Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

It's like a ghost town in here now.

I call it the Sky vortex.

Everything is going so well then you mention Yates or Froome and the Sky fanboys go 'nannas and disappear.

It's sooooo funny. I mean how do you rationalise those two!

 

[Grandillusion]

No, neither of you "got it"

Well don't be cryptic then. Explain what you meant by a**hole. Just interested.

 

[andy1234]

Well don't be cryptic then. Explain what you meant by a**hole. Just interested.

Spend some time with Kimmage and you would know what I mean.
He may be fighting the good fight, but you wouldn't want him in your life for too long.

 

[Froome19]

It's like a ghost town in here now.

I call it the Sky vortex.

Everything is going so well then you mention Yates or Froome and the Sky fanboys go 'nannas and disappear.

It's sooooo funny. I mean how do you rationalise those two!

Froome has been rationalised as much as is required imo.

Yates.. well he was a former doper. What rationalisation do you want?

 

[Grandillusion]

Spend some time with Kimmage and you would know what I mean.
He may be fighting the good fight, but you wouldn't want him in your life for too long.

That's as may be, but making a public declaration of support & solidarity is hardly "getting in their life for too long". They don't have to meet him at all.
And surely the cause is infinitely more important than some trivial personality clash?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Spend some time with Kimmage and you would know what I mean.
He may be fighting the good fight, but you wouldn't want him in your life for too long.

How long did you spend with him?

Also, why would someone's personality be a reason when there role is their to observe (as well as the fact that Kimmage was already with Sky pre Tour)

 

[thehog]

Froome has been rationalised as much as is required imo.

Yates.. well he was a former doper. What rationalisation do you want?

Froome is still an enigma from planet alien. There is no explaining that guy. I'd love to see him and Ricco in a match-race. Race to the death up a mountain. As much gear as either one would like. I think Froome would take him.

Agreed. Yates is a filthy double wristband wearing Tenerife inhabiting doper.

I'm glad he has gone from Sky. As Pat McQuaid said - Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. Nor has Yates.

 

[andy1234]

That's as may be, but making a public declaration of support & solidarity is hardly "getting in their life for too long". They don't have to meet him at all.
And surely the cause is infinitely more important than some trivial personality clash?

Kimmage wouldn't be happy unless he was in the riders lives.

Like most ambitious characters , the riders want to do the best job they can, not spend their energies appeasing everyone who doubts them.

Adding a charmless journalist into the mix just isn't a priority.

 

[andy1234]

How long did you spend with him?

Also, why would someone's personality be a reason when there role is their to observe (as well as the fact that Kimmage was already with Sky pre Tour)

A few weeks a year, for a couple of years.

Observing gives the impression of a passive role. Kimmage doesn't seem too good at passive.

 

[Grandillusion]

Kimmage wouldn't be happy unless he was in the riders lives.

Like most ambitious characters , the riders want to do the best job they can, not spend their energies appeasing everyone who doubts them.

Adding a charmless journalist into the mix just isn't a priority.

Sorry to press the point, but I'm talking about a public statement of support and solidarity from Team Sky. Not anything to do with meeting or "being embedded". Just a strong public statement. It wouldn't be seen as appeasement, but an admirably mature and strong stance.

 

[andy1234]

Sorry to press the point, but I'm talking about a public statement of support and solidarity from Team Sky. Not anything to do with meeting or "being embedded". Just a strong public statement. It wouldn't be seen as appeasement, but an admirably mature and strong stance.

Fair enough. I agree.

However, when someone rubs you up the wrong way, would you be inclined to help them further their career?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A few weeks a year, for a couple of years.

Observing gives the impression of a passive role. Kimmage doesn't seem too good at passive.

And what makes you think PK is an a..hole?

If this is indeed why then why did Sky actively encourage PK to follow them?

 

[Grandillusion]

Fair enough. I agree.

However, when someone rubs you up the wrong way, would you be inclined to help them further their career?

Fair enough, you know more than me about the inside story with these guys.

Just thought from their own PR and credibility point of view they'd see the bigger picture?

Cheers

 

[andy1234]

And what makes you think PK is an a..hole?

If this is indeed why then why did Sky actively encourage PK to follow them?

I don't KNOW that Sky have the same opinion of Kimmage. That's why I finished my original statement with a ? Let's call it an educated guess.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Fair enough, you know more than me about the inside story with these guys.

