Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Alexandre Mignot ‏@AlexandreMignot 7h
Péraud : « I told Froome that I couldn't take a relay at this moment, and he told me : Ok, well, you'll never take a relay. Good bye »

Beating up on French guys. Lance would be proud. The worst side effect of doping is you become *******.

Nice guy Dawg beating up on clean riders. Yo dawg ya kidding me.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Beating up on French guys. Lance would be proud. The worst side effect of doping is you become *******.

Nice guy Dawg beating up on clean riders. Yo dawg ya kidding me.

Well, there is a relation between Vayer/Bassons/Peraud.

Festinaboy will answer in leMonde, for sure.

 

[martinvickers]

Ferarri was not a rumour. Walsh had it on good authority and Armstrong heard Walsh was going to publish so USPS had a press conference to admit to working with Ferarri.

Kimmage wrote a piece disbelieving Armstrong's performance on Sestriere in July 1999.

Ferrari wasn't a rumour. what ferarri was doing with Lance was, because we didn't have definitive proof. but it stank. Much like Geert and Sky, but if we were being genuinely honest, much more so. (Lance returned to him year after year, even after Walsh's article. and Geert was not in the Ferarri/Fuentes league, albeit he was plenty dirty.)

I remember Kimmage's piece. Insightful, in hindsight. But maybe the lawyer in me just likes the way Walsh went and found, and put together, actual evidence. Certainly, for me, 2001 was a key date in my personal journey - a journey sealed when I read about, and looked into the Bassons incident. Clean winners simply don't attack other clean riders for talking about being clean.


By 2003 i was hoping someone would push him off a mountain. A feeling i never had with Indurain, for example. Or Delgado even as he pinged in the tour.

And for the record, I've watched every tour since 84. And have been talking doping since 87 - 25 years of doped tours, give or take. Where only Lemond really convinces, and we just have to hope that Sastre, Eveans and Wiggins don't prove as bad as the rest.

I'm not naive on this, i promise you.

 

[martinvickers]

No, I say the 3 reelings in of Talansky cost a lot of energy, a little less than it will cost Talansky but you do have to come on his wheel before the slipstream will kick in. And yet Porte was able to jump? And how? He made bloodbag Menchov look like a pub rider.

Menchov hasn't been worth crap in ages. And we all think we know why.

He 'reeled in' known mountain sprinters, call it what you like, but after that gungho 600 metres dash uphill - last K in 2 minute 10, about 29 kilometres/hour that is - that is quite nice.

Nice. yes. But open to more than one interpretation. The rest of his week was not indicative of a new mountain sprinter, was it






Dope makes robots, you must know that by now.[/QUOTE]

Contador, Roche, Pantani!!, Delgado?? All dopers. Robots?

 

[will10]

I used 59kg for Rasmussen and 8kg for bike and stuff, if you increase the weight, the watt/kg will go down a little bit obviously

Exactly my point.

 

[DirtyWorks]

How long did it take for people to question? Really question? Took till after his 2005 retirement. Nice try. Walsh's name and book were ignored by the casual fans the sport is sold to. Only Clinic types knew about him. Heck in 2009-2011 around here most hadn't even read his books. Even now I doubt they have.

This is what I recall from that time. Sudden and strange performances really began in the EPO era. The critical thing here is history does not get compressed into a "knew all along" narrative.

 

[BYOP88]

Perhaps Froome should have sit on my wheel all the way up the mountain.

Can't understand why BYOP** is pooing his pants over this

Hey, that's not fair I told you 'I pooped my pants' in strict confidence. One of the side effects of Schistosomiasis.

Speaking of Schistosomiasis, has Froome been cured or does he still have it?

 

[maxmartin]

Hey, that's not fair I told you 'I pooped my pants' in strict confidence. One of the side effects of Schistosomiasis.

Speaking of Schistosomiasis, has Froome been cured or does he still have it?

when he dropped other riders like stone, he is cured and healthy.
when he had a blood shortage day get dropped, oh well we are still trying to cure him. It goes both ways, kudos to SKY.

 

[Cimber]

Hey, that's not fair I told you 'I pooped my pants' in strict confidence. One of the side effects of Schistosomiasis.

Speaking of Schistosomiasis, has Froome been cured or does he still have it?

Dont know, but I am sure he is still on the medication, which increses red blood cells

 

[ANCrider]

Well that's good to know Floyd. I am sure you and Frankie can ask JV who is the other guy whether he's talked about it in the thread.

Oh didn't you know? That the who had the Instant Messenger chat with Betsy Andreu's husband, the head of team Garmin, is a forum member? Check his thread in the Clinic out. He replies there all the time. He mentioned the paniers. That talk did not happen in 99. Like most doping issues it took years to come out.

It's called power. It's called omerta. People don't rock the boat. Not when it puts food on their table. The environment has to provide a platform or necessitate a need for someone to talk about doping. Like what happened with Floyd Landis.

