Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[richtea]

There was no mention of the doping allegations against Sky, no reasoned argument, no discussion, they blanked everything out.

There is nothing you could describe accurately as a doping allegation against Sky - speculation is the word you want I believe.

 

[roundabout]

Would you say that off Gilbert last season, or Boonen earlier this season?

Im just saying, trying to balance it up. Gilbert had a stormer last season. OIff the boil now.

Difference, Boonen & Gilbert dont ride long tours like Wiggo (well, as a contender if you know what I mean)

Catalunya - not racing anything for a month-Romandie - not racing anything for a month-Dauphine - not racing anything for 3 weeks (ok, this one is normal) - Tour.

It's difficult to say how peaky wiggins form is with him disappearing to training camps for weeks between races

 

[MartinGT]

Catalunya - not racing anything for a month-Romandie - not racing anything for a month-Dauphine - not racing anything for 3 weeks (ok, this one is normal) - Tour.

It's difficult to say how peaky wiggins form is with him disappearing to training camps for weeks between races

How many people have managed to *ping* their peaks so accuratley in the past before though?

I would like to think Wiggo is clean, hell I would like to think they all are, but Froome.

Did you see his sprint to the line today, feck me, it was like there was a line of dope he was chasing!

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

but that ability to "attack" has been directly related to the amount of doping a rider is doing.

is ricco a "true great rider"?

valverde?

vino?

these guys can't seem to attack quite so much when the sauce is lessened. so why do we continue to laud them and "miss" them? it's faulty logic imo.

the ****?

 

[roundabout]

It isn't just Harmon and Kelly, and other paid commentators. Here is what Mr. Clean had to say on Twitter:

@Vaughters TJVG from our Junior team, Wiggo from our pro team.I'm good at picking 'em... Not very good at being able to afford them once they kick ***!

Really begs the question, doesn't it? To you and me the Wiggins/Froome performances are laughable - talk about a mockery! - but Vaughters can't cheer enough.

And I used to think that JV signed wiggins as a TTT engine, break chaser for Farrar. But apparently he saw GC potential underneath all that trackie muscle???

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes. The 'Eyes of doping' now are fixated on AC. 14 years ago...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Tour_de_France. This opened the door for others to enter through the back door: (Sky-crodose, USPSEPO) while openly boasting about taking on the mantle of legitimacy. If you're gonna lie, tell a big one, I guess. It's still a lie.

These climbing and TT performances...I don't think AC could even keep up. I think they are doped to the gills.

Wiggins and Froome's climbing reminded me of Rasmussen's TT in 2007. Am I to believe them or my own lyin' eyes?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...chael-Rasmussen-digs-deep-to-retain-lead.html

Yup, I agree. It's sad, really.

 

[roundabout]

How many people have managed to *ping* their peaks so accuratley in the past before though?

I would like to think Wiggo is clean, hell I would like to think they all are, but Froome.

Did you see his sprint to the line today, feck me, it was like there was a line of dope he was chasing!

A lot of people sprinted for the line, not just Froome. Although I did think the same as you for a second when he was finishing.

As for peaks, my point is that with such a schedule is difficult to tell whether he is always in good form ala Valverde circa last year and a bit prior to his ban, or he carefully peaks for each event.

 

[Maxiton]

And I used to think that JV signed wiggins as a TTT engine, break chaser for Farrar. But apparently he saw GC potential underneath all that trackie muscle???

He definitely had Clennins, sorry, I mean Wiggins, in mind as a GT contender. But Wiggins decided the argyle team weren't "professional" enough. (So he said at the time.) You can take that however you want, but his performance and that of his teammates in this Tour tells me all I need to know about what professional is.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Yup, I agree. It's sad, really.

why?
I do agree that the tt was amazing.
But honestly they did not even drop Nibali up La Planche des Belles Filles... To say that AC wouldnt be close to them is.. um what word am I looking for? stupid?

 

[richtea]

Would you say that off Gilbert last season, or Boonen earlier this season?

Im just saying, trying to balance it up. Gilbert had a stormer last season. OIff the boil now.

Difference, Boonen & Gilbert dont ride long tours like Wiggo (well, as a contender if you know what I mean)

I simply note that two performance profiles that are wholly different are used to support arguments that riders are doping.

 

[noddy69]

Just watched the recording of today. I knew the results and comments before watching but I was still amazed at how EurosportUK insulted the intelligence of the viewers. That is Harmon and Kelly commentationg and the British muppets in the studio.

It was all how amazing Sky were, no questioning of the results. To add insult to injury, they then said that while all the British papers will be praising Wiggins and Froome (how do they know as Murdoch only owns 75% of newspapers) and that the French will be unhappy. Why only the French? They were so patronising and smug it was untrue. I am embarrassed to be British.

