Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[ANCrider]

No it wouldn't. Sky's already swept out the most suspicious folks and threw in a couple more just to make a point of it.

I think we were really talking about public reaction rather than consequences within the sport, but... it would likely be the end of BC. There is a lot riding on the track and road remaining scandal free.

You are making some vague allegations of "being on the inside" of pro cycling.

Well it was my line of work for 16 years

 

[Benotti69]

Well it was my line of work for 16 years

Why not out yourself like Vaughters, Daryl Webster, Mike Anderson and Betsy Andreu who all post here as themselves?

 

[BYOP88]

Why not out yourself like Vaughters, Daryl Webster, Mike Anderson and Betsy Andreu who all post here as themselves?

Has some 'insider knowledge' regarding USPS and panels. My guess is ANCrider=Johan B.

 

[Benotti69]

Has some 'insider knowledge' regarding USPS and panels. My guess is ANCrider=Johan B.

Strange choice of user name for Hog!

Think it is someone else. Could it possible be a former TeamANC rider?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why not out yourself like Vaughters, Daryl Webster, Mike Anderson and Betsy Andreu who all post here as themselves?

+1 Either identify yourself, or stay anonymous. In fact, I'd prefer if you stayed anonymous and were more explicit about your experiences, if they are real. As Benotti69 posted, a few real people stop by, so join the crowd if you like. But, the vague references don't help anyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANC-Halfords_Cycling_Team

It wouldn't be the end of BC. The leader of BC is very senior at the UCI, so he's safe. Maybe a hearing or two to satisfy any bloodthirsty voters with Brailsford taking the abuse. Brailsford may have to take a fall. But, that's about it.

Literally nothing changed in the U.S. despite the fact the executive management at USA Cycling was USPS leadership. Why would BC be different?

 

[BYOP88]

Strange choice of user name for Hog!

Think it is someone else. Could it possible be a former TeamANC rider?

The old guy who retired recently, Malcolm something. Who doesn't like it when you edit his wiki page about his doping past.

 

[Granville57]

Motorcycle courier with refrigerated panniers following the team round France to name but one.

You would not believe how much I laughed about it at the time.

Well one of the guys was me.

Like I said, detailed rumours were about almost immediately.

Yeah, we read the book too. Page 309.

Thursday, July 26, 2005
FDREU: How do they sneek it in?

Cyclevaughters: Motorcycle—refrigerated panniers

But you were one of cycling “insiders”? So Frankie Andreu must have been one of cycling’s “outsiders” ...back in 1999?

THE big difference between USPS and Sky is that almost immediately post 99 win there were detailed rumours. Detailed. Not mere internet warrior speculation but detailed knowledge. That is why Walsh knew he was on to a winner.

Yes. As previously stated: we read the book as well.
Prologue - Page xiv. Benoit Hopquin’s source.

Please do better. This is The Clinic after all. Please do better. Thank you.

In the USPS era you or anyone could have pointed the finger at ANY team in the pro peloton and you'd have been right.

(of course pretty much everybody had organised supply as well)

WOW! Really?!?!

Is there a reason for stating the obvious?

So much for the amazing powers of perception of 'The Clinic'.

And yet here you are.

Deepthroat. But you wait until 2013 to grace us with your presence.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Well it was my line of work for 16 years

Well, that is a positive sign. Nice to have a new enigma on hand.

 

[Benotti69]

The old guy who retired recently, Malcolm something. Who doesn't like it when you edit his wiki page about his doping past.

Malcolm Elliot who was upset that Daryl Webster had a pop at him and reminded everyone of his doping past.

 

[Benotti69]

+1 Either identify yourself, or stay anonymous. In fact, I'd prefer if you stayed anonymous and were more explicit about your experiences, if they are real. As Benotti69 posted, a few real people stop by, so join the crowd if you like. But, the vague references don't help anyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANC-Halfords_Cycling_Team

It wouldn't be the end of BC. The leader of BC is very senior at the UCI, so he's safe. Maybe a hearing or two to satisfy any bloodthirsty voters with Brailsford taking the abuse. Brailsford may have to take a fall. But, that's about it.

Literally nothing changed in the U.S. despite the fact the executive management at USA Cycling was USPS leadership. Why would BC be different?

I prefer 'insiders' post anonymously, like RaceRadio if they are truly insiders and can post info that is useful.

If they are not going to 'useful' why remain anonymous after declaring 16years as part of the sport.

 

[BYOP88]

Malcolm Elliot who was upset that Daryl Webster had a pop at him and reminded everyone of his doping past.

I'd seen his entry on Dopeology a while back, 'tis a great site.