You've been watching too many films.

You are kidding yourself if you think that people didn't talk to each other at the time. You, and everyone else on the outside may have had to wait years to find out some of the details, but you can be sure that the reason Walsh went after Armstrong with such certainty was not based on a hunch.

You appear to have very little understanding of the reality of life within the bubble that was pro racing in that era.

 

[sartoris]

Alexandre Mignot ‏@AlexandreMignot 7h
Péraud : « I told Froome that I couldn't take a relay at this moment, and he told me : Ok, well, you'll never take a relay. Good bye »

Arrogant piece of sh*te. Just like LA in the good ole times.

 

[ultimobici]

Arrogant piece of sh*te. Just like LA in the good ole times.

So a secondhand reporting of a conversation in a language that was not the mother tongue of one rider is taken as gospel to begin with and fully understood to boot? Jeezus

 

[SundayRider]

Really? Most people I can think of will know Wiggins, probably won't know Sky (unless you mean pay-per-view TV) and would not even have an opinion about their approach yet alone know about 'marginal gains'.

I very much doubt the majority of the British public really even know or care about cycling.

This. If there was a doping scandal it Sky it would probably get less attention than Armstrong. If it happens this year it will likely get a lot of attention because it is only 1 year on from 2012 however if it happens years from now, it will pass by quickly.

 

[ANCrider]

It would be explosive.

If it were Wiggins it would be cataclysmic.

 

[sartoris]

So a secondhand reporting of a conversation in a language that was not the mother tongue of one rider is taken as gospel to begin with and fully understood to boot? Jeezus

I didn't take it as Gospel. It might have happenned or not. But that's what I think of Froome in case it did, which is quite likely in my opinion, considering how much he's resembling LA these days.

 

[SundayRider]

It would be explosive.

If it were Wiggins it would be cataclysmic.

To cycling fans it would be, to the general public it would be similar to Armstrong, forgotten fairly quickly.

 

[ANCrider]

You think the general public has forgotten Armstrong?

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froome in 2010

Came across this while lookin for Froome's past. Disqualified and knee problems....May 29th 2010.

The UCI jury typically ignores this sort of assistance and only focuses on the more serious violations.
"I was already off the back on the first climb and then I decided to quit," Froome told Cycling Weekly. "I was trying to get to the top."

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...d-from-giro-d-italia.html#4FITMr2qqzV8o9KB.99

Blimey he's not havin any trouble getting to the top nowadays

 

[thehog]

So a secondhand reporting of a conversation in a language that was not the mother tongue of one rider is taken as gospel to begin with and fully understood to boot? Jeezus

It fits the visual we saw on Sunday.

But don't tel that stop you dismissing it.

The Dawg needs to let up on the BBs. The peloton is going to call him out.

 

[thehog]

Came across this while lookin for Froome's past. Disqualified and knee problems....May 29th 2010.



Blimey he's not havin any trouble getting to the top nowadays

Hahahaha! That's funny.

Now the Motobikes hang on to the Dawg!

 

[SundayRider]

Hahahaha! That's funny.

Now the Motobikes hang on to the Dawg!

A little over a year on from that article he ripped it up at the Vuelta.

 

[will10]

You think the general public has forgotten Armstrong?

Armstrong is still the but.t of jokes amongst lots of non-cycling people I know.

 

[ANCrider]

Exactly.

Armstrong will not be forgotten for decades. And a good thing too. It might be what it needs. Landis wasn't high profile enough, and only served to make ASO super wary.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It would be explosive.

If it were Wiggins it would be cataclysmic.

No it wouldn't. Sky's already swept out the most suspicious folks and threw in a couple more just to make a point of it.

The UCI reports to no one. BC is both the rules enforcer and substantial sponsor to Sky. The UK appears to have practically no enforceable anti-doping law like the U.S. This week we know the IOC demands law enforcement not enforce any anti-doping law as a prerequisite of awarding a Games.

All of it a wonderful set up for "It's all in the past. Cycling has moved on." for what seems like the 100th time.

You are making some vague allegations of "being on the inside" of pro cycling. Unless you are willing to make it clear what that role was, please don't do that. It doesn't help make a point any more valid.

And yes, Armstrong will be forgotten. "It's all in the past. Cycling has moved on." See how well that works?

 

[xcleigh]

Arrogant piece of sh*te. Just like LA in the good ole times.

You have watched or taken part in a bike race I presume? Never seen breakaways having a rather stern word between them, arms gesticulating etc.. I presume you think everyone is lovey dove up in those breakaways. Haussler thought his breakaway companions were w*nkers this past weekend and I'm pretty sure he would have let them know that at the time. However, please do carry on trying to construct Froome/Porte/Wiggins as the second coming of LA in order to paint them as more likely to dope due to their sheer nasty horrible arrogant characters. As we all know only nasty people dope