Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[BillytheKid]

Wiggins is deflecting. Honestly? I can not tell.

 

[Joachim]

Why get personal? I've reported this post to the moderators for offensive and personal remarks.

Why don't you report this post at the same time:

Yes you were dreaming. You’re still dreaming as you haven't understood the context of my post. That’s ok. I didn’t expect that you would. I generally post for the post graduate types on this forumI’ll dumb it down for you;

Please respect others. I won't ask again.

Or?

 

[thehog]

Cool your jets. No need to get too excited. Its only an internet forum.

If you’re Belgium you wouldn’t even know who Dave Brailsford is! Sky won the Tour. So what. That doesn’t constitute you to be the “voice of reason” for the crimes of doping from 1998-2009. Braislford has no business in that era. He’s a track head at heart and wasn’t a very good cyclist himself. He didn't even ride at the Pro level. What’s he doing telling everyone to “shut up and not talk about it” for? Bruyneel rode during those times and would be in a position to speak. Not Brailsford. After all Braislford hired Leinders - Who was head of the second biggest systematic team-wide doping program in Pro cycling! No wonder Brailsfords wants to keep it under the carpet!

Thanks Dave!

I’m sorry. Sky are a new team. Had a great 2012 but that’s not a license to shut down doping talk especially when there’s so many question about team Sky themselves.

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[Joachim]

Cool your jets. No need to get too excited. Its only an internet forum.

If you’re Belgium you wouldn’t even know who Dave Brailsford is! Sky won the Tour. So what. That doesn’t constitute you to be the “voice of reason” for the crimes of doping from 1998-2009. Braislford has no business in that era. He’s a track head at heart and wasn’t a very good cyclist himself. He didn't even ride at the Pro level. What’s he doing telling everyone to “shut up and not talk about it” for? Bruyneel rode during those times and would be in a position to speak. Not Brailsford. After all Braislford hired Leinders - Who was head of the second biggest systematic team-wide doping program in Pro cycling! No wonder Brailsfords wants to keep it under the carpet!

Thanks Dave!

I’m sorry. Sky are a new team. Had a great 2012 but that’s not a license to shut down doping talk especially when there’s so many question about team Sky themselves.

It's really simple. He isn't telling anyone to shut up. You know this. Why lie?


As for whether it's his business to comment, he knows more about it than you. You should stay out of it. None of your business.

 

[Grandillusion]

Cool your jets. No need to get too excited. Its only an internet forum.

If you’re Belgium you wouldn’t even know who Dave Brailsford is! Sky won the Tour. So what. That doesn’t constitute you to be the “voice of reason” for the crimes of doping from 1998-2009. Braislford has no business in that era. He’s a track head at heart and wasn’t a very good cyclist himself. He didn't even ride at the Pro level. What’s he doing telling everyone to “shut up and not talk about it” for? Bruyneel rode during those times and would be in a position to speak. Not Brailsford. After all Braislford hired Leinders - Who was head of the second biggest systematic team-wide doping program in Pro cycling! No wonder Brailsfords wants to keep it under the carpet!

Thanks Dave!

I’m sorry. Sky are a new team. Had a great 2012 but that’s not a license to shut down doping talk especially when there’s so many question about team Sky themselves.

Er, I think we (sort of) agree in a very roundabout way about some things then

Bruyneel as a spokesman though? This is getting surreal!

What I'm talking about Hog is how USEFUL Brailsford could be at this time, as opposed to wilfully and perversely obstructive. And whatever hierarchical 'importance' in the pantheon you perceive him to have, fact is he's fairly high profile right now and could be helping not obstructing. Seems simple enough to me.

No offence intended by the way

 

[thehog]

Er, I think we (sort of) agree in a very roundabout way about some things then

Bruyneel as a spokesman though? This is getting surreal!

What I'm talking about Hog is how USEFUL Brailsford could be at this time, as opposed to wilfully and perversely obstructive. And whatever hierarchical 'importance' in the pantheon you perceive him to have, fact is he's fairly high profile right now and could be helping not obstructing. Seems simple enough to me.

No offence intended by the way

Point being cycling was (is) a cesspit of doping. Top to bottom. 6 months ago Hamilton and Landis were still being class as scumbags by the media and “bitter”. But their stories in regards to the inside of sport were pivotal. People will look back at those two and thank them for their brave contributions to the sport. For the first time the UCI are hitting the mainstream media for their incompetence. And they brought down “The Lance” – who would have thought that a year ago?

I see Bruyneel the same. He has a chance to change the sport. Lance never, not possible. Bruyneel ,yes. Because Bruyneel lived it at as a cyclists and as a DS.

This why Brailsford needs to stay out of the dialogue it’s not helpful for him to use the very recent success of Sky to stop the ghosts of doping past. We still don’t know the full story in regards to UCI cover-ups etc. to Lance and it needs to come out before we can move on. Or is that what Dave is really protecting? The UCI? And his cozy relationship?