 

[diorgen]

Could Brailsford turn Cancellara into a GC winner, given enough time and AICAR and whatever else Wiggins uses? I think Brailsford has been at the forefront of doping since at least the early 2000's. Not 1 British Cycling medal is legitimate.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Could Brailsford turn Cancellara into a GC winner, given enough time and AICAR and whatever else Wiggins uses? I think Brailsford has been at the forefront of doping since at least the early 2000's. Not 1 British Cycling medal is legitimate.

Easily. Cancellara was a better time triallist and a better climber than Wiggins until 2011, is a better sprinter so can pick up more bonus seconds from small bunches, and is infinitely better on Classics-styled routes to this day.

 

[MatParker117]

Easily. Cancellara was a better time triallist and a better climber than Wiggins until 2011, is a better sprinter so can pick up more bonus seconds from small bunches, and is infinitely better on Classics-styled routes to this day.

Sky pursued Fabian in 2011 and may do so again this year.

Wiggins
Froome
Porte
Cancellara
Cataldo
Kiryienka
Lopez
Uran

Now that is just unfair.

 

[Chaddy]

Could Brailsford turn Cancellara into a GC winner, given enough time and AICAR and whatever else Wiggins uses? I think Brailsford has been at the forefront of doping since at least the early 2000's. Not 1 British Cycling medal is legitimate.

What, even the lovely Laura Trott?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Oh, my bad, that makes is more believable. My bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LwzfWal4kE4#t=601s
The video evidence says differently vickers, sorry.

Loving the video time-jumps, FGL.

I think Porte and Froome get on better than Wiggins + anyone else. Great to see. Will make them a formidable pair.

 

[thehog]

A little over a year on from that article he ripped it up at the Vuelta.

I read that he left the caps of the valves on his tyres. With the weight loss of two plastic caps he became a world beater.

Micro gains.

 

[thehog]

Everything about Landis that was mentioned in the Clinic was shown to be true. The lies and acting were called out. Floyd admitted it.

Meanwhile the Clinic talked non stop about the greater issue. Lance. What he'd done. In depth and rehashed again and again. The court cases, the bullying, the drug supplies, the sycophantic personality, the doping before the comeback and subsequently after it. Then came the talk about the rest. Plenty of riders fell to the way side, found to have been doping. All were called out.

Then USADA finally got the ball rolling when Floyd talked. He didn't hold back. Fast forward to last year and despite LA's pleas and lies stating he was a good boy, USADA banned him. Then they released their Reasoned Decision. Everything was filled in. We knew the general framework, all that was missing was specifics. Who he bullied and threatened on the side in the past and further more to that day. Only an idiot couldn't join the dots. USADA confirmed all of it. Then LA sensing his image needed to be buffered did the same, albeit after every personal sponsor abandoned him.

All that talk about Lance since the Clinic's inception up to August when USADA charged him and banned him was proven. The Clinic wasn't wrong on that. It's about human nature. Human weakness. Psychological behavioural tells. Cues that can be deciphered from simple pattern recognition. All you need is a functioning brain and some solid questioning and decent memory for recalling what happened. Not cynics. Realists first and foremost. People who couldn't give a rats rear end about upholding some lofty BS fairy tale status quo about riders rights. The Clinic see's what is going on. The obvious. Why? Because we've seen every trick and con that cycling has thought up and boy have they managed to concoct some doozies.

So if the Clinic was right about LA and all their hangers on. Right about doping for over a decade. Why now, all of a sudden, when a new US Postal has emerged, mirroring the play book LA and Bruyneel fashioned, even calling themselves the same thing and with their team leader praising LA no less in the same year he is proven to be a doping lying sycophant, are the Clinic wrong? What percentage chance do you think the Clinic has this wrong about Sky? Or any big name rider who is winning lots? Face it, historically numbers are against them being clean.

You're facing the greatest beast of all...the times. Because time is the great equaliser. If LA couldn't escape, Sky won't. It will come out. In Time. They will be judged by the times. By what they've done. By the idiot fans who aren't realists. Just like LA their facade will fade. Can't escape the great beast known as time. The only thing that trumps Time is the Truth.

Armstrong had the foundation as deflection.

Sky go one better. They own the media.

Your not going to get a Walsh type or Kimmage writing those articles on Sky.

Not going to happen.

It's really only social media laughing their pants off at the performances. Main steam media are still buying it and writing a out it if super super clean.

The only way Sky will get caught is customs. But I still can't see it happening. They've moved on from Motoman.

Logistics has changed. Transport of dope is your biggest risk. 2009 dropping into Spain is much easer.

We'll see....

Porte spoke to Ashenden and look at the path he chose. I hope he doesn't regret it one day.

 

[The Hitch]

What, even the lovely Laura Trott?

