Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Parrot23]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 11 Apr
Climbing at 2000 VAM @ChristianKnees #Tenerife pic.twitter.com/I3uENLTOAW

 

[the sceptic]

lol. Froome trolling the clinic?

 

[hiero2]

is everyone in agreement? a certain number of posters here in the clinic are convinced but it's not certain

again it's nothing to do with being british but about the ambitions of a sporting team / sponsor

i have doubts but continue to hope..............if indeed team sky are doping
may they be outed today

Mark L

Yeah - I've never noticed "everyone" being in agreement. I will agree that we have a vociferous group of people who are mighty unbelievers. And a certain coterie that are British as well - but I think that is just because "birds of a feather" and all. We also have a lot of ppl who aren't so convinced, but don't post as much. Too hard to fight the crowd, you know.

 

[hiero2]

Read The - Article, apparently.

which I had. (edited to conform to forum rules - H)

Posted as a mod:
Based on your reply about "robust", it was not at all clear you read the article. Para. 4, 2nd sentence.

I’m usually pretty robust but I had a virus and had to pull out of Paris-Nice and . . .

This is a friendly note - it doesn't look to me like DW regarded the "slip" comment as humor. And DW didn't need to respond with something that could be seen as using prohibited language. I could regard both posts as inflammatory and delete them with an infraction. I'm giving benefit of doubt, and hoping we can tone it down a bit.

 

[thehog]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 11 Apr
Climbing at 2000 VAM @ChristianKnees #Tenerife pic.twitter.com/I3uENLTOAW

New form of motor pacing. Just hang on the side of the car.

This guys is terrible. Even when not pedaling his left knee is kinked out to the side.

Is anyone going to do anything about his biomechanics?

Contador & A.Shleck must shake their heads.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

lol. Froome trolling the clinic?

Nah, just reminiscing about the 2010 Giro.

 

[martinvickers]

Posted as a mod:
Based on your reply about "robust", it was not at all clear you read the article. Para. 4, 2nd sentence.

This is a friendly note - it doesn't look to me like DW regarded the "slip" comment as humor. And DW didn't need to respond with something that could be seen as using prohibited language. I could regard both posts as inflammatory and delete them with an infraction. I'm giving benefit of doubt, and hoping we can tone it down a bit.

Fair enough. The slip comment is a pretty common idiom here for when someone hsd 'let the side down' . But DW has previous for erupting at challenge, and I have previous at agressively not backing down from his eruptions, hence my 'reply in kind'.

But point taken, I'll tone it down. I suppose my point is Skybots are rarely taken at their word by certain posters, and yet here, when jtl described himself as robust when there is verifiable evidence otherwise, suddenly its gospel, and we are supoosed to forget his career path bumps.

 

[Red Rick]

http://www.nusport.nl/column/3396929/wiggins-arsenal-en-alcohol.html

Wiggins officially was inolved in drugs buiseness at a young age, his dad smuggled meth in in young Bradley's diapers.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Nah, just reminiscing about the 2010 Giro.

Ouch! ..jimmy, what say you?

 

[Sethcapes]

Been reading this forum for a while now and learnt a great deal in the process.

Have to say, I'm definitely in the sky is doping camp after weighing up the arguments, but, certain people and their attitudes on this forum have made it almost unreadable. Well informed, informative posts are just clouded by the absolute drivel posted by (some) people. As an Aussie, I can quite clearly see an agenda of just dig the Brits at any opportunity which is exactly what they do. It's embarrassing, sad and unfortunately is the attitude of many of my countrymen on this forum and otherwise.

Well done to those of you who have contributed to a valid and important discussion. I just can't read this forum anymore.

 

[martinvickers]

Been reading this forum for a while now and learnt a great deal in the process.

Have to say, I'm definitely in the sky is doping camp after weighing up the arguments, but, certain people and their attitudes on this forum have made it almost unreadable. Well informed, informative posts are just clouded by the absolute drivel posted by people like the hog and dear wiggo. As an Aussie, I can quite clearly see an agenda of just dig the Brits at any opportunity which is exactly what they do. It's embarrassing, sad and unfortunately is the attitude of many of my countrymen on this forum and otherwise.

Well done to those of you who have contributed to a valid and important discussion. I just can't read this forum anymore.

That's maybe a bit unfair on Dear Wiggo. His biases are obvious enough, as is his temper, but he posts some pretty useful questions, his exchanges with acoggan, for example are useful in that they force acoggan and the like to clarify their posts, and I don't doubt his genuine anti-doping views. The forums probably a better place for his being in it.

thehog is just our house-troll, really. I wasn't aware he was even aussie. House-trolls are citizens of the world. Best accepted for humour value only, the mods rarely move against him, and when the 'humour value' wears off, put on the ignore list. There's little point getting wound up at him; it's basically what he wants and I don't think even his acolytes take him that seriously, whatever they might claim.