Just thought from their own PR and credibility point of view they'd see the bigger picture?

Cheers

Andy appears to not have the "inside story" as you seem to accept.

Kimmage was already with Sky before the Tour and it was arranged that he would follow them for the Tour. Yet team Sky pulled the deal. So he then requested that he be allowed talk to Michael Barry, Brailsford refused - which seems an odd thing to when you know that your rider has nothing to hide.

Garmin don't seem to have a problem with the a..hole.

 

[Grandillusion]

Andy appears to not have the "inside story" as you seem to accept.

Kimmage was already with Sky before the Tour and it was arranged that he would follow them for the Tour. Yet team Sky pulled the deal. So he then requested that he be allowed talk to Michael Barry, Brailsford refused - which seems an odd thing to when you know that your rider has nothing to hide.

Garmin don't seem to have a problem with the a..hole.

Thanks for the background. All seems a bit odd alright. I just thought at this horrendous time for the sport that there are more important things to focus on than trivial personality clashes. Maybe the reluctance has nothing at all to do with such nonsense.

And they haven't fallen out with Greg LeMond too, surely? Thought they'd have been falling over themselves to glad-hand the vindicated hero who's suffered so much, and is now at the vanguard of the "clean war".

 

[Hugh Januss]

Andy appears to not have the "inside story" as you seem to accept.

Kimmage was already with Sky before the Tour and it was arranged that he would follow them for the Tour. Yet team Sky pulled the deal. So he then requested that he be allowed talk to Michael Barry, Brailsford refused - which seems an odd thing to when you know that your rider has nothing to hide.

Garmin don't seem to have a problem with the a..hole.

Maybe JV's an a$$hole too?

 

[workingclasshero]

heading there for a two week training camp myself in the new year, will look around for BB's and doctors with car names

 

[JimmyFingers]

Agreed. Yates is a filthy double wristband wearing Tenerife inhabiting doper.

I'm glad he has gone from Sky. As Pat McQuaid said - Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. Nor has Yates.

Here for once we agree. Glad Yates has gone

I do dislike the descriptions of Froome as an alien. How he looks on a bike has no relevance to a question of doping

 

[thehog]

Here for once we agree. Glad Yates has gone

I do dislike the descriptions of Froome as an alien. How he looks on a bike has no relevance to a question of doping

Go to bed Jimmy.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Go to bed Jimmy.

You say it wrong, it should va te coucher, cochon

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Go to bed Jimmy.

"Here's 56 channels of American Gladiators."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Just wondering if Wiggins, Froome or Brailsford, or anyone else from Team Sky have made any public statements in praise of, and solidarity with, Greg LeMond (surely the ultimate clean-riding poster-boy, now heroically vindicated), and Paul Kimmage?

Sky are aligning these dots through the back door, possibly.

Some time ago someone said if Sky could get endorsed by Lemond it would put some of the suspicion to rest and unfortunately, I agree.

Rapha are now sponsoring Sky for clothing.

August 30th, 2012: http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/rapha_ousts_adidas_at_team_sky/

It was announced recently that Greg Lemond is getting involved with Rapha Continental - can't tell what that is exactly. Just a feature or an ongoing thing? http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-continental-with-greg-lemond

 

[ferryman]

heading there for a two week training camp myself in the new year, will look around for BB's and doctors with car names

Heading there late Feb/March myself (hol not training). My eyes will be peeled but I just might make a false emergency doctor call to find out who/what(!) doctor I am referred to

 

[Grandillusion]

Sky are aligning these dots through the back door, possibly.

Some time ago someone said if Sky could get endorsed by Lemond it would put some of the suspicion to rest and unfortunately, I agree.

Rapha are now sponsoring Sky for clothing.

August 30th, 2012: http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/rapha_ousts_adidas_at_team_sky/

It was announced recently that Greg Lemond is getting involved with Rapha Continental - can't tell what that is exactly. Just a feature or an ongoing thing? http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-continental-with-greg-lemond

I'm just genuinely interested in why Sky aren't endorsing LeMond at this critical time (not them getting endorsed by him).

Not meaning to insinuate anything, it's just that all the blood doping technicalia and destination speculation is wasted on me (although fascinating) and other questions spring to mind.

Thanks for the reply & links.