crash was reported. No one had any idea how serious it was including yourself.

No_balls comment came hours/1 day later. You went for it shortly after the crash when no one had any idea what the outcome of the crash would be - serious or not serious.

In bar fight speak - you threw the first punch and are now blaming the fight on everyone else.

Enough. Seriously.

I think I threw the first punch. Don't feign sympathy or empathy. You've repeatedly accused Wiggins of working with Ferrari without a shred of evidence. You were seeking to damage him. At least the car driver that hit him wasn't bearing malice.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Jimmy you brought the crash up. Just after the crash was reported. No one had any idea how serious it was including yourself.

No_balls comment came hours/1 day later. You went for it shortly after the crash when no one had any idea what the outcome of the crash would be - serious or not serious.

In bar fight speak - you threw the first punch and are now blaming the fight on everyone else.

Enough. Seriously.

Not only brought it up but characterised it as "more good news".

 

[JimmyFingers]

Jimmy you brought the crash up. Just after the crash was reported. No one had any idea how serious it was including yourself.

No_balls comment came hours/1 day later. You went for it shortly after the crash when no one had any idea what the outcome of the crash would be - serious or not serious.

In bar fight speak - you threw the first punch and are now blaming the fight on everyone else.

Enough. Seriously.

Actually I pre-empted no_balls post, and his post indicates I had a good handle on how the clinic might use it.

And reports were clear on the nature of the injuries, but nice try re-writing events.

You keep saying enough seriously, then keep going on about it. I shall call you Reverend Hoggo from now, the moral high ground seems to be your new stomping ground. Just don't get too dizzy up there

 

[JimmyFingers]

Not only brought it up but characterised it as "more good news".

Come one, come all

 

[JimmyFingers]

You guys don't read the Daily Mail on a regular basis, do you?

 

[Galic Ho]

Citing your own ignorance as evidence that a rider is doping. Very good.
Then, it's all you've got.

Oh upset poor Bradley got hurt? Really that is how you're going to play it. Look at Libertine's post. You're trolling through and through. Not one response that is valid. You twisted actual historical trends on this forum and races to support a fallacy. The fallacy being that Chris Froome was well known among even actual racing fans, he wasn't pre 2011 Vuelta. So if Libertine of all people stated as much, on this forum it is a GIVEN.

Oh but the armchairclimber thinks otherwise. Well when you and Jimmy are on your knees both seeing to the beck and call of your idols, your opinion is worthless. Comparing Froome to any other cyclist who is GC material is premature and messy!!! Bahahaha. Quit smoking the you know what, wake the hell up, harden up (wait, scratch that as it's redundant), because you've been outed. So Jimmy takes Brad and you take Froome...you two do realise they are rivals? At least maltiv was joking, you're not. You are dead set serious he is the real deal? Fo shizzle your nizzle? I mean seriously? Try and sell Wiggins or anyone else, but Froome!!! As I said, 'bahahaha.' You do realise that Giro was full of obscene doping right? Right? Nah, but Froome not keeping up with Gerrans of all people and now being the most dangerous guy on GC that even Contador is said to be concerned is just a normal occurrence! My bad, it is in the 90s+ epo and blood doping world. Totally normal.

You lost little girl. You lost. You made up a shockingly horrendous analogy to support your idol. You do realise what Preying Mantis do when they get 'close', don't you? Might mess up with the grand fanboy plan...so be warned. Worshiping at the alter of Chris 'Preying Mantis' Froome is not going to be pleasant. It will be messy. You'll lose your head. And then you'll be the headless armchairclimber...but given that you can't see what goes on in races, I'm not sure that can be construed as a negative.

BTW Jimmy? How was the hospital visit? I take it Wiggins wife got a little antsy when you rocked up? Did you get a memento from the crash? Hey how about you go and buy that car that Wiggins ran into...might be worth a penny seeing as how clean and glorious the great Bradley is. Darn, there I go again, assuming you aren't the biggest Wiggins fanboy in existence. My apologies to everyone. Someone else should buy the car and then auction it off in front of Jimmy...watch those fingers get to work when you do this.

