Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[ebandit]

facts

How can cricket be as bad as cycling? A very large % of its professionals are people who's first language is English.

or sticking to the facts it is a sport where skill is much more important
than strength / endurance so doping not quite as prevalent

Mark L

 

[LaFlorecita]

So, getting back on topic, Sky has started asking people to fill in an online survey.
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8633055,00.html

Towards the end of the survey there's a huge section asking what you think about Sky's stance towards doping and whether you believe Sky is really clean, and all that.

Sounds like a great opportunity for Clinic experts here to tell them what you really think!

Ok filling it in now, peeed myself at the question Which of the following words do you most associate with professional road cycling? one of the options - british Now they want me to write down all the cycling teams I am aware of after asking me about my car wtf

 

[Netserk]

Ok filling it in now, peeed myself at the question Which of the following words do you most associate with professional road cycling? one of the options - british Now they want me to write down all the cycling teams I am aware of after asking me about my car wtf

I wrote ~25 team names or so, since I didn't bother to type all of them (like some of the small continental teams...).

 

[Netserk]

or sticking to the facts it is a sport where skill is much more important
than strength / endurance so doping not quite as prevalent

Mark L

Is that a fact? That doping is less prevalent in cricket than cycling?

 

[Miburo]

Why the hell do they want to know how many cycling teams you know?

Is it to test your cycling knowledge? If so ask something that is a bit easier to look up online

Is there an option where you can ask questions? That line hitch has a signature for example, i would like that someone presents that to Wiggins.

Bring that in with Leinders

 

[LaFlorecita]

Which of the following words do you most associate with Team Sky?
Cheating, Complicated, Confusing, Corrupt - the 4 c's

Oh and british

 

[Netserk]

Which of the following words do you most associate with Team Sky?
Cheating, Complicated, Confusing, Corrupt - the 4 c's

Oh and british

I also tagged those

A shame I couldn't tag dull and boring

 

[Miburo]

Which of the following words do you most associate with Team Sky?
Cheating, Complicated, Confusing, Corrupt - the 4 c's

Oh and british

Not all, we've seen it before. It's pretty clear.

 

[armchairclimber]

Not all, we've seen it before. It's pretty clear.

What? A TTT? Brilliant.

 

[Netserk]

I think this one illustrates his point better:

 

[Cyivel]

Which of the following words do you most associate with Team Sky?
Cheating, Complicated, Confusing, Corrupt - the 4 c's

Oh and british

I think I used those four as well, hoping my musette is on it's way

 

[LaFlorecita]

I really enjoyed that

clicked "strongly disagree" a lot.

 

[LaFlorecita]

And no I don't want a goodiebag

there were some weird questions in there. Next - a survey about the survey

 

[will10]

Marginal gains don't extend to a spellchecker.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

2 velasco fangirls so set against sky because they think sky is doping is hilarious.

 

[Carols]

Coming soon to a podium near you!

http://www.cyclingfever.com/video.html?detp=view&video_idd=NjgxNA==

 

[Zam_Olyas]

My post was deleted?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I agree with all that. But just like EPO alone didn't explain the success of USPS/Discovery, this drug can't explain Sky's. Because if they use it, so must be others.

No, there was testosterone, HGH, blood transfusions, corticoids, and a few other things thrown in to help...

 

[richtea]

Marginal gains don't extend to a spellchecker.

This has to be the poorest survey design and execution I have ever seen. The sampling methodology will lead to so much self selection bias that the results will be fundamentally meaningless, and then on top of that they cant be bothered to do some basic quality checks on the script. How embarrassingly poor, should have paid a bit more to get the pros in instead of these Repucom chancers.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I also tagged those

A shame I couldn't tag dull and boring

Yea, where the hell was "boring" in there? "Exciting" and "entertaining" were included, but who the hell in their right mind would call Sky that? HTC fans?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This has to be the poorest survey design and execution I have ever seen. The sampling methodology will lead to so much self selection bias that the results will be fundamentally meaningless, and then on top of that they cant be bothered to do some basic quality checks on the script. How embarrassingly poor, should have paid a bit more to get the pros in instead of these Repucom chancers.

It was pretty poor with regards to the bias, yes. There was the straight up statement "Team Sky are anti-doping", then "how does that make you feel about Team Sky, good or bad?" with no actual ability to refer to how much you do or do not believe them. Basically, belief is assumed, and then you move on to another question where you can say whether you believe them or not.

Still, it will give them a chance to say they polled the audience and everybody loves Team Sky, so just keep doin' what you're doin' and we're all getting along swimmingly.

 

[Galic Ho]

Ok Clinic Sky haters, here's your chance to tell Sky what you really think:

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8633055,00.html

http://survey.repucom.info/wv3/EN/survey.htm

The last few lots of questions are about how clean you think Sky are and whether they're going about things the right way. Go on, tell them.

They ask what car I drive? Useless survey. They don't even have Holden which a sizable portion of Aussies drive. Don't even have parent company GM down. Great survery dude. Great survey!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

They ask what car I drive? Useless survey. They don't even have Holden which a sizable portion of Aussies drive. Don't even have parent company GM down. Great survery dude. Great survey!

I think you have to translate it to Vauxhall You need to watch more UK TopGear

ETA: I stopped at that question. Completely irrelevant. Sounds like the rest of the survey was too.

Did they ask what brand of bike you ride? Would seem more pertinent.

 

[richtea]

It was pretty poor with regards to the bias, yes. There was the straight up statement "Team Sky are anti-doping", then "how does that make you feel about Team Sky, good or bad?" with no actual ability to refer to how much you do or do not believe them. Basically, belief is assumed, and then you move on to another question where you can say whether you believe them or not.

Still, it will give them a chance to say they polled the audience and everybody loves Team Sky, so just keep doin' what you're doin' and we're all getting along swimmingly.

I strongly doubt that they will be able to say that: the only people that will bother completing it will be those with strongly positive or negative views. They will be spending a decent chunk of money on this, and it's always a shame to see people just chuck cash down the drain!

 

[Galic Ho]

I think you have to translate it to Vauxhall You need to watch more UK TopGear

ETA: I stopped at that question. Completely irrelevant. Sounds like the rest of the survey was too.

Did they ask what brand of bike you ride? Would seem more pertinent.

No they asked for brand association. Wanted to know what names you'd heard of in a display box where you typed your answer. Then they gave some list boxes (you check them off) and asked whether you knew the brands, then asked whether you thought they sponsored Sky. Then they asked to what degree did you associate that brand with Sky (emphasis was on either you only knew from Sky, before Sky or you did not know). Then they proceeded to dumb it down and say "hey, only like 5 of the two dozen brands we listed are actually sponsors" despite me having the Sky sponsor list OPEN ON THEIR WEBSITE and almost all the names there.

Absolutely rubbish survey. I stopped at that point. There was a bit before where they asked you whether you'd bought a bike within the last 5 years (asked for each year incrementally) and how much you spent on that. Also they ran a word association with the survey before the brand recognition. Asked what words you associate with cycling and then did the same for Sky. Corrupt, cheating, British and High Tech were the only ones appropriate. The clowns had also put 'honesty' and 'integrity' there. Go figure right...must have been the punch line of a really, really bad joke.

edit: I note this last bit is being joked about above. The word association was horrible as for the reasons Libertine touched on. "Entertaining' and 'interesting' are not words I associate with teams copying USPS down to the letter.