 

[del1962]

Why get personal? I've reported this post to the moderators for offensive and personal remarks.

Why not just discuss the issues at hand? Instead of trying to be cruel and hurtful?

Please respect others. I won't ask again.

Your sarcastic post graduate comments were the start of the insults, if you cannot handle an insult, don't throw them around

 

[Grandillusion]

Point being cycling was (is) a cesspit of doping. Top to bottom. 6 months ago Hamilton and Landis were still being class as scumbags by the media and “bitter”. But their stories in regards to the inside of sport were pivotal. People will look back at those two and thank them for their brave contributions to the sport. For the first time the UCI are hitting the mainstream media for their incompetence. And they brought down “The Lance” – who would have thought that a year ago?

I see Bruyneel the same. He has a chance to change the sport. Lance never, not possible. Bruyneel ,yes. Because Bruyneel lived it at as a cyclists and as a DS.

This why Brailsford needs to stay out of the dialogue it’s not helpful for him to use the very recent success of Sky to stop the ghosts of doping past. We still don’t know the full story in regards to UCI cover-ups etc. to Lance and it needs to come out before we can move on. Or is that what Dave is really protecting? The UCI? And his cozy relationship?

Well Bruyneel may well have a chance to change the sport, but lets not hold our breath on that one eh?

Brailsford conversely is the self-proclaimed champion of clean, and for him of all people to be making statements positively obstructive to and dismissive of the ongoing battle (and it bl**dy well IS a battle) is totally reprehensible.

How plain does it have to be stated?

 

[del1962]

Attack the messenger. Cute. Thanks Lance.

Hypocracy from hoggie, you attacked me in a lance like fashion with your post grad comment

sickening

 

[thehog]

Well Bruyneel may well have a chance to change the sport, but lets not hold our breath on that one eh?

Brailsford conversely is the self-proclaimed champion of clean, and for him of all people to be making statements positively obstructive to and dismissive of the ongoing battle (and it bl**dy well IS a battle) is totally reprehensible.

How plain does it have to be stated?

Believe it or not Virenque was the first self-proclaimed virtue of “clean cycling”. Then Lance took that title in 1999 by not doing that to his body after cancer. And now Wiggins is the new one thanks to the kiddies being used as a wedge between being clean and the accusations. Brailsford hasn’t shown me anything that is clean. Not seen blood profiles, statistics, power data or anything that would lead me to believe anything has changed in the sport. In fact I’ve seen the opposite. I’ve seen a tremendous amount of sweeping under the carpet which makes his T&R comments even more chilling.

 

[thehog]

Your sarcastic post graduate comments were the start of the insults, if you cannot handle an insult, don't throw them around

Grow up. I mean, really.

 

[del1962]

Grow up. I mean, really.

Stop the Lance like insults please.

 

[thehog]

Believe it or not Virenque was the first self-proclaimed virtue of “clean cycling”. Then Lance took that title in 1999 by not doing that to his body after cancer. And now Wiggins is the new one thanks to the kiddies being used as a wedge between being clean and the accusations. Brailsford hasn’t shown me anything that is clean. Not seen blood profiles, statistics, power data or anything that would lead me to believe anything has changed in the sport. In fact I’ve seen the opposite. I’ve seen a tremendous amount of sweeping under the carpet which makes his T&R comments even more chilling.

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[Grandillusion]

Believe it or not Virenque was the first self-proclaimed virtue of “clean cycling”. Then Lance took that title in 1999 by not doing that to his body after cancer. And now Wiggins is the new one thanks to the kiddies being used as a wedge between being clean and the accusations. Brailsford hasn’t shown me anything that is clean. Not seen blood profiles, statistics, power data or anything that would lead me to believe anything has changed in the sport. In fact I’ve seen the opposite. I’ve seen a tremendous amount of sweeping under the carpet which makes his T&R comments even more chilling.

I know all of the above, we seem to be talking at total cross purposes! Except I'm not as 'sure' as you appear to be of the certainty of Sky's doping.

I'm simply making a point that Brailsford, as today's self-proclaimed clean warrior, has made a public statement wholly at odds with what one would expect of a person in his position. Disgracefully so. Jeez, we're sort of on the same side on this, but you seem obsessed (as lots of people on the Clinic seem to be) with how high someone ranks on the 'importance' scale. Brailsford, at the moment, is reasonably 'important' and potentially influential at a crucial time, and could be making helpful noises. Don't you agree on that? Or is he too 'unimportant'? Honestly, this is ridiculous!

 

[ebandit]

attack

Attack the messenger. Cute. Thanks Lance.

hoggie........further to your request for members 'not to call the messenger'

what do you do?..............call the member lance

your motto.............'do as i say...not what i do'

like complaining of censorship............then trying to shut me up

 

[Benotti69]

Ha ha! Three interpretations of a simple little sentence, I should have guessed correct first time

Don't know if you're being literal in your assertion, but has such shameful journalistic incompetence happened here before? I was reading 'sinister' intent where maybe none exists.