BTW, one of the paid interns should remind team Sky to NOT go riding at night in England at this time of year. 6pm it is dark. Not everyone is doped up enough that they get instant night vision...sheesh Sky, get with the program.

 

[thehog]

Actually I pre-empted no_balls post, and his post indicates I had a good handle on how the clinic might use it.

And reports were clear on the nature of the injuries, but nice try re-writing events.

You keep saying enough seriously, then keep going on about it. I shall call you Reverend Hoggo from now, the moral high ground seems to be your new stomping ground. Just don't get too dizzy up there

How the clinic might handle it? What one post? From no_balls? That's the clinic?

From the dizzying height where I stand the vast majority of the clinic (sky fans or not) believe your parody in bad taste.

I reported your post yesterday and said it wasn't funny and left the forum.

You my friend haven't stopped since and to even made fun of my attempt to show some decorum. You were baiting me after I reported your post.

I've reported your posts again. There's something up with you. Not sure what but it doesn't feel right.

 

[Galic Ho]

How could you not get that it was a joke? My point was that it's silly to take one bad performance and say "look, this guy sucked so bad and now he's the best!". (even if it's true in Froome's case, who sucked everywhere). The Contador example was just to use the must ridiculous example I could find. I thought the part where I said I couldn't believe Contador had become a Contador-esque climber would make it pretty clear that I was being sarcastic

The fact that Froome sucked pre 2011 is pretty obvious, but showing a video of one stage where he couldn't follow Gerrans up a steep hill just isn't the best example, in my opinion. Whatever, I was just nit-picking anyway.

Fair enough. Perhaps use emoticons at least once? It'll make it clearer. The last few pages before I posted well there was one distinct tone. Your post seemed to be following suite and well, tone isn't always the easiest to convey.

I've seen a lot of race footage, as have others on this forum. Believe me, I hadn't seen him pre 2011 Vuelta. I had to look up footage to see what he looked like as I had zero idea of what he resembles. You could have stuck 8 random guys on a bike and added in Froome and asked me and many other fans which one was Froome and they would not have known. He was literally an enigma. An unknown. If thehog had other footage, I have no doubt he'd have shown it. As for that video, I watched the stage and I certainly don't remember Froome being there. I go back and watch most stuff I've seen before, I may have forgotten one or two actors in the display, but it clicks and I go, yeah that rider was there and then he does such and such. It clicks because it was memorable. Froome was literally the forgettable bike rider. Absolutely forgettable.

Irony is now, one doesn't forget him because he is so ridiculous. Froome obscure to so obscene you cannot forget. That is messed up. And yeah, comparing him to Contador is a good example to contrast the extremes...just add an emoticon next time.

 

[thehog]

Fair enough. Perhaps use emoticons at least once? It'll make it clearer. The last few pages before I posted well there was one distinct tone. Your post seemed to be following suite and well, tone isn't always the easiest to convey.

I've seen a lot of race footage, as have others on this forum. Believe me, I hadn't seen him pre 2011 Vuelta. I had to look up footage to see what he looked like as I had zero idea of what he resembles. You could have stuck 8 random guys on a bike and added in Froome and asked me and many other fans which one was Froome and they would not have known. He was literally an enigma. An unknown. If thehog had other footage, I have no doubt he'd have shown it. As for that video, I watched the stage and I certainly don't remember Froome being there. I go back and watch most stuff I've seen before, I may have forgotten one or two actors in the display, but it clicks and I go, yeah that rider was there and then he does such and such. It clicks because it was memorable. Froome was literally the forgettable bike rider. Absolutely forgettable.

Irony is now, one doesn't forget him because he is so ridiculous. Froome obscure to so obscene you cannot forget. That is messed up. And yeah, comparing him to Contador is a good example to contrast the extremes...just add an emoticon next time.

There literally no other footage of Froome. Zero to hero.

Even Armstrong if you didn't know him in 1999 you'd find footage of him pre-Tour. A lot of it. Contador the same. Even Wiggins. Go back a far as LeMond. Plenty of footage of him pre-86. But Froome there's nothing. Just him crashing into an official off the start ramp and his zig zagging up San Luca in the 09 Giro.

