Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Ripper]

This thread has become hilarious

Loved the "looking at the power meter going downhill in the rain" and "jamming devices". Brilliant. You couldn't make it up. No, really, you couldn't.

The thread is only the route, it is the subject matter (SKY) that's hilarious.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Sky could be the answer to first worlds problem. I believe in them.

 

[gooner]

Sky could be the answer to first worlds problem. I believe in them.

Ivan should join them.

Robo Basso will be rejuvenated.

 

[Ferminal]

ET leading out his mutation would be awesome.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ivan should join them.

Robo Basso will be rejuvenated.

He doesn't need them to dope. He was doping before sky was born. Try again?

 

[gooner]

He doesn't need them to dope. He was doping before sky was born. Try again?

I wasn't slagging off Basso. I was just joking.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No Giro coverage here, but this seemed interesting:

#Giro, Stage 14. 6 km to go. Breakaway (3 riders): Colbrelli, Paolini, Pietropolli. Peloton: +4:00.

#Giro, Stage 14. 3.4 km to go. Breakaway (3 riders): Colbrelli, Paolini, Pietropolli. Chasers: Henao, Rosa: +3:00. Maglia Rosa group +3:20.

Henao's just ridden off the front of the bunch?

 

[gooner]

No Giro coverage here, but this seemed interesting:





Henao's just ridden off the front of the bunch?

And how's that a shock?

 

[Nicko.]

I absolutely love the idea of Sky being completely thrown off by jamming their power meters, after what Porte said. Please, someone make it happen.

From a pure technical standpoint, making a device that
1. Receives and identifies the Ant+ signal packages from a specific SRM power meter
2. Transmits bogus data in parallel with and indistinguishable from said SRM

is not that hard to do. Not in the context of €10M+ team budgets.

IMO, compared to the doping culture and practises, jamming competitors pace-gages would compare to having your bike underweight. I.e a couple of nothes below on the cheat scale.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

And how's that a shock?

I agree. WHy is that shocking? people can attack the peloton and fail.

 

[21switchbacks]

I agree. WHy is that shocking? people can attack the peloton and fail.

Or, as Magnus Bäckstedt says, "he went out and dropped himself".

Anybody ever seen a monkey hump a coconut and beat a dead horse, all while jumping a shark?

 

[thehog]

From a pure technical standpoint, making a device that
1. Receives and identifies the Ant+ signal packages from a specific SRM power meter
2. Transmits bogus data in parallel with and indistinguishable from said SRM

is not that hard to do. Not in the context of €10M+ team budgets.

IMO, compared to the doping culture and practises, jamming competitors pace-gages would compare to having your bike underweight. I.e a couple of nothes below on the cheat scale.

Yes you just need a Tour standard rider to follow the Sky riders to jam the signal. Ant+ works at a maximum of 1 meter.

Ya think someone is going to get that close?

Or you think that someone with Nibali's class and race skills gives a ***?

 

[Tinman]

IMO, compared to the doping culture and practises, jamming competitors pace-gages would compare to having your bike underweight. I.e a couple of nothes below on the cheat scale.

I wouldn't think there is anything in the rules preventing electronic jamming devices. In the cold war of marginal gains this seems a legit competitive move. It's certainly not unduly performance enhancing oneself.

 

[Tinman]

Yes you just need a Tour standard rider to follow the Sky riders to jam the signal. Ant+ works at a maximum of 1 meter.

Ya think someone is going to get that close?

"Motoman makes his return" perhaps as a disguised camera crew?

 

[thehog]

"Motoman makes his return" perhaps as a disguised camera crew?

It could be.

The only thing jamming Wiggins SRM was his legs.

 

[Nicko.]

Yes you just need a Tour standard rider to follow the Sky riders to jam the signal. Ant+ works at a maximum of 1 meter.

Ya think someone is going to get that close?

Or you think that someone with Nibali's class and race skills gives a ***?

Ya think they would strip down a standard SRM head unit to scavenge the standard Ant antenna and transplant it to their jamming device/weapon?

Electromagnetic waves have infinite range. Let that sink in before you respond.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No Giro coverage here, but this seemed interesting:
Henao's just ridden off the front of the bunch?

And how's that a shock?

I agree. WHy is that shocking? people can attack the peloton and fail.

@43' 6km to go, peloton @4'
@30' 1.8km to go, Henao @ 3', Maglia Rosa @ 3'20"

That single time gap difference seemed large. Clearly it didn't stick, and like I said, I don't have vision of the race so can't see what's happened prior and how the rest are riding in response to the attack.

The time gap difference seemed large to me, that's all. Maglia Rosa group had made up 40" to the break over ~13' of riding, but Henao had made up a minute - ie 50% more.

 

[The Hitch]

No Giro coverage here, but this seemed interesting:





Henao's just ridden off the front of the bunch?

Your point being

 

[thehog]

Ya think they would strip down a standard SRM head unit to scavenge the standard Ant antenna and transplant it to their jamming device/weapon?

Electromagnetic waves have infinite range. Let that sink in before you respond.

Appears your BS has infinite range.

Any other conspiracy theories to entertain us?

Like Nibali causing the weather for Wiggins to get sick?

Lol!

 

[Nicko.]

Appears your BS has infinite range.

Any other conspiracy theories to entertain us?

Like Nibali causing the weather for Wiggins to get sick?

Lol!

Look, I never said anything about whether Astana or anyone else where jamming Wiggins SRM, I just said that it can be done, fairly easily from a lot longer distance than the power meter components operate at.
If you laugh at the jamming conspiracy theory for technical reasons, the laugh is on you. Technically.

 

[thehog]

Look, I never said anything about whether Astana or anyone else where jamming Wiggins SRM, I just said that it can be done, fairly easily from a lot longer distance than the power meter components operate at.
If you laugh at the jamming conspiracy theory for technical reasons, the laugh is on you. Technically.

Thanks champ.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Ya think they would strip down a standard SRM head unit to scavenge the standard Ant antenna and transplant it to their jamming device/weapon?

Your expertise in near-field communication is, uhhhh, well.... Better go back to school for that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I wouldn't think there is anything in the rules preventing electronic jamming devices. In the cold war of marginal gains this seems a legit competitive move. It's certainly not unduly performance enhancing oneself.

Not legit.

It would be the most complicated, most difficult effort to theoretically disrupt a grand tour podium contender off his game.

Bribing Hein is so much less work, less money, for real returns.

 

[Tinman]

Not legit.

Show me the rulebook on this.

It would be the most complicated, most difficult effort to theoretically disrupt a grand tour podium contender off his game.

Compared to the complications of setting up doping regimes this one is as easy as can be.

Bribing Hein is so much less work, less money, for real returns.

There you do have a point. But it involves a "dependency" you may not need at this stage. And a much bigger expense.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Compared to the complications of setting up doping regimes this one is as easy as can be.

I think you don't really understand the enormous complexity and effort of making the first electronic device, be it this fictional miniature(!) near field communication device or tablet.

It wouldn't even work in a movie. "Muuuaahhahahah I've got you now robo-basso! Stare into the power meter! Stare into the power meter and be confused!!! The GC leadership is mine!! "

The "not legit" comment was more about the whole fatally flawed concept. If you really want to go down this road, send me a PM with questions and comments. I was in that industry at one time.