There was no mention of the doping allegations against Sky, no reasoned argument, no discussion, they blanked everything out.

Not totally true. Kelly called Froome's tt performance as something he found surprising..and was said in that tone.
However in the studio it got a bit cringy. One guy was red faced while the other two fawned over sky. However there was a comment when it was mentioned that a team dominence had been seen before and wasnt strange...cue laughing in the studio and moving on.
They knew what they had just said and laughed about it in the studio without actually mentioning who it was, now thats truly embarrassing.

 

[college]

Wiggins is a great example of what hard work and determination will get you. I do not think he doped at all.

 

[PedalPusher]

Yup. He is on the wrong program. He should give Sky's doctor a call. Anorexic riders losing massive weight and increasing power are all the rage these days.

They just don't get it do they?

 

[ggusta]

why?
I do agree that the tt was amazing.
But honestly they did not even drop Nibali up La Planche des Belles Filles... To say that AC wouldnt be close to them is.. um what word am I looking for? stupid?

It's just my opinion, but thank you for calling it stupid anyways. We wouldn't really know unless they went head to head. I don't think that will happen in a stage race with both mountains and TT's for sometime, but shoot me a PM when they do to remind me and maybe you can call my opinion stupid again??

 

[roundabout]

He definitely had Clennins, sorry, I mean Wiggins, in mind as a GT contender. But Wiggins decided the argyle team weren't "professional" enough. (So he said at the time.) You can take that however you want, but his performance and that of his teammates in this Tour tells me all I need to know about what professional is.

I'll have to look at how Wiggins' signing was presented back then.

 

[ggusta]

Wiggins is a great example of what hard work and determination will get you. I do not think he doped at all.

Well said. Nice avatar by the way.

 

[trompe le monde]

Wiggins is a great example of what hard work and determination will get you. I do not think he doped at all.

Maybe he called up Landis to get some pointers on Amish dedication and hard work?

Why, maybe Wiggins embraced this Amish ethos in preparation for the tour by riding up Mount Ventoux 8 times a day with two panier bags full of cows milk and a freshly slaughtered lamb strapped to his downtube in order to work harder? If that isn't hard work and determination, then I don't know what is.

Apologies to anyone Amish, I don't mean to offend.

 

[noddy69]

http://blogs.teamskyfans.com/?p=161

no need to read it all, just the last line. Written by someone at team skyfans.
I wonder what they will say to retract that if he wins.

 

[Dr.Sahl]

It's interesting how being good all season long and irregular peaks in performance are both signs of doping.

Atleast comment on all the points---

Most top riders are being discussed, nothing wrong with that, I didnt set this up as the only point!!!!!

I think his weird how he can tranform to a all powerfull monster on 1 year (yes 1 year) he is the best in all almost all fields... whats next ?? will he win a sprint on the flat

 

[Clemson Cycling]

http://blogs.teamskyfans.com/?p=161

no need to read it all, just the last line. Written by someone at team skyfans.
I wonder what they will say to retract that if he wins.

There are riders that break the mould, Wiggins in 2009, Hesjedal in 2010, Vandevelde in 2008, but all these riders have one thing in common. They had that one good year. Co-incidentally, they are all riders believed by many to be clean.

All rode for Garmin as well. Vande Velde was quite a good rider before that as well

 

[noddy69]

All rode for Garmin as well. Vande Velde was quite a good rider before that as well

true but I was thinking more of this one.

Cycling is cleaner and cleaner, and hopefully it will continue to improve. But if you are looking for that clean rider, dont look at the top step of the podium in Paris. He wont be there.

 

[patrick767]

There is nothing you could describe accurately as a doping allegation against Sky - speculation is the word you want I believe.

Welcome to the Clinic, where great performances always mean doping. I don't know why this lot follows pro cycling at all. I guess some people just like to be perpetually outraged.

 

[Elagabalus]

Wiggins is a great example of what hard work and determination will get you. I do not think he doped at all.

Exactly!!

What we are seeing is the new "Tenerife Model". People who are willing to go to Tenerife and train just simply want it MORE! And enduring the hardships of four-star hotels and restaurants serve to focus the mind better than anything known to man ...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think his weird how he can tranform to a all powerfull monster on 1 year (yes 1 year) he is the best in all almost all fields... whats next ?? will he win a sprint on the flat

He already did, in Romandie.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Wiggins is a great example of what hard work and determination will get you. I do not think he doped at all.

Remember the Armstrong work ethic in the early 2000's. Living in France, riding the course again and again, etc.