Im sure some of the Russian and other Eastern Girls what eventually got caught out were quite hot

 

[The Hitch]

In the pro section there is talk that Sky are getting ready to move into cycling broadcasting, and take over it like they did with football. Dont know if its true but backed up by the fact that they are now giving out tasters - highlights of the classics and TA, something they have never shown before.

Quite some coincidence that their move into cycling just happens to come as Britain become, as was put earlier today - the kings of cycling.

BskyB and Rupert Murdoch cant believe their luck.

If that is true of course, which considering they will charge 50 squid a month to watch, we still hold out hope it is not.

 

[Clausfarre]

In the pro section there is talk that Sky are getting ready to move into cycling broadcasting, and take over it like they did with football. Dont know if its true but backed up by the fact that they are now giving out tasters - highlights of the classics and TA, something they have never shown before.

At least Festina and CSC were only running the clocks, not the coverage. Perhaps this will be interrupted when or if the big Skyfall happens.

 

[martinvickers]

Im sure some of the Russian and other Eastern Girls what eventually got caught out were quite hot

Katrin Krabbe. That's about it.

 

[BYOP88]

In the pro section there is talk that Sky are getting ready to move into cycling broadcasting, and take over it like they did with football. Dont know if its true but backed up by the fact that they are now giving out tasters - highlights of the classics and TA, something they have never shown before.

Quite some coincidence that their move into cycling just happens to come as Britain become, as was put earlier today - the kings of cycling.

BskyB and Rupert Murdoch cant believe their luck.

If that is true of course, which considering they will charge 50 squid a month to watch, we still hold out hope it is not.

They have shown the awesome and fantastic Tour Down Under for a few years.

I think ITV held the rights for the classics for several years, maybe they still do. But they've never shown them until this year, I think they're showing a 9pm highlights show of Paris-Roubaix, must be hoping for a 'home team' win.

 

[blackcat]

Everything about Landis that was mentioned in the Clinic was shown to be true. The lies and acting were called out. Floyd admitted it.

Meanwhile the Clinic talked non stop about the greater issue. Lance. What he'd done. In depth and rehashed again and again. The court cases, the bullying, the drug supplies, the sycophantic personality, the doping before the comeback and subsequently after it. Then came the talk about the rest. Plenty of riders fell to the way side, found to have been doping. All were called out.

Then USADA finally got the ball rolling when Floyd talked. He didn't hold back. Fast forward to last year and despite LA's pleas and lies stating he was a good boy, USADA banned him. Then they released their Reasoned Decision. Everything was filled in. We knew the general framework, all that was missing was specifics. Who he bullied and threatened on the side in the past and further more to that day. Only an idiot couldn't join the dots. USADA confirmed all of it. Then LA sensing his image needed to be buffered did the same, albeit after every personal sponsor abandoned him.

All that talk about Lance since the Clinic's inception up to August when USADA charged him and banned him was proven. The Clinic wasn't wrong on that. It's about human nature. Human weakness. Psychological behavioural tells. Cues that can be deciphered from simple pattern recognition. All you need is a functioning brain and some solid questioning and decent memory for recalling what happened. Not cynics. Realists first and foremost. People who couldn't give a rats rear end about upholding some lofty BS fairy tale status quo about riders rights. The Clinic see's what is going on. The obvious. Why? Because we've seen every trick and con that cycling has thought up and boy have they managed to concoct some doozies.

So if the Clinic was right about LA and all their hangers on. Right about doping for over a decade. Why now, all of a sudden, when a new US Postal has emerged, mirroring the play book LA and Bruyneel fashioned, even calling themselves the same thing and with their team leader praising LA no less in the same year he is proven to be a doping lying sycophant, are the Clinic wrong? What percentage chance do you think the Clinic has this wrong about Sky? Or any big name rider who is winning lots? Face it, historically numbers are against them being clean.

You're facing the greatest beast of all...the times. Because time is the great equaliser. If LA couldn't escape, Sky won't. It will come out. In Time. They will be judged by the times. By what they've done. By the idiot fans who aren't realists. Just like LA their facade will fade. Can't escape the great beast known as time. The only thing that trumps Time is the Truth.

how can a top dog be the sycophant? read how he treated charlie sheen, fobbed off the oscar winner, who chose a hollywood route after stone's films. better to be friends with Stiller and McConaughey. unctuous before sycophant's actions. so other famous/celebrities brought the glow brighter on him. but he was still the top dog.

lets go to merriams http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sycophant

 

[gooner]

They have shown the awesome and fantastic Tour Down Under for a few years.

I think ITV held the rights for the classics for several years, maybe they still do. But they've never shown them until this year, I think they're showing a 9pm highlights show of Paris-Roubaix, must be hoping for a 'home team' win.

Last night ITV4 showed highlights of the Criterium International. I don't think they showed that before either. Must of been very confident that Froome was going to do the business and decided to go for it.