As the line goes - never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

The key thing to remember; the ignore list is your friend. Those who are completely either offensive or hopeless go on it. It makes life very much easier, and actual debate continues.

Plus spend some time on non-clinic threads. It helps a lot to get some sensible perspective.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.nusport.nl/column/3396929/wiggins-arsenal-en-alcohol.html

Wiggins officially was inolved in drugs buiseness at a young age, his dad smuggled meth in in young Bradley's diapers.

5/10 though the diaper story sounds funny also the Marc Cavendish thing

 

[JimmyFingers]

Been reading this forum for a while now and learnt a great deal in the process.

Have to say, I'm definitely in the sky is doping camp after weighing up the arguments, but, certain people and their attitudes on this forum have made it almost unreadable. Well informed, informative posts are just clouded by the absolute drivel posted by (some) people. As an Aussie, I can quite clearly see an agenda of just dig the Brits at any opportunity which is exactly what they do. It's embarrassing, sad and unfortunately is the attitude of many of my countrymen on this forum and otherwise.

Well done to those of you who have contributed to a valid and important discussion. I just can't read this forum anymore.

Good post. Shame you're not sticking about, the forum needs more reasoned debaters. And I'd echo Martin's sentiments on Dear Wiggo. At times he's like a dog with a bone, but his heart is in the right place.

 

[BroDeal]

Been reading this forum for a while now and learnt a great deal in the process.

Have to say, I'm definitely in the sky is doping camp after weighing up the arguments, but, certain people and their attitudes on this forum have made it almost unreadable. Well informed, informative posts are just clouded by the absolute drivel posted by people like the hog and dear wiggo. As an Aussie, I can quite clearly see an agenda of just dig the Brits at any opportunity which is exactly what they do. It's embarrassing, sad and unfortunately is the attitude of many of my countrymen on this forum and otherwise.

Well done to those of you who have contributed to a valid and important discussion. I just can't read this forum anymore.

Your past inciteful contributions will be missed.

 

[The Hitch]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 11 Apr
Climbing at 2000 VAM @ChristianKnees #Tenerife pic.twitter.com/I3uENLTOAW

That looks a lot like the white tower of bald mountain in the background.

I think we have been strangely fortunate. We see in the tweet a glimpse of the enemy's plan. Bailsford moves to strike on Bastille day. The defeat at Pais Vasco showed our enemy one thing. He knows the heir of Lucho Herrera has come forth. Other cyclists are not as weak as he supposed. There is courage still, strength, enough perhaps challenge him. Bailsford fears this. He will not risk the cyclists of the peloton uniting under one banner. He will raze Tenerife to the ground before he sees a king return to the throne of Men. If the VAM records of Ventoux are lit, The Clinic must be ready for war.

 

[lemoogle]

Been reading this forum for a while now and learnt a great deal in the process.

Have to say, I'm definitely in the sky is doping camp after weighing up the arguments, but, certain people and their attitudes on this forum have made it almost unreadable. Well informed, informative posts are just clouded by the absolute drivel posted by (some) people. As an Aussie, I can quite clearly see an agenda of just dig the Brits at any opportunity which is exactly what they do. It's embarrassing, sad and unfortunately is the attitude of many of my countrymen on this forum and otherwise.

Well done to those of you who have contributed to a valid and important discussion. I just can't read this forum anymore.

I have a memory of them making sense. I think they've given up hope at trying to be logical when faced with a barrage of the repeated rubbish that is froome's supposed climbing potential from a few years ago, warming down, working "harder", marginal gains, "they've lost a race how can they be doping" , the numbers aren't "inhuman" like amstrong and pantani etc.

I think it's probably sad that I cant name one major argument that the opposition has that makes sense to me. " You ain't got no pancake mix" just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[lemoogle]

That looks a lot like the white tower of bald mountain in the background.

I think we have been strangely fortunate. We see in the tweet a glimpse of the enemy's plan. Bailsford moves to strike on Bastille day. The defeat at Pais Vasco showed our enemy one thing. He knows the heir of Lucho Herrera has come forth. Other cyclists are not as weak as he supposed. There is courage still, strength, enough perhaps challenge him. Bailsford fears this. He will not risk the cyclists of the peloton uniting under one banner. He will raze Tenerife to the ground before he sees a king return to the throne of Men. If the VAM records of Ventoux are lit, The Clinic must be ready for war.

I enjoyed reading that

All joking aside, a Cycling doping drama would make such a good HBO show! so many angles to take.

 

[xcleigh]

I have a memory of them making sense. I think they've given up hope at trying to be logical when faced with a barrage of the repeated rubbish that is froome's supposed climbing potential from a few years ago, warming down, working "harder", marginal gains, "they've lost a race how can they be doping" , the numbers aren't "inhuman" like amstrong and pantani etc.