 

[JimmyFingers]

How the clinic might handle it? What one post? From no_balls? That's the clinic?

From the dizzying height where I stand the vast majority of the clinic (sky fans or not) believe your parody in bad taste.

I reported your post yesterday and said it wasn't funny and left the forum.

You my friend haven't stopped since and to even made fun of my attempt to show some decorum. You were baiting me after I reported your post.

I've reported your posts again. There's something up with you. Not sure what but it doesn't feel right.

It was dark humour yes, next time I'll keep it simple, post some Calvin and Hobbes funnies for you

The point being you had spent several pages seizing on the fact Wiggins'postcode was Maida Vale not Kilburn an attempting to portray him as some silver-spoon child pretending to be from a poor area as a part of his 'working class lad dun good' narrative, essentially trying to re-write his life story to smear his character.

To suit your portrayal of him as a cynical doper in the Armstrong mould, constantly lying and cheating and generally being an all-round bad egg. In the same way you used the picture of him on holiday having a cigarette as him smoking dope, and that someone who dopes like that on holiday won't hesitate to dope on a bike.

It was an extreme example, but what I did was an illustration of people taking irrelevant stories about Wiggins, posting them here, then denigrating his character to suit their low opinions of him. Then debating them, despite their being nothing to do with PEDs whatsoever. No_Balls' post showed that it was accurate, but did you report that? Did you take him to task for what he said? Selective morality.

I too reported posts to the mods, because I felt the thread had gone completely off-topic and was just a malicious vehicle to demonise Wiggins and Sky.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

There literally no other footage of Froome. Zero to hero.

Even Armstrong if you didn't know him in 1999 you'd find footage of him pre-Tour. A lot of it. Contador the same. Even Wiggins. Go back a far as LeMond. Plenty of footage of him pre-86. But Froome there's nothing. Just him crashing into an official off the start ramp and his zig zagging up San Luca in the 09 Giro.

As I recall when Froome voomed onto the scene last year the response of most people was

'Wasn't he the guy who fell down the side of that mountain?'.

No, that was John-Lee Augustyn.

Just out of interest what would we say was Froome best pre-2011 Vuelta result?

5th in the Commonwealth games ITT - where he came in 2 and a half minutes down on Rev Millar?

Or perhaps his win in the 'Atomic jock race'? or his domination in the Tour of Mauritius?

 

[No_Balls]

Sutton chrased as well.

They seem somewhat shattered and in disarray. I&#180]When Nibili beats Wiggins in the Giro we'll know that Italians have a "history" with doping. When Contador blasts Froome we'll be told the same about those Spanish. I still want to see Froomey go full *** and smash Contador. Pro cycling will be at the bottom of a pit at that point.[/QUOTE]

This will be a reference point for cycling how it has developed post-Lance. Are we back in 1999 or is the light in the tunnel not from an incoming train? Ironically these remarks will occur when their "clean" hero are into hiding and cant automatically be handled out favours when the spotlights is on. But Froome smashing Contador would either way be a victory for "clean" cycling because the latter has a history with doping, while the first has not. Media is all for the "never tested positive" idea.

And while the uncomfortable questions is never asked they can go away it. Uncomfortable questions for the media to ask:

1) Who is Froome? Where does he come from?
2) Why has he so suddenly become so good?
3) Does it sounds reasonable the only transformation of such magnitude prior him was Mr Armstrong?

I think the key word here is hypothetical. Last night I made a parody of clinic reaction to Bradley's crash and a day later it is being included in the general conspiracy theorising, despite my parody being deleted. I guess it means I got the parody spot on.

Of course its just hypothetical. It is impossible to say in this moment how the pre-season will develop although i wouldnt be surprised if many "strange" things will happen from now. I just cant see a season long peak happen again. Not now.

No need to drag the rest of the clinic into my theories. Neither was i of the idea that Wiggins deliberately chrashed nor was i aware that he had been released from the hospital the moment i wrote about it. But as i (and thehog) said, it cant be anything like the Olympic year 2012 again.

And spare me the talk of "conspiracy theories". I heard them back in 1999 and has no patience for another rumble.