Lots. They manged to make a JV 'interview' out of a few of his posts.

 

[thehog]

I know all of the above, we seem to be talking at total cross purposes! Except I'm not as 'sure' as you appear to be of the certainty of Sky's doping.

I'm simply making a point that Brailsford, as today's self-proclaimed clean warrior, has made a public statement wholly at odds with what one would expect of a person in his position. Disgracefully so. Jeez, we're sort of on the same side on this, but you seem obsessed (as lots of people on the Clinic seem to be) with how high someone ranks on the 'importance' scale. Brailsford, at the moment, is reasonably 'important' and potentially influential at a crucial time, and could be making helpful noises. Don't you agree on that? Or is he too 'unimportant'? Honestly, this is ridiculous!

I think what you’re saying is this is not Brailsford’s battle to fight. He’s only weighing in because the UCI need someone to shutdown a T&R. The UCI don’t want a T&R or anything similar.

Personally I’d prefer if Braislford would stay out. But I guess he has to keep the glue between him and his new buddies. With the way that Yates, Rogers, Leinders was handled you know Braislfords voice on doping is loud and clear.

 

[Grandillusion]

Lots. They manged to make a JV 'interview' out of a few of his posts.

Oh well, I suppose they haven't deleted my post, or sent the secret police round yet, so they're not Pravda. My Orwellian paranoia was unfounded.

 

[Grandillusion]

I think what you’re saying is this is not Brailsford’s battle to fight. He’s only weighing in because the UCI need someone to shutdown a T&R. The UCI don’t want a T&R or anything similar.

Personally I’d prefer if Braislford would stay out. But I guess he has to keep the glue between him and his new buddies. With the way that Yates, Rogers, Leinders was handled you know Braislfords voice on doping is loud and clear.

Mein Gott the frustration! I'm saying if the world was sane this SHOULD be Brailsford's battle to fight. This could be his chance to help the sport big style.

I've been posting for days agreeing with what you say about him being on the UCI's side, and the UCI's unwillingness on T&R.

I too would prefer it if he stayed out when he's coming out with disingenuous massively unhelpful drivel like this!

We're on the same side Hog

 

[andy1234]

Attack the messenger. Cute. Thanks Lance.

Suck it up Pinocchio.

If the messenger tells enough lies, then its the liar that needs addressing

 

[Libertine Seguros]

oh well, i suppose they haven't deleted my post, or sent the secret police round yet, so they're not pravda. My orwellian paranoia was unfounded.

Я часто сижу и грущу, я умею плакать без слез.
Я делаю пустые глаза и на каждый вопрос отвечаю "за".
Но утром по пути в киоск я часто хочу, чего нет.
Меня научила мечтать свежая краска газет "Союзпечать".
Мне надо быть в курсе, я делаю деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

Я часто хожу в кино, пустое, как чешский трамвай,
Смотрю заграничный фильм, попробуй меня поймай, я
Всегда один.

Но утром по пути в киоск мы вместе хотим чего нет,
Меня научила ждать свежая краска газет, "Союзпечать".
Нам надо быть в курсе, мы делаем деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

Когда идешь мимо меня, не делай такое лицо,
Будто тебе наплевать, что скажет о нас страна
И "Союзпечать"
Запомни, мы делаем деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

 

[Winterfold]

Have any of the mods or CN staff ever read those rules?

"3. Illegal, libelous, or slanderous posts or threads will not be tolerated, and result in infractions or bans."

pmsl

unless I missed the 'These days the Clinic is for comic amusement only and the rules do not apply.' caveat.

thehog, I am a 'post graduate type' - do not speak for me, or flatter yourself by thinking your posts are of the quality of eg Krebs Cycle, Coggan, thebreton and other people who actually know what they are talking about.

 

[coinneach]

Я часто сижу и грущу, я умею плакать без слез.
Я делаю пустые глаза и на каждый вопрос отвечаю "за".
Но утром по пути в киоск я часто хочу, чего нет.
Меня научила мечтать свежая краска газет "Союзпечать".
Мне надо быть в курсе, я делаю деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

Я часто хожу в кино, пустое, как чешский трамвай,
Смотрю заграничный фильм, попробуй меня поймай, я
Всегда один.

Но утром по пути в киоск мы вместе хотим чего нет,
Меня научила ждать свежая краска газет, "Союзпечать".
Нам надо быть в курсе, мы делаем деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

Когда идешь мимо меня, не делай такое лицо,
Будто тебе наплевать, что скажет о нас страна
И "Союзпечать"
Запомни, мы делаем деньги,
Фальшивые деньги.

Is there anything this man can't do!
You are wasted spending so much time on the forum!!!!

 

[Grandillusion]

Боже мой!...Боже мой!