I think it's probably sad that I cant name one major argument that the opposition has that makes sense to me. " You ain't got no pancake mix" just doesn't cut it for me.

It's a shame that you do see 'them' as the 'opposition'. 'They' are simply people who have an opposing opinion or simply take a neutral position to others on whether Sky dope. Many simply haven't definitively decided one way or the other.
Even very pro-sky posters if they exist (skybots/fanbois etc..) I think would agree that they want the sport they enjoy to be clean. The fact they aren't vehemently calling Sky out as blatant dopers doesn't preclude them from wanting a clean sport. Being a Sky supporter doesn't automatically make one a supporter of doping.

I remain reasonably wary of sky but not enough to say absolutely they are doping (I wouldn't bet my house on it!). I would like SKY and all other teams to do far more than they currently are to at least give confidence to us fans that they are competing cleanly.

How nice would it be to see the performances we are seeing, achieved by clean cyclists and have confidence in proclaiming those performances as clean.

 

[hiero2]

<sigh> I'm told I was participating in a personal attack. Maybe I'll get this Dorothy Parker thing down pat in my next lifetime.

Keep on truckin' . . . .

 

[will10]

That looks a lot like the white tower of bald mountain in the background.

I think we have been strangely fortunate. We see in the tweet a glimpse of the enemy's plan. Bailsford moves to strike on Bastille day. The defeat at Pais Vasco showed our enemy one thing. He knows the heir of Lucho Herrera has come forth. Other cyclists are not as weak as he supposed. There is courage still, strength, enough perhaps challenge him. Bailsford fears this. He will not risk the cyclists of the peloton uniting under one banner. He will raze Tenerife to the ground before he sees a king return to the throne of Men. If the VAM records of Ventoux are lit, The Clinic must be ready for war.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that this is too long (500ch limit) to be my new signature

 

[Miburo]

I enjoyed reading that

All joking aside, a Cycling doping drama would make such a good HBO show! so many angles to take.

Joking? Seems to be a serious concern to me

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that this is too long (500ch limit) to be my new signature

Luckely cause You can't delete the one you have now, you just can't

 

[the sceptic]

I enjoyed reading that

All joking aside, a Cycling doping drama would make such a good HBO show! so many angles to take.

Id watch that. The wire, only with cycling!

 

[armchairclimber]

It's a shame that you do see 'them' as the 'opposition'. 'They' are simply people who have an opposing opinion or simply take a neutral position to others on whether Sky dope. Many simply haven't definitively decided one way or the other.
Even very pro-sky posters if they exist (skybots/fanbois etc..) I think would agree that they want the sport they enjoy to be clean. The fact they aren't vehemently calling Sky out as blatant dopers doesn't preclude them from wanting a clean sport. Being a Sky supporter doesn't automatically make one a supporter of doping.

I remain reasonably wary of sky but not enough to say absolutely they are doping (I wouldn't bet my house on it!). I would like SKY and all other teams to do far more than they currently are to at least give confidence to us fans that they are competing cleanly.

How nice would it be to see the performances we are seeing, achieved by clean cyclists and have confidence in proclaiming those performances as clean.

What he said.

 

[workingclasshero]

My mistake, it was from memory. I think Salazar actually did say 51-52 seconds...but the point is the same.
"Farah says he suffered in those final metres in South Korea because he had a "lack of confidence and a lack of understanding" about how to handle a sprint finish. "Now we are doing a lot more work with weights, trying to become more explosive." When he lost to Jeilan, Farah's final lap took 53 seconds. He says he will need to do it in "51 or 52 seconds" to win gold in London." Quote from BBC.

duck's sake, MY point is the same. To call it a "numbers game" or to think that the genius of Salazar is to understand that you have to have a quick last lap to win the Olympics is laughable. In short: Please stop posting nonsense like that!

 

[JimmyFingers]

It's a shame that you do see 'them' as the 'opposition'. 'They' are simply people who have an opposing opinion or simply take a neutral position to others on whether Sky dope. Many simply haven't definitively decided one way or the other.
Even very pro-sky posters if they exist (skybots/fanbois etc..) I think would agree that they want the sport they enjoy to be clean. The fact they aren't vehemently calling Sky out as blatant dopers doesn't preclude them from wanting a clean sport. Being a Sky supporter doesn't automatically make one a supporter of doping.

I remain reasonably wary of sky but not enough to say absolutely they are doping (I wouldn't bet my house on it!). I would like SKY and all other teams to do far more than they currently are to at least give confidence to us fans that they are competing cleanly.

How nice would it be to see the performances we are seeing, achieved by clean cyclists and have confidence in proclaiming those performances as clean.

Well said. This isn't a turf war, there are no winners and losers and I respect any opinion anyone holds. However I often find mine is mispresented and people will simply argue the toss because of that. Discussion is constructive, mockery and scorn aren't.

I think.