 

[JimmyFingers]

BTW, one of the paid interns should remind team Sky to NOT go riding at night in England at this time of year. 6pm it is dark. Not everyone is doped up enough that they get instant night vision...sheesh Sky, get with the program.

I start my commute just after that and it is pitch black, and I have had 4 near misses in as many weeks. I'm lighting myself up like a Xmas tree from now

I think I have said this before about Froome, I am suspicious of him. I am also suspicious of Rogers with his connections to Ferrari. IF there is doping going on, I am confident it isn't being orchestrated by the Sky team.

As for Wiggins he's ok, but he's no Cavendish. You can expect me on any OPQS thread next season...

 

[Galic Ho]

We seem to be focusing soley on the attention Sky gets rather than the main point of my original post: that Sky have made it so obvious it would be moronic to be actually doping. I still feel you are turning a blind eye to, or even justifying the abuse that goes on here. Recently I have been told by two different posters that I masterbate over Sky riders, I have also been invited to Australia to be punched in the face. It's hard to suck it in, breath deeply and let things like that go, because there seems little or no moderation of this forum.

In fact moderation only occured after Hoggo reported an admittedly very dark (but brilliant) joke I made about Wiggins crashing yesterday, and attributing it to doper's fatigue, in a parody of the way certain posters seize on any snippet on information and twist it to try to make it reflect as badly as it can on the character involved. In Wiggins' case it has grown to epedemic proportions and only serves to undermine the thread and more reasoned, cognitive debate.

Oh go and cry some more to Palmerq. He's probably laughing at you like the rest of the non Sky brigade are doing. You're quite the riot. Quite the riot.

Oh and palmerq, or whomever. I'd like to report him. Making and spreading lies about people. You've been told twice now by me that nobody invited you to Australia to punch you in the head. You mistakenly extrapolated that. Nobody in this country wants you contaminating our air.

BTW if you didn't want people to assume you do particular things, then you would not have given yourself the label "Jimmy Fingers" nor would you carry on with such rampant and at times rabid devotion to Bradley Wiggins. What did you expect? As I've said before, you're far too thin skinned to be on this forum, so you should not post. But as we all know, that would completely destroy the modus operandi. Oh and thanks for the last 30+ pages in a day and a half of your off topic deflections, a thing that has gotten people banned on this forum.

Think I'm wrong...I doubt I'm the only one here who is thinking a poll to see whether you should be carted off like Polish is not on the cards...as has been said many times, harden up and quit being such a *****. If what you state is correct, expect to see a poll anytime now. The forum guidelines state unequivocally what the CLINIC is for. To talk about doping. It does not state PROOF is needed, if it did, this would be a WADA run and regulated forum and your name would not be 'Jimmy Fingers' it would have your real name and we would all be able to see if you are on Sky's payroll.

And Dear Wiggo, quit engaging this guy and armchair, you're generating more spam than debate.

None are remotely relevant to this debate, something which I have said time and time again, yet this trivia is continually discussed ad infinitum in an effort to demonise certain characters.

If you want to go after Sky and find the truth then do it, and I'll applaud you. What I loathe is the moronic characters who use the clinic to get attention, say things to deliberately confront and antagonise and make accusation and insinuation about Sky staff and riders.

So you loathe yourself? I guess I would too if I supported Sky. Life must be hard right now hey dude? Want a tissue? And BTW, the deflection and vast number of posts comprising the discussion about postcodes were from the fanboys. Go and count them. Go on. You and armchairclimber and ebandit. All upset that one poster said something and then another. Then it became a class turf war. And you think Australian's would lower themselves to smack you in the face? Oh, deary me...wake up, there are plenty of people in the UK who will do it for free and you can save yourself a plane ticket.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Oh go and cry some more to Palmerq. He's probably laughing at you like the rest of the non Sky brigade are doing. You're quite the riot. Quite the riot.

Oh and palmerq, or whomever. I'd like to report him. Making and spreading lies about people. You've been told twice now by me that nobody invited you to Australia to punch you in the head. You mistakenly extrapolated that. Nobody in this country wants you contaminating our air.

