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hrotha said:
Benotti69 said:
Agreed, absolutely disgusting to bring that up and reeks of the sort of thing that LA and his team would use.
Also liked the 'he's not doing any wrong as I'd know about it' like Brailsford and his team are somehow above being complicit in such a thing.
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Can someone answer this: why dont they 'temper' their performances ? surely Sky know that these miraculous improvements are going to raise suspicions ...is Froome so stupid as to think he can get away with his miraculous form ? Rasmussen and Ricco looked as ridiculous and they were hung out to dry. Why didnt Yates tell Wiggins and Froome to calm it down in the ITT ?
So as a timeline (assuming the article is accurate)
2007 – Rasmussen affair
2009 – another positive backdated to 2007, Leinders leaves Rabobank
2010 – Sky have difficulties and look to recruit a new doctor, struggle and plump for Leinders
2012 (May) – Rabobank management make a statement that effectively implicates Leinders in doping.
2012 (June) – Brailsford talks openly prior to the Tour about Leinders. Leinders is contracted in 2012 to do 80 days freelance work for the team. He isn’t going to be at the TdF.
2012 (July) – Team Sky “We have had discussions with him [Leinders, following the Rabobank disclosure in May] and once we’ve established the facts, we will take the appropriate action.”
For me the questions are:
- If Leinders is contracted, would they have sufficient legal grounds to ditch him prior to the TdF? Would they have to pay him off?
- The “revelation” came out in May 2012, does that give Sky reasonable time to find a replacement prior to the TdF?
- Were there other Rabobank positives from 2007-2009 under Leinders tenure that would cast stronger suspicions on him prior to him being hired? Anything that would make Sky’s claims of wide eyed innocence when hiring Leinders less credible?
- If Rabobank management thought it was medical staff going rogue and being responsible for the Rasmussen debacle, why the hell did they retain Leinders’ services for two further years?
I can just about give Brailsford the benefit of the doubt if the heightened suspicions about Leinders only came out a month or two before the TdF.
Brailsford comes across as an open guy. But if after “reviewing the facts” he decides that instead of making a concerted effort to find medical staff with less suspicion around them he’ll just stick with Leinders, then he’s rapidly losing the right to continue to talk about “winning clean”. You’ve got to at least make an effort to walk the walk.
As I say though, Brailsford is open so if someone bothered to ask him some thoughtful questions about the progression of Chris Froome (compared to other Sky riders), Froome’s medical past and Wiggins’ power levels compared to his track and Garmin days, I think answers would be forthcoming - whether they'd be convincing is another matter. Sadly I can’t get anywhere near Manchester at the end of the race for his proposed Q&A session.
The article is also interesting as there is an admission almost that when Team Sky was born, they didn’t really know what they were doing in some areas. This could explain their and Wiggins’ struggles in 2010 followed by their improvement in 2011/12 as they find their feet in their new arena and tie that in to their previous successes. Or you could say if they were dumplings in 2010, how are they any good now.
2007 – Rasmussen affair
2009 – another positive backdated to 2007, Leinders leaves Rabobank
2010 – Sky have difficulties and look to recruit a new doctor, struggle and plump for Leinders
2012 (May) – Rabobank management make a statement that effectively implicates Leinders in doping.
2012 (June) – Brailsford talks openly prior to the Tour about Leinders. Leinders is contracted in 2012 to do 80 days freelance work for the team. He isn’t going to be at the TdF.
2012 (July) – Team Sky “We have had discussions with him [Leinders, following the Rabobank disclosure in May] and once we’ve established the facts, we will take the appropriate action.”
For me the questions are:
- If Leinders is contracted, would they have sufficient legal grounds to ditch him prior to the TdF? Would they have to pay him off?
- The “revelation” came out in May 2012, does that give Sky reasonable time to find a replacement prior to the TdF?
- Were there other Rabobank positives from 2007-2009 under Leinders tenure that would cast stronger suspicions on him prior to him being hired? Anything that would make Sky’s claims of wide eyed innocence when hiring Leinders less credible?
- If Rabobank management thought it was medical staff going rogue and being responsible for the Rasmussen debacle, why the hell did they retain Leinders’ services for two further years?
I can just about give Brailsford the benefit of the doubt if the heightened suspicions about Leinders only came out a month or two before the TdF.
Brailsford comes across as an open guy. But if after “reviewing the facts” he decides that instead of making a concerted effort to find medical staff with less suspicion around them he’ll just stick with Leinders, then he’s rapidly losing the right to continue to talk about “winning clean”. You’ve got to at least make an effort to walk the walk.