BTW if you didn't want people to assume you do particular things, then you would not have given yourself the label "Jimmy Fingers" nor would you carry on with such rampant and at times rabid devotion to Bradley Wiggins. What did you expect? As I've said before, you're far too thin skinned to be on this forum, so you should not post. But as we all know, that would completely destroy the modus operandi. Oh and thanks for the last 30+ pages in a day and a half of your off topic deflections, a thing that has gotten people banned on this forum.

Think I'm wrong...I doubt I'm the only one here who is thinking a poll to see whether you should be carted off like Polish is not on the cards...as has been said many times, harden up and quit being such a *****. If what you state is correct, expect to see a poll anytime now. The forum guidelines state unequivocally what the CLINIC is for. To talk about doping. It does not state PROOF is needed, if it did, this would be a WADA run and regulated forum and your name would not be 'Jimmy Fingers' it would have your real name and we would all be able to see if you are on Sky's payroll.

And Dear Wiggo, quit engaging this guy and armchair, you're generating more spam than debate.



So you loathe yourself? I guess I would too if I supported Sky. Life must be hard right now hey dude? Want a tissue? And BTW, the deflection and vast number of posts comprising the discussion about postcodes were from the fanboys. Go and count them. Go on. You and armchairclimber and ebandit. All upset that one poster said something and then another. Then it became a class turf war. And you think Australian's would lower themselves to smack you in the face? Oh, deary me...wake up, there are plenty of people in the UK who will do it for free and you can save yourself a plane ticket.

Sorry feel asleep half-way through. Please summarise

 

[ebandit]

!

Sorry feel asleep half-way through. Please summarise

bollox and nothing more

whats happened to this thread? why not discuss the issue in hand instead of calling each other

 

[Galic Ho]

I start my commute just after that and it is pitch black, and I have had 4 near misses in as many weeks. I'm lighting myself up like a Xmas tree from now

I think I have said this before about Froome, I am suspicious of him. I am also suspicious of Rogers with his connections to Ferrari. IF there is doping going on, I am confident it isn't being orchestrated by the Sky team.

As for Wiggins he's ok, but he's no Cavendish. You can expect me on any OPQS thread next season...

You missed the obvious stated by Libertine. Nobody goes into depth about OPQS because everyone knows they dope. Everyone. It's common knowledge.

You should simply drop the Wiggins defense. It's not going to stop. It is getting worse and will get worse as long as he is the patron of the peloton and rides like he did in 2012. Think I'm wrong...David Millar said he is the new patron of the peloton. At least when Froome has spoken recently, to casual observers, he had the best statement of any GC rider regarding USADA and Armstrong. I can make an argument for Froome having an IQ over 110. Wiggins? He's copying Saint Miller, dumb idea. He shouldn't be getting his PR advice from David's sister as that family are nothing but opportunists.

Taking a leaf out of Ali G's book is the smart thing...'keep it real.' But Brad doesn't.

As for almost getting hit. If you ride in a country like Britain at this time of year after 5pm, well you're asking for trouble. Wiggins can train morning and midday and rest in the evening. He has no excuse. Or he can go to Spain. It's dark in Australia in Winter as well at 5-6pm. No visibility. You're asking for trouble. And Australian drivers hate bike riders. Hate them. We don't have the luxury of respect in that regard between cyclists and motorists. They hate one another for the most part. Generalisation yes, but they hate one another.

So when I read he was hit late in the day when I can only imagine the sky is black and dark, well I think that person is an idiot. I don't care whether his name is Bradley Wiggins. You're an idiot whom ever you are. He can train earlier or he can use his vast newly acquired financial wealth to move somewhere where it rains less and the sun shines at 6pm. You know, like Australia or New Zealand. Or Spain. Somewhere closer to the equator or where the summer and not winter solstice is approaching.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Think I'm wrong...I doubt I'm the only one here who is thinking a poll to see whether you should be carted off like Polish is not on the cards

Ok so I persevered and read some more. Can I just ask for clarification what this means? To me it sounds like a reference to the holocaust, but I may be mis-construing the 'roid-rage venacular