As I say though, Brailsford is open so if someone bothered to ask him some thoughtful questions about the progression of Chris Froome (compared to other Sky riders), Froome’s medical past and Wiggins’ power levels compared to his track and Garmin days, I think answers would be forthcoming - whether they'd be convincing is another matter. Sadly I can’t get anywhere near Manchester at the end of the race for his proposed Q&A session.
The article is also interesting as there is an admission almost that when Team Sky was born, they didn’t really know what they were doing in some areas. This could explain their and Wiggins’ struggles in 2010 followed by their improvement in 2011/12 as they find their feet in their new arena and tie that in to their previous successes. Or you could say if they were dumplings in 2010, how are they any good now.
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Kimmage disappointed in Wiggins and Team Sky over transparency
Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...Team-Sky-over-transparency.aspx#ixzz20JNwYMJS
Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...Team-Sky-over-transparency.aspx#ixzz20JNwYMJS
Another new piece on Leinders here
Quoting Leinders as “I was there, the product [EPO] was present. I can’t pretend as if that time didn’t occur.” Unfortunately the article doesn’t date Leinder’s quote or reference it. It also doesn't clarify if he is definitely saying he administered it (surely not) or if this is just a general remark about the predicament at Rabobank that happened under his nose (which would be less of a smoking gun).
Quoting Leinders as “I was there, the product [EPO] was present. I can’t pretend as if that time didn’t occur.” Unfortunately the article doesn’t date Leinder’s quote or reference it. It also doesn't clarify if he is definitely saying he administered it (surely not) or if this is just a general remark about the predicament at Rabobank that happened under his nose (which would be less of a smoking gun).
Don't forget Rob Hayles being thrown out of the '09 track worlds because of a HCT reading of over 50%. At the time Brailsford said he could tell he wasn't doping "because he looked him in the eye and could see he was telling the truth"
I never really heard why Brailsford was arrested along with David Millar in Biarritz in 2004 either.
I never really heard why Brailsford was arrested along with David Millar in Biarritz in 2004 either.
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Interview with Knaven about the success behind SKY (spoiler: more innovation; more marginal gains; more dedication; harder work)
Zam_Olyas said:No,this doesn't prove they are definitely doping, just another doubting thomas.
10char
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Maybe Leinders was in the same position as Max Testa at Motorola who stated “My job was to discourage them from taking things but at the same time leave the door open if they had a problem.”
When riders want to dope, they dope, with or without the help of the team doctor. For instance Thomas Dekker went to Cecchini, or was that just for training schedules?
When riders want to dope, they dope, with or without the help of the team doctor. For instance Thomas Dekker went to Cecchini, or was that just for training schedules?
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Cycling really just needs a likable Tof winner. Wiggins is not it. He looks unhealthy, and comes across as arrogant and brash in the media. His comments to the press on the comparison to USPostal was appalling....l. I'm sure Team Sky PR, cringed at his comments. If anything is for sure at team sky, their leader is an ***.
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
From what I have read in dutch articles, his job was to ensure riders didn't kill themselves, didn't test positive, and provide them with advice on how to accomplish both.
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Froome actually reminds me of Armstrong: never showed any promise or potential as a GT rider in the past years, then all of a sudden riding like the next Eddy Merckx....
What shocked me most was on Stage 7, Froome was the last guy to pull Wiggo and Evans up the steepest part of La Planche des Belles Filles, then he dropped BOTH Wiggo and Evans to win the uphill finish. I have never seen a domestique do that.
What shocked me most was on Stage 7, Froome was the last guy to pull Wiggo and Evans up the steepest part of La Planche des Belles Filles, then he dropped BOTH Wiggo and Evans to win the uphill finish. I have never seen a domestique do that.
TheEnoculator said:
Sky actually announced that Froome had been infected with a parasit that ****ed his health and performance for all of his life, so now that its gone this is how he legit would race at full speed
haha
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Dr.Sahl said:Sky actually announced that Froome had been infected with a parasit that ****ed his health and performance for all of his life, so now that its gone this is how he legit would race at full speed
Yeah, I heard about that. That's no different than saying that going through the cancer treatments raised his pain thresholds significantly.
Lame, just lame.
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Chris85 said:
He's a domestique to Wiggins in this Tour, yes. The whole Sky team was built around Wiggins from the beginning.
Just because you do very well in a GT doesn't mean you can't be a domestique